Author Topic: Former SSPX Priest Tells the TRUTH (Read 9068 times)

sea leopard · « **on:** March 08, 2015, 08:33:57 PM »

Would that we would hear a 20 minute sermon like this in Society Chapels.

Having been ordained by Arch Bishop Lefebvre, and therefore the formation that they all shared, he certainly bears listening to.

Jan 1, 2015 was the last Good One, but H.E. is a Bishop and we should expect that Quality, Distinction and Definition from a Prelate of the Church. (Also taught by ABL)

As usual, short MP3 file and email attachable.

GB USA 73

P.S. Happy Birthday Your Lordship, Bishop Williamson, from both me, your loyal subject, and your "Old Friend" speaking above with fire (zeal) that was probably absorbed from you a long time ago in a land far away.

Please God, Continue to Bless You Both.

BrJoseph · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2015, 09:19:42 PM »

Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2015, 09:26:36 PM »

Quote from: BrJoseph

Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Pilar · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2015, 11:24:05 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2015, 11:39:55 PM »

Quote from: Pilar

Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Do you think the NOM is valid and/or licit? Would you attend it to fulfill your obligation if no TLM were available? If not, whence comes your authority to make such a decision? After all, no true authority says the NOM isn't valid and/or licit. The true "unfaithful ones" are those like you who show no faithfulness to the figurehead "Holy Father" to whom you pledge (false) obedience. Stick your head back in the sand.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2015, 11:49:39 PM »

Quote from: BrJoseph

Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

Ahhh, I understand now. This is +Daniel Dolan, not Timothy Cardinal Dolan!
A heads up should be given; albeit, it should have little to do with his sermon (I've just begun listening).

An important point about authority, Pilar.

sea leopard · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2015, 01:32:36 AM »

And all along I thought it was Fr. Cekada,
a very informative sermon,
everyone I have asked says Beelzebub is the devil (trad cat teaching).

Maybe "their'' church has better info.
Good question to a N.O. priest or a Society Priest.

Did not intend to start a war, just to pass along something GOOD.

bye

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2015, 11:52:10 AM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: Pilar
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Do you think the NOM is valid and/or licit? Would you attend it to fulfill your obligation if no TLM were available? If not, whence comes your authority to make such a decision? After all, no true authority says the NOM isn't valid and/or licit. The true "unfaithful ones" are those like you who show no faithfulness to the figurehead "Holy Father" to whom you pledge (false) obedience. Stick your head back in the sand.

We (my husband and I) have not been to the N.O. since the mid-seventies and raised 8 children driving 2 hrs. one way to (SSPX) Masses for many years and totally agree with Pilar.

Our fidelity is to God first and to the Pope of Rome in all things that are not contrary to the constant teachings and tradition of the Catholic Church. Accepting Francis’ Office does not oblige us to follow him in his heresies. Our head is not in the sand, but focused. This apostasy is no news. It has been foretold and all the heresies of today have already been condemned.

Sedevacatinsm is much ado about nothing, in MO.

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2015, 02:10:23 PM »

Well said Marie Auxiliadora!

Charlemagne · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2015, 03:13:50 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: Pilar
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Do you think the NOM is valid and/or licit? Would you attend it to fulfill your obligation if no TLM were available? If not, whence comes your authority to make such a decision? After all, no true authority says the NOM isn't valid and/or licit. The true "unfaithful ones" are those like you who show no faithfulness to the figurehead "Holy Father" to whom you pledge (false) obedience. Stick your head back in the sand.

We (my husband and I) have not been to the N.O. since the mid-seventies and raised 8 children driving 2 hrs. one way to (SSPX) Masses for many years and totally agree with Pilar.

Our fidelity is to God first and to the Pope of Rome in all things that are not contrary to the constant teachings and tradition of the Catholic Church. Accepting Francis’ Office does not oblige us to follow him in his heresies. Our head is not in the sand, but focused. This apostasy is no news. It has been foretold and all the heresies of today have already been condemned.

Sedevacatinsm is much ado about nothing, in MO.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy practiced by "resisters" who castigate those who've made an informed decision to not recognize these men as popes, yet have no qualms declaring the very "Mass" offered by those putative popes as being invalid or illicit. "Resisters" always throw out, "Where's the official decree that declares the office vacant?" Fair enough. Now, show me the official decree that declares the NOM invalid or illicit. Pure hypocrisy. I fall into the Ladislaus camp of "sededoubtism" regarding the office. I really don't know. What I do know is that I refuse to try to have it both ways.

