Author Topic: FORTIETH ANNIVERSARY (Read 10283 times)

untitled · « **Reply #30 on:** November 25, 2014, 06:26:54 PM »

Some attacks of Jaime Flores (Adolphus / Iacobus) against Bp. Williamson on the site "Radio Cristiandad". He helps the enemies of Bp. Williamson: Fr. Ceriani Arioni, Fr. Meramo Chaljub, Fr. Turco, Fr. Grosso, etc. They are sedevacantists.

JAIME FLORES: MONS. WILLIAMSON: HISTORIA INTERNA… HISTORIA EXTRAÑA
HISTORIA EXTRAÑA Monseñor Williamson nos ha regalado una historia extraña en sus Comentarios Eleison números 379 a 383, historia que él mismo ha intitulado “Historia interna“. Su relato principia refiriéndonos las dos peticiones que hiciera Nuestra Señora, la Santísima Virgen María, en Fátima, en el año de 1917: 1º) que Rusia fuera consagrada a Su … Sigue leyendo →

Publicado en Falsa Resistencia, Falsa restauración, Jaime Flores, Mons Williamson
Miércoles 12 noviembre 2014
JAIME FLORES: REFLEXIONES SOBRE EL ELEISON 382
REFLEXIONES SOBRE EL ELEISON 382 El Comentario Eleison Nº 382, que contiene la cuarta parte de la llamada “historia interna”, llegó tarde. En vez de ser publicado el viernes o el sábado, como se hace regularmente, no se hizo público hasta el día lunes. Esto no deja de llamar la atención, toda vez que los … Sigue leyendo →

Publicado en actualidad, Falsa Resistencia, Jaime Flores, Mons Williamson
Domingo 28 octubre 2012
CARTA DE LECTORES: JAIME FLORES: COMENTANDO EL ELEISON 276
Comentando el “Comentario Eleison” Su Excelencia, Mons. Williamson trata de su expulsión de la FSSPX en su Comentario Eleison CCLXXVI. En él dice: «Es una decisión crucial por parte de los líderes de la FSPX, no por ninguna razón personal, sino por la remoción de lo que mucha gente consideró ser el más grande obstáculo … Sigue leyendo →

Publicado en actualidad, Antiacuerdismo, Carta de lectores
Sábado 1 noviembre 2014
JAIME A FLORES: MONSEÑOR WILLIAMSONTRAS LAS HUELLAS DE MONSEÑOR FELLAY
MONSEÑOR WILLIAMSON TRAS LAS HUELLAS DE MONSEÑOR FELLAY En sus Comentarios Eleison 379 y 380, el obispo inglés ha imitado a quien fuera su Superior General hasta hace pocos años, al afirmar que la primera cruzada de rosarios que emprendió la FSSPX en 2006 fue un éxito, que fue la causa del “cuмplimiento por parte … Sigue leyendo →

Publicado en Colaboradores, Falsa Resistencia, Mons Williamson, Mons. Fellay

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JAIME FLORES: MONS. WILLIAMSON: INTERNAL HISTORY ... STRANGE HISTORY
STRANGE HISTORY Williamson gave us a strange story in his Commentaries Eleison numbers 379-383, history that he has entitled "internal history". His story begins referring the two requests to make Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima in the year 1917: 1) that Russia be consecrated to His ... Continue reading →

Posted in False Resistance False restoration, Jaime Flores, Bishop Williamson
Wednesday November 12, 2014
JAIME FLORES: REFLECTIONS ON ELEISON 382
REFLECTIONS ON ELEISON 382 Eleison Review No. 382, which contains a quarter of the "inside story" came later. Instead of being released on Friday or Saturday, as is done regularly, was not made public until Monday. This continues to draw attention, since the ... Continue reading →

