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Offline Augustinus21

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Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
« on: August 09, 2019, 11:33:23 AM »
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  • Fr. Albert O.P was recently asked whether one could attend a “reverent” N.O Mass. here’s his response

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #1 on: August 09, 2019, 02:00:53 PM »
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  • Okay, let's ask Father Albert some more questions ?  :-\



    1. Why did you hang-out at Silver City & SSPX chapels for years and then go AWOL from your Dominican order?

    2. Why did you assist in hijacking novices from the Dominicans of Avrille'?

    3. Why did the SSPX's illicit, fake order of Dominicans in Steffeshausen fail?

    4. What are you doing suddenly at the Fatima Center?

    5. Do you receive an income from the SSPX?

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #2 on: August 09, 2019, 02:08:47 PM »
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  • Okay, let's ask Father Albert some more questions ?  :-\



    1. Why did you hang-out at Silver City & SSPX chapels for years and then go AWOL from your Dominican order?

    2. Why did you assist in hijacking novices from the Dominicans of Avrille'?

    3. Why did the SSPX's illicit, fake order of Dominicans in Steffeshausen fail?

    4. What are you doing suddenly at the Fatima Center?

    5. Do you receive an income from the SSPX?
    None of that has anything to do with the topic. The founder of the Avrille Dominicans was ordained by ABL, so it’s not like the SSPX didn’t start their group as well.

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #3 on: August 09, 2019, 04:56:44 PM »
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  • It has everything to do with the topic.

    Fr. Albert is an AWOL Dominican of Avrille' who had no authority especially from the SSPX, to head a new offshoot Dominican order.

    Is he now a freelance vagus?  Who is he incardinated to and why?

    You're trying to sell him to us.

    We every right to know what his business is now.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #4 on: August 09, 2019, 05:09:03 PM »
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  • It has everything to do with the topic.

    Fr. Albert is an AWOL Dominican of Avrille' who had no authority especially from the SSPX, to head a new offshoot Dominican order.

    Is he now a freelance vagus?  Who is he incardinated to and why?

    You're trying to sell him to us.

    We every right to know what his business is now.
    I know him personally. He’s with the Society. Again, the SSPX started Avrille so if Avrille is legitimate, then any other group the Society starts is legitimate


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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #5 on: August 09, 2019, 06:55:51 PM »
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  • I know him personally. He’s with the Society. Again, the SSPX started Avrille so if Avrille is legitimate, then any other group the Society starts is legitimate

    In which case, you would agree that if Avrille poached 5-6 priests from the SSPX, created a new congregation for them, and had them report to Avrille, that would be just fine?
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #6 on: August 09, 2019, 07:15:55 PM »
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  • I know him personally. He’s with the Society. Again, the SSPX started Avrille so if Avrille is legitimate, then any other group the Society starts is legitimate


    If Fr. Albert is now SSPX, shouldn't he identify himself so?
    He's still wearing his Old Dominican habit.

    He's obviously doing 3rd party propaganda work for Menzingen.

    And under what authority does the SSPX make new branches of religious orders? 

    Pope Francis?   :facepalm:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2019, 06:31:05 AM »
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  • http://www.dominicansavrille.us/tag/fr-albert/

    Response to an article on the SSPX-USA website
    An article called “A New Dominican Community” was published on October 24, 2014 on the SSPX USA web site1.  Here are the principle passages with some added commentary.

    It is interesting to note that on 24 October, the same day this article appeared, two Dominican Fathers from Avrillé arrived in the United States for a 15 day stay to visit the Dominican Tertiaries attached to the Avrillé friary. Two days later on 26 October, the SSPX District Superior of the United States. Fr. Wegner, sent a letter to all his priests and to all the Avrillé Tertiaries living in the United States, warning them against the Avrillé friary and asking the Avrillé Tertiaries to join the Steffeshausen Third Order.

