Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 [3]

Author Topic: Forgo  (Read 5316 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Mysterium Fidei

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 149
  • Reputation: +159/-21
  • Gender: Male
Re: Forgo
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2024, 09:39:55 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • The more realistic position of Abp. Lefebvre is that he vacillated back and forth between "hard line" and "soft line" positions, never definitively answering the question of whether Vatican II was Catholic or not.

    He, at one time, took a "don't ask, don't tell", position with sevecacantists in his society. He also one time stated: "I would not say that the pope is not the pope. But neither would I say that you cannot say the pope is not the pope."

    Of course, he never openly declared for the sedevacantist position, because that would take off the table any possibility of reaching a deal with the modernists in Rome for regularization of his Society.

    Logged

    Online Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 14652
    • Reputation: +6038/-903
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #31 on: July 27, 2024, 10:01:06 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Mysterium Fidei on July 27, 2024, 09:39:55 AM
    Of course, he never openly declared for the sedevacantist position, because that would take off the table any possibility of reaching a deal with the modernists in Rome for regularization of his Society.
    No, that's not the reason at all and has nothing whatsoever to do with why he never took or in any way supported the sede position. He concerned himself with feeding his sheep, not deciding on whether popes are popes or not. If he thought for one minute that JP2 was not the pope, he would NEVER have met with PPVI numerous times nor sought JP2's permission to consecrate the 4 bishops. 

    Any deal with Rome was entirely dependent upon doctrine, not sedeism - which something there is zero reason to even be the slightest concerned with -  he understood this very well.
    Logged
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12469
    • Reputation: +8257/-1572
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #32 on: July 27, 2024, 10:30:45 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Stubborn on July 27, 2024, 10:01:06 AM
    No, that's not the reason at all …

    So… you were able to read Abp. Lefevbre's internal forum. You knew his inner thoughts. You knew the precise reasons for his actions.

    You have the same propensity as Meg for proclaiming knowledge of the interior forum of others.… stubbornly of course.



    Logged

    Offline Mysterium Fidei

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 149
    • Reputation: +159/-21
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #33 on: July 27, 2024, 01:38:19 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Apb. Lefebvre left three priests, whom he was going to expel, to run the Society's Northeast District even though he knew they were sedevacantists, and even to leave out JPII's name from the mass so long as they didn't publicly criticize the Society's position.
    Logged

    Offline Infirmus

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 95
    • Reputation: +32/-144
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #34 on: July 27, 2024, 08:42:02 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!4
    • Quote from: Mark 79 on July 26, 2024, 10:46:37 PM
    2 Thessalonians Chapter 2


    This chapter has always held me in a special awe because it provides me with the framework necessary to respond in a Catholic way to world events. I have to live in this world (for a time), so I need the compass of Truth.

    So:

    • near The End
    • there will be a revolt
    • "he who now holdeth" (a true Pope) shall be "taken out of the way"
    • unleashing the Anti-Christ


    and

    • those who do not love the Truth
    • will be sent the "operation of error to believe lies"
    • and will be damned for their failure to love the Truth.


    and

    • for our Salvation we must adhere to the perennial and unchangeable Truth



    Opinion: Meg rages and obsesses (ineffectually!) because she refuses to see that the one who "holdeth" has been "taken out of the way." The V2 and post-V2 papal pretenders have not "held" against the Anti-Christ. Instead they have facilitated the Anti-Christ.

    You all can believe whatever the Hell [literally] you want to believe. I believe that anyone who believes that Jorge "holds [against the Anti-Christ]" and is a true Pope does not love the Truth, so God has sent you the "operation of error to believe lies."

    Obsess and rage on as you will.
    Wow that was weird, now imagine my face distorting with weird being long pronounced. This could be Palmar da troya 2.
    Was that last line pronounced with a British accent? 
    Logged

    Offline Infirmus

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 95
    • Reputation: +32/-144
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #35 on: July 27, 2024, 08:52:29 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!3
    • Quote from: Nadir on July 27, 2024, 05:36:51 AM
    Your words:
    Yes, you had put your hopes in Vigano to be a ++ LeFebvre and he’s not.  Both men speak the Truth in the time God chose for them.

    Put your hopes in God and trust Him.
    Nice try Nadir
    Logged

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12469
    • Reputation: +8257/-1572
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #36 on: July 27, 2024, 09:34:21 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Infirmus on July 27, 2024, 08:42:02 PM
    Wow that was weird, now imagine my face distorting with weird being long pronounced. This could be Palmar da troya 2.
    Was that last line pronounced with a British accent?
    Your word salad is non-responsive.
    Logged

    Online Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 14652
    • Reputation: +6038/-903
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #37 on: July 28, 2024, 09:42:32 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Mark 79 on July 27, 2024, 10:30:45 AM
    So… you were able to read Abp. Lefevbre's internal forum. You knew his inner thoughts. You knew the precise reasons for his actions.

    You have the same propensity as Meg for proclaiming knowledge of the interior forum of others.… stubbornly of