Posted in news, False Resistance, Jaime Flores, Bishop Williamson
Sunday October 28, 2012
LETTER TO THE EDITOR: JAIME FLORES: COMMENTING THE ELEISON 276
Commenting on the "Comment Eleison" His Excellency Mons. Williamson is expulsion from the SSPX in his Commentary Eleison CCLXXVI. It says: "It is a crucial decision by the leaders of the SSPX, not for any personal reason, but by the removal of what many people consider to be the greatest obstacle ... Continue reading →

Posted in news, Antiacuerdismo, Letter of readers
Saturday November 1, 2014
A JAIME FLORES: BISHOP WILLIAMSON THE FOOTSTEPS OF BISHOP FELLAY
BISHOP WILLIAMSON THE FOOTSTEPS OF BISHOP FELLAY In his comments Eleison 379 and 380, the English bishop has imitated his former Superior General until recently, saying that the first rosary crusade undertaken by the SSPX in 2006 was a success, which was the cause of "compliance ... Continue reading →

Posted in Contributors, False Resistance Williamson Mons, Mons. Fellay

Centroamerica · « **Reply #31 on:** November 25, 2014, 07:47:57 PM »

It's interesting that so many people who are completely opposed to the resistance and Bishop Williamson come here hiding behind a false identity for the purposes of pushing their agendas. It's like a hornet's nest of anti-resitance, anti-Bishop Williamson people.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #32 on:** November 25, 2014, 08:46:20 PM »

It's just about like I'd figured, having learned most of the above from another source. Untitled pretty well confirms all we suspected. Look, Adolphus, alias, Iacobus, alias Jaime, I don't care a fig who you follow. If Frs. Ceriani and Meramo row your boat, that's perfectly OK with me. But why do you waste so much time driving about in ultra-rigorist overdrive? You nit and you pick. You attempt to lead me and others into a miasmic swamp of distracting minutia. If you and the other inhabitants of that obscure, mist-shrouded place wish to do so, be my guest. But don't ask me to wade about in it with you. Look, Jaime, Frs. Ceriani and Meramo may be fine priests, but IMO they have taken themselves out of the game. No one cares about them, least of all the pope and his curia. As far as the Roman apparatus is concerned, you sedes do not even amount to pesky flies whom Roman officials occasionally have to swat. Your people go virtually unnoticed and unremarked upon by virtually anyone of importance in the Ecclesial scheme of things. So why should I pay any attention to you?
On the other hand, Bp Williamson is a properly and validly ordained priest of God. He is a validly appointed bishop of the Church, consecrated by an archbishop whose name is etched on a wall in St. Peter's. Who is your bishop, or who are your bishops? I don't know their names. Let me pull you away for a minute from your unhealthy preoccupation with Bp. Williamson. Tell us something about your own bishop(s), and about the trust you repose in them.

Adolphus · « **Reply #33 on:** November 25, 2014, 09:00:21 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

I don't care a fig who you follow.

If you don't, why do you keep asking?

Quote from: hollingsworth

Frs. Ceriani and Meramo may be fine priests, but IMO they have taken themselves out of the game.

I thought you had said you didn't care…

Quote from: hollingsworth

Who is your bishop, or who are your bishops?

I thought you had said you didn't care…

Quote from: hollingsworth

Tell us something about your own bishop(s), and about the trust you repose in them.

I thought you had said you didn't care…

If you don't care, why do you ask?

If you don't care, why should I answer?

Ferdinand · « **Reply #34 on:** November 26, 2014, 10:05:45 AM »

Do Frs. Ceriani and Meramo ever do a circuit in the USA or Canada?

untitled · « **Reply #35 on:** November 26, 2014, 11:16:47 AM »

Quote from: Ferdinand

Do Frs. Ceriani and Meramo ever do a circuit in the USA or Canada?

They say to do that is useless (establishment of centers of mass, etc.). It is to expect a restoration. That is illusion. There will be no triumph of the Immaculate Heart before the Parousia. There will be no restoration before the Parousia. (!!!)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #36 on:** November 26, 2014, 11:59:24 AM »

Just to extend the metaphor, there are two minds inside of Francis, a Catholic mind and a Conciliar (non-Catholic) mind ... both co-existing in the same body. By virtue of the Catholic identity, he remains Pope, but when the Conciliar part is acting, he is not to be obeyed. Francis has Multiple Personality Disorder.