    In his turn, on 31 October, Fr. Albert sent a letter to the Avrillé Tertiaries living in the United States, warning them against the Avrillé friary and asking the same Tertiaries to join his Third Order.
    The Avrillé Dominican Fathers

    Start of the article appearing on the SSPX-USA web site:
    A New Dominican Community

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    “Find out about a new traditional religious community, the Dominican Friars of Steffeshausen, Belgium, and see how you can help them… or even join the Third Order of St. Dominic.
    A video has just been posted about a new foundation of traditional Dominican friars in Belgium and the Third Order that they are offering to the faithful.
    This new community of traditional Dominican friars was founded on November 15, 2013 in Steffeshausen, a little village in the southeast corner of Belgium. They were invited there by the villagers after the death of their parish priest, who had kept the traditional Mass and was persecuted by his bishop some 25 years ago.
    They offered the church and rectory built by this priest to these friars as a first home for their fledgling community.”
    Our Commentary: The Steffeshausen house was not offered to these four priests, but to the Avrillé Dominicans.  Here are the facts:
    On 26 January 2013, during a meeting in Suresnes, in the presence of Fr. de Cacqueray [then District Superior of France], Bishop Fellay asked the Avrillé Dominicans to bring together five “vagus” Dominicans (all perpetually professed to the Avrillé friary) in a house which would be under the jurisdiction of Avrillé. That day, Bishop Fellay promised to support that foundation with his authority and to tell the religious who would refuse to submit that they must remove the habit or they would no longer be recognized as Dominicans by the Society of St. Pius X.

    The Avrillé Dominicans accepted this decision. A committee of lay people who were taking care of the house of Steffeshausen contacted the Avrillé Dominicans early February 2013 offering to hand over this house, so the fathers proposed to Bishop Fellay that the foundation be made there. The bishop accepted, and contacted the five religious to offer to install them in this house.
    However, in June 2013, Bishop de Galarreta told Avrillé that it was he who would take this foundation under his authority. When the fathers told him that Bishop Fellay had promised that the foundation would be instituted under the authority of Avrillé, Bishop de Galarreta answered, “Bishop Fellay considers himself to be relieved of his promise.” He declined to comment further and referred to Bishop Fellay. Father Prior of Avrillé then wrote three letters to Bishop Fellay on 14 July, 26 July and 11 August 2013 (the last of which was personally delivered by Fr. de Cacqueray) asking for explanations— he has never received a response.

    The SSPX article continues:
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    “Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, who assists those religious communities affiliated with the SSPX, accepted to help the foundation as its ecclesiastical superior. You can help the Dominicans by making a donation . . . On their behalf, thank you very much for your support!”
    (End of the text from the web site of the SSPX-USA.)


    Our Commentary: The Dominican Order, which is an exempt Order, has never been put under the jurisdiction of a bishop.

    What’s more, being a bishop without jurisdiction, Bishop de Galaretta’s action of removing the five religious from their legitimate superior, without that superior’s agreement, is an illegitimate act and indicates a schismatic mentality by attributing to the bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre a jurisdiction they do not have and which Archbishop Lefebvre never wanted to give to them because he himself did not have it, as he so often said.

    In the video presented with this article, Fr. Albert recounts his history and very rapidly skims over the 19 years of his life that he spent with “some traditional Dominicans in France,” omitting to say that he was a part of the Avrillé community, that he studied there, that he received all his ecclesiastical orders from as a member of this community and that he made a vow of perpetual obedience between the hands of the prior of Avrillé. He also forgets to tell that he was sent to the United States in 2006 by his superiors in Avrillé, on the recommendation of Bishop Fellay, and that afterwards he refused to return to the Avrillé friary where his superiors still wait for him. He also keeps quiet about the situation of the four other religious, all perpetually professed to Avrillé, of whom three left the friary in the middle of the night of 11-12 April 2011 with the complicity of the German SSPX District Superior, Fr. Franz Schmidberger. There are many lapses of memory and much silence in the telling of this tale.

