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Author Topic: Fr. Arnaud: An injustice to accuse the Society of betraying +ABL.  (Read 3595 times)

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Re: Fr. Arnaud: An injustice to accuse the Society of betraying +ABL.
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 03:08:33 PM »
I’ve only read the first opening sentences but had to stop to call...BULL SHIT!

Anyone who has been around for the past 15-20 years knows the SSPX has TOTALLY changed.  Even my 13, 14 and 16 year olds say...”It isn’t like it use to be”.
Accepting that it has changed, could it have changed BECAUSE the resistance people left?
Whenever a group departs from another group both groups change.  The SSPX you knew 15-20 years ago INCLUDED today's members of the resistance.
When the SSPX was formed it must have had an effect on the mainstream church of draining it of many of the most devout and serious Catholics.  If all the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and modernists (or even a large part of them) were to leave the Conciliar Church would what remained not be much better, more conservative and more devout?


Re: Fr. Arnaud: An injustice to accuse the Society of betraying +ABL.
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 12:01:19 AM »
TT, the SSPX changed because Menzingen changed direction, before any Resistance faithful left, and certainly not because they left. That is an historical fact.
What Menzingen and the SSPX always rejected - a purely practical agreement with modernist Rome-which they said would cause our death, would lead us to lose the Faith, would be ѕυιcιdє -  this they now officially pursue, as is evidenced by the 2012 General Chapter resolutions and the subsequent rapprochement with the modernists eg the Huonder scandal.
Any change resulting from good Catholics leaving on account of the danger to the Faith is accidental.
As Archbishop Lefebvre said, it is the superiors that make the subjects and not the other way around. Any idea that good Catholics should stay in such a system as the Conciliar Church or the SSPX to make it more Catholic is a complete illusion. Stay in and speak out against the dangers to the Faith and see how long you last! Keep repeating the words formerly spoken by the SSPX bishops and superiors that a purely practical agreement with modernist Rome would be a disaster and would mean our death and see how welcome you are!!!

Re: Fr. Arnaud: An injustice to accuse the Society of betraying +ABL.
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2019, 12:43:42 AM »
Are they pursuing it now?

It seems unlikely to me that the current leaders of the SSPX are pursuing a deal with the current apostate in charge of the pagan activity at the Vatican.

What is the current staus of the deal or deal making?

Re: Fr. Arnaud: An injustice to accuse the Society of betraying +ABL.
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2019, 10:09:33 AM »
Are they pursuing it now?

It seems unlikely to me that the current leaders of the SSPX are pursuing a deal with the current apostate in charge of the pagan activity at the Vatican.

What is the current staus of the deal or deal making?
It appears so: http://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2019/10/huge-news-in-france.html?m=1
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/unverified-report-from-france-benedictines-of-bellaigue/
Huge news in France

(tradcatresist)
 The Benedictines of Bellaigue, no more than the Capuchins, are known to be resistant to the new policies of the SSPX. The Superior, Dom Placide, was recently called in and told in no uncertain terms to resign or face the consequences. Dom Placide told the Society that they must do what they must and refused their offer.
 
 

Bishop Williamson talks about this here (starts around 17 mins)
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 The response by the SSPX was to instruct all superiors to no longer send any seminarian's to Bellaigue and to remove the Monastery from the SSPX website's.
 
 Of course there are two interesting things here. Firstly, will Bellaigue follow in the footsteps of the Dominicans and support the Resistant Bishops? Particularly as one of them is a fellow Benedictine (Bp Thomas Aquinas) Secondly it somewhat makes a mockery of the recent interview by Fr Pagliarani as it makes apparent his continuity with the policies of Bishop Fellay.
 
 One hopes that the Benedictines choose to put their support behind the Resistant Bishops and that the SSPX's decision to demonize them to their own laity has the same lack of effect that it did when they did the same to the Disciples of the Cenacle at Velletri under Don Curzio who continue to receive vocations from SSPX families in spite of being under a Resistant priest.
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