Of course, a slightly less bizarre way to say this would be to say that Francis is pope materially but not formally, but the +Williamson won't go there.

2Vermont · « **Reply #37 on:** November 26, 2014, 12:02:21 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Just to extend the metaphor, there are two minds inside of Francis, a Catholic mind and a Conciliar (non-Catholic) mind ... both co-existing in the same body. By virtue of the Catholic identity, he remains Pope, but when the Conciliar part is acting, he is not to be obeyed. Francis has Multiple Personality Disorder.

Of course, a slightly less bizarre way to say this would be to say that Francis is pope materially but not formally, but the +Williamson won't go there.

See, I don't think there is even a Catholic part. I could see someone saying this about Benedict, but not Francis.

Adolphus · « **Reply #38 on:** November 26, 2014, 12:43:51 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Just to extend the metaphor, there are two minds inside of Francis, a Catholic mind and a Conciliar (non-Catholic) mind ... both co-existing in the same body. By virtue of the Catholic identity, he remains Pope, but when the Conciliar part is acting, he is not to be obeyed. Francis has Multiple Personality Disorder.

Of course, a slightly less bizarre way to say this would be to say that Francis is pope materially but not formally, but the +Williamson won't go there.

Do you think this would be applicable to all the conciliar popes? All of them had/have multiple personality?

peterp · « **Reply #39 on:** November 26, 2014, 12:49:06 PM »

Quote from: Adolphus

FORTIETH ANNIVERSARY

November 22, 2014
Number CCCLXXXIV (384)

A great Archbishop, forty years ago,
Measured the Council’s doctrine, and said “No.”

Yesterday was the 40 th anniversary of Archbishop Lefebvre’s historic Declaration on November 21, 1974, of the reasons for which he and the priests and laity following him were taking their stand against the total change of the Catholic Church and religion being wrought in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. The Declaration is a fresh today as it was on the day when it was written, because the true Catholic religion of God is unchangingly true, while the Conciliar religion of man is resolutely false and it is occupying Rome more than ever.
...

Cardinal Garrone : There is absolutely no relationship between the observations you are making, observations which might be justified, and the crass statements contained in your docuмent [1974 declaration].
Archbishop Lefebvre : I recognise that my “declaration” is an exaggeration ...
...
Cardinal Garrone : ... how could you write things of this kind [1974 declaration]?
Archbishop Lefebvre : I wrote them in a moment of indignation provoked by what the Visitors had said. ...
...
Archbishop Lefebvre : On certain points of the Council, one can express... reservations.
Cardinal Garrone: But you write: "The whole Council". You do not accuse the Council of simply being a little tendentious, but of being fundamentally orientated in a modernist and protestant direction. What impression can a seminarian reading your "manifesto" [1974 declaration] draw from it? It will be the source of the orientations which will inform his conscience. Will this young man be formed in the Catholic Church? I say no! He will not be a Catholic but a sectarian. He will follow Archbishop Lefebvre and not the Pope.
Archbishop Lefebvre: No, that is an exaggeration. I do not say that one must follow me, but the Magisterium.
Cardinal Garrone : But this [the 1974 declaration] says the opposite!
Archbishop Lefebvre: It is not so!

(Transcript of an examination by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, March 3, 1975)
...

"Convinced that this visit was but the first step on the road to our suppression, for so long desired by all the progressivists, and observing that the visitors had come with the desire to bring us into line with the changes effected in the Church since the Council, I decided to explain my thinking to the seminary. That is the origin of my declaration [of November 21, 1974], written, it is true, under a feeling of indignation and no doubt excessive."