JPaul · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2015, 05:39:44 PM »

Charlemagne,

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I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy practiced by "resisters" who castigate those who've made an informed decision to not recognize these men as popes, yet have no qualms declaring the very "Mass" offered by those putative popes as being invalid or illicit. "Resisters" always throw out, "Where's the official decree that declares the office vacant?" Fair enough. Now, show me the official decree that declares the NOM invalid or illicit. Pure hypocrisy. I fall into the Ladislaus camp of "sededoubtism" regarding the office. I really don't know. What I do know is that I refuse to try to have it both ways.

Neither faction has an answer to the conciliar contradiction. They both engage in a level of self-delusion and contradiction to make sense out of their positions, but do not admit to doing so.

Find the valid sacraments for as long as you can, and avoid becoming entangled in these or other factions and their postulations. That is the only way to live the Catholic life with a minimum of contradiction or hypocrisy.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2015, 06:02:46 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: Pilar
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Do you think the NOM is valid and/or licit? Would you attend it to fulfill your obligation if no TLM were available? If not, whence comes your authority to make such a decision? After all, no true authority says the NOM isn't valid and/or licit. The true "unfaithful ones" are those like you who show no faithfulness to the figurehead "Holy Father" to whom you pledge (false) obedience. Stick your head back in the sand.

We (my husband and I) have not been to the N.O. since the mid-seventies and raised 8 children driving 2 hrs. one way to (SSPX) Masses for many years and totally agree with Pilar.

Our fidelity is to God first and to the Pope of Rome in all things that are not contrary to the constant teachings and tradition of the Catholic Church. Accepting Francis’ Office does not oblige us to follow him in his heresies. Our head is not in the sand, but focused. This apostasy is no news. It has been foretold and all the heresies of today have already been condemned.

Sedevacatinsm is much ado about nothing, in MO.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy practiced by "resisters" who castigate those who've made an informed decision to not recognize these men as popes, yet have no qualms declaring the very "Mass" offered by those putative popes as being invalid or illicit. "Resisters" always throw out, "Where's the official decree that declares the office vacant?" Fair enough. Now, show me the official decree that declares the NOM invalid or illicit. Pure hypocrisy. I fall into the Ladislaus camp of "sededoubtism" regarding the office. I really don't know. What I do know is that I refuse to try to have it both ways.

The Ecuмenical Council of Trent (1545-1563) infallibly declared:

Quote

"If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, accustomed to be used in the administration of the sacraments, may be despised or omitted by the ministers without sin and at their pleasure, or may be changed by any pastor of the churches to other new ones, let him be anathema."

JPaul · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2015, 09:46:17 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: Pilar
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Do you think the NOM is valid and/or licit? Would you attend it to fulfill your obligation if no TLM were available? If not, whence comes your authority to make such a decision? After all, no true authority says the NOM isn't valid and/or licit. The true "unfaithful ones" are those like you who show no faithfulness to the figurehead "Holy Father" to whom you pledge (false) obedience. Stick your head back in the sand.

We (my husband and I) have not been to the N.O. since the mid-seventies and raised 8 children driving 2 hrs. one way to (SSPX) Masses for many years and totally agree with Pilar.

Our fidelity is to God first and to the Pope of Rome in all things that are not contrary to the constant teachings and tradition of the Catholic Church. Accepting Francis’ Office does not oblige us to follow him in his heresies. Our head is not in the sand, but focused. This apostasy is no news. It has been foretold and all the heresies of today have already been condemned.

Sedevacatinsm is much ado about nothing, in MO.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy practiced by "resisters" who castigate those who've made an informed decision to not recognize these men as popes, yet have no qualms declaring the very "Mass" offered by those putative popes as being invalid or illicit. "Resisters" always throw out, "Where's the official decree that declares the office vacant?" Fair enough. Now, show me the official decree that declares the NOM invalid or illicit. Pure hypocrisy. I fall into the Ladislaus camp of "sededoubtism" regarding the office. I really don't know. What I do know is that I refuse to try to have it both ways.

The Ecuмenical Council of Trent (1545-1563) infallibly declared:
Quote
"If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, accustomed to be used in the administration of the sacraments, may be despised or omitted by the ministers without sin and at their pleasure, or may be changed by any pastor of the churches to other new ones, let him be anathema."