    This foundation, made on dishonesty and disobedience, is a violation of religious law.
    But above all, in the current context, it is a maneuver by Menzingen to weaken the Avrillé community and to have a nice, happy community of Menzingen Dominicans, who neither bark nor bite.

    1http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/new-dominican-community-5298.
    2http://sspx.org/en/media/video/new-dominican-community-third-order-5297.


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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2019, 07:52:02 AM »
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  • A Dominican without bark or bite is no Dominican at all.  :)



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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #9 on: August 10, 2019, 08:46:03 AM »
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  • Fr. Albert O.P was recently asked whether one could attend a “reverent” N.O Mass. here’s his response


    There are a few things that I would agree with in the video. He's right about the Mass being a sacrifice, which the New Mass doesn't convey. It seems that Fr. Albert does not intend to thoroughly explain the problems with the New Mass, but rather he touches on several the reasons why it's a problem. However, it would have been helpful for him to further explain why it's a big problem that the New Mass is considered to be a "meal." My understanding is that only the priest is required to receive the Body and Precious Blood of Our Lord during Mass. This is required for the Mass to be valid. No one else is required to receive, and that's the main reason why it cannot be considered to be a communal meal. The laity are not required to receive, but of course they can receive if they are in a state of grace with no impediments.

    I also have to wonder what Fr. Albert's views are in relation to the SSPX reconciliation with Rome. Is he fine with the current SSPX trajectory towards a reconciliation with Rome?

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #10 on: August 10, 2019, 09:09:41 AM »
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  • There are a few things that I would agree with in the video. He's right about the Mass being a sacrifice, which the New Mass doesn't convey. It seems that Fr. Albert does not intend to thoroughly explain the problems with the New Mass, but rather he touches on several the reasons why it's a problem. However, it would have been helpful for him to further explain why it's a big problem that the New Mass is considered to be a "meal." My understanding is that only the priest is required to receive the Body and Precious Blood of Our Lord during Mass. This is required for the Mass to be valid. No one else is required to receive, and that's the main reason why it cannot be considered to be a communal meal. The laity are not required to receive, but of course they can receive if they are in a state of grace with no impediments.

    I also have to wonder what Fr. Albert's views are in relation to the SSPX reconciliation with Rome. Is he fine with the current SSPX trajectory towards a reconciliation with Rome?
    Here’s your answer

    He believes doctrinal questions must be resolved before any agreement is made. Similar to Fr. Gleize


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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #11 on: August 10, 2019, 09:11:17 AM »
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  • A Dominican without bark or bite is no Dominican at all.  :)
    Wellrom his videos it’s clear Fr. Albert doesn’t fall under that label. He’s calm but straightforward 

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #12 on: August 10, 2019, 09:11:29 AM »
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  • Here’s your answer

    He believes doctrinal questions must be resolved before any agreement is made. Similar to Fr. Gleize

    Lip service to doctrine:

    The SSPX is already 95% "regularized," and there is no conversion of Rome.

    The SSPX has accepted doctrinal pluralism, and Fr. Albert is rolling along with them right into it.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Fr. Albert O.P speaks truth on the New Mass
    « Reply #13 on: August 10, 2019, 09:13:22 AM »
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  • In which case, you would agree that if Avrille poached 5-6 priests from the SSPX, created a new congregation for them, and had them report to Avrille, that would be just fine?
    If priests from the SSPX decided to leave and join Avrille, I might not agree with their decision but I certainly wouldn’t call it illicit 

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    « Reply #14 on: August 10, 2019, 09:16:29 AM »
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  • If priests from the SSPX decided to leave and join Avrille, I might not agree with their decision but I certainly wouldn’t call it illicit

    Archbishop Lefebvre would:

    He refused to claim jurisdiction over the religious communities, saying he had no authority to do so.

    +Fellay, +de Galarreta, and Fr. Schmidberger (who all used to agree with that position), no longer believe this, because they want to trap/extort the allied (or once-allied) religious communities into their ralliement to unconverted Rome:

    Just one more betrayal of the Founder's principles.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

     

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