(Account dated May 30, 1975 and sent to Msgr. Benelli and Cardinal Villot, quoted in Un évêque parle, vol II, published by Dominique Martin Morin, 1976, p.26)

awkwardcustomer · « **Reply #40 on:** November 26, 2014, 01:26:01 PM »

Quote from: untitled

Quote from: Ferdinand
Do Frs. Ceriani and Meramo ever do a circuit in the USA or Canada?

They say to do that is useless (establishment of centers of mass, etc.). It is to expect a restoration. That is illusion. There will be no triumph of the Immaculate Heart before the Parousia. There will be no restoration before the Parousia. (!!!)

My goodness. I had never heard of these priests before now. But I have recently come to this same conclusion - there will be no restoration before the Parousia,

I Googled their names and a few articles came up. It seems there's some controversy, which I have no intention of getting involved in.

Are there any other Catholics out there who also believe that there will be no restoration before the Parousia?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #41 on:** November 26, 2014, 04:01:11 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Ladislaus
Just to extend the metaphor, there are two minds inside of Francis, a Catholic mind and a Conciliar (non-Catholic) mind ... both co-existing in the same body. By virtue of the Catholic identity, he remains Pope, but when the Conciliar part is acting, he is not to be obeyed. Francis has Multiple Personality Disorder.

Of course, a slightly less bizarre way to say this would be to say that Francis is pope materially but not formally, but the +Williamson won't go there.

See, I don't think there is even a Catholic part. I could see someone saying this about Benedict, but not Francis.

yep

Ladislaus · « **Reply #42 on:** November 26, 2014, 05:31:23 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Ladislaus
Just to extend the metaphor, there are two minds inside of Francis, a Catholic mind and a Conciliar (non-Catholic) mind ... both co-existing in the same body. By virtue of the Catholic identity, he remains Pope, but when the Conciliar part is acting, he is not to be obeyed. Francis has Multiple Personality Disorder.

Of course, a slightly less bizarre way to say this would be to say that Francis is pope materially but not formally, but the +Williamson won't go there.

See, I don't think there is even a Catholic part. I could see someone saying this about Benedict, but not Francis.

He says he believes in the Holy Trinity, is devoted to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and St. Therese. I guess that those are Catholic things.

2Vermont · « **Reply #43 on:** November 26, 2014, 05:49:31 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: 2Vermont
Quote from: Ladislaus
Just to extend the metaphor, there are two minds inside of Francis, a Catholic mind and a Conciliar (non-Catholic) mind ... both co-existing in the same body. By virtue of the Catholic identity, he remains Pope, but when the Conciliar part is acting, he is not to be obeyed. Francis has Multiple Personality Disorder.

Of course, a slightly less bizarre way to say this would be to say that Francis is pope materially but not formally, but the +Williamson won't go there.

See, I don't think there is even a Catholic part. I could see someone saying this about Benedict, but not Francis.

He says he believes in the Holy Trinity, is devoted to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and St. Therese. I guess that those are Catholic things.

I thought to be Catholic one must hold to all truths of the Faith. You're either Catholic or not. Not partially so.

Ferdinand · « **Reply #44 on:** November 26, 2014, 06:30:11 PM »

Quote from: untitled

Quote from: Ferdinand
Do Frs. Ceriani and Meramo ever do a circuit in the USA or Canada?

They say to do that is useless (establishment of centers of mass, etc.). It is to expect a restoration. That is illusion. There will be no triumph of the Immaculate Heart before the Parousia. There will be no restoration before the Parousia. (!!!)

Before the Parousia we still need the Sacraments! Regarding the "restoration"... we (each and every on of us) must Pray as though everything depended on God, and Act as though all depended on Us (or so was the opinion of St. Ignatius and a few others).

I believe these "Resistance" Priests are of good will and I am happy they can distinguish between the "false-resistance", the "false-resistance" to the "false-resistance" and "resistance" to the "false-resistance". It is truly a grace.

If they are episcopal material the Good Bishop may very well consecrate one of them so they can help pick up the scattered pieces of the XSSPX.