Which leaves the conciliar popes and all others who use and promote these blasphemous rites in a state of undeniable anathema to the Catholic Church and all Christians.

Adolphus · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2015, 09:49:58 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: Pilar
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Do you think the NOM is valid and/or licit? Would you attend it to fulfill your obligation if no TLM were available? If not, whence comes your authority to make such a decision? After all, no true authority says the NOM isn't valid and/or licit. The true "unfaithful ones" are those like you who show no faithfulness to the figurehead "Holy Father" to whom you pledge (false) obedience. Stick your head back in the sand.

We (my husband and I) have not been to the N.O. since the mid-seventies and raised 8 children driving 2 hrs. one way to (SSPX) Masses for many years and totally agree with Pilar.

Our fidelity is to God first and to the Pope of Rome in all things that are not contrary to the constant teachings and tradition of the Catholic Church. Accepting Francis’ Office does not oblige us to follow him in his heresies. Our head is not in the sand, but focused. This apostasy is no news. It has been foretold and all the heresies of today have already been condemned.

Sedevacatinsm is much ado about nothing, in MO.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy practiced by "resisters" who castigate those who've made an informed decision to not recognize these men as popes, yet have no qualms declaring the very "Mass" offered by those putative popes as being invalid or illicit. "Resisters" always throw out, "Where's the official decree that declares the office vacant?" Fair enough. Now, show me the official decree that declares the NOM invalid or illicit. Pure hypocrisy. I fall into the Ladislaus camp of "sededoubtism" regarding the office. I really don't know. What I do know is that I refuse to try to have it both ways.

I agree with you, but I think you are confused about the so-called resisters. There are sedevacantists among the so-called resistance.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:19:34 AM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: Pilar
Quote from: Charlemagne
Quote from: BrJoseph
Warning - it is Bishop Dolan - sedevacantist.

And? I'd rather listen to what Bp. Dolan has to say over most of what is preached by priests in Society chapels these days.

Right, of course, why not? Let's listen to one of the unfaithful ones who caused untold damage to the SSPX and untold heartbreak to Archbishop Lefebvre. Where on earth were you when that was happening? He and his confreres stole SSPX priests, property and faithful. I don't remember Bishop Williamson having any tender things to say about Bishop Dolan back then.

We should avoid sedevacantists until some group with authority declares the see vacant. We can think it may be, but that does not make someone sedevacantist. What makes that is when we say with absolute certainty that the see is vacant when no authority says so.

Do you think the NOM is valid and/or licit? Would you attend it to fulfill your obligation if no TLM were available? If not, whence comes your authority to make such a decision? After all, no true authority says the NOM isn't valid and/or licit. The true "unfaithful ones" are those like you who show no faithfulness to the figurehead "Holy Father" to whom you pledge (false) obedience. Stick your head back in the sand.

We (my husband and I) have not been to the N.O. since the mid-seventies and raised 8 children driving 2 hrs. one way to (SSPX) Masses for many years and totally agree with Pilar.

Our fidelity is to God first and to the Pope of Rome in all things that are not contrary to the constant teachings and tradition of the Catholic Church. Accepting Francis’ Office does not oblige us to follow him in his heresies. Our head is not in the sand, but focused. This apostasy is no news. It has been foretold and all the heresies of today have already been condemned.

Sedevacatinsm is much ado about nothing, in MO.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy practiced by "resisters" who castigate those who've made an informed decision to not recognize these men as popes, yet have no qualms declaring the very "Mass" offered by those putative popes as being invalid or illicit. "Resisters" always throw out, "Where's the official decree that declares the office vacant?" Fair enough. Now, show me the official decree that declares the NOM invalid or illicit. Pure hypocrisy. I fall into the Ladislaus camp of "sededoubtism" regarding the office. I really don't know. What I do know is that I refuse to try to have it both ways.

The Ecuмenical Council of Trent (1545-1563) infallibly declared:
Quote
"If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, accustomed to be used in the administration of the sacraments, may be despised or omitted by the ministers without sin and at their pleasure, or may be changed by any pastor of the churches to other new ones, let him be anathema."

Which leaves the conciliar popes and all others who use and promote these blasphemous rites in a state of undeniable anathema to the Catholic Church and all Christians.

Of which O.L. of Fatima has warned us about (Apostasy from the top). If heaven can warn the faithful, heaven can take care of the problem in God's good time. SV is a position of despair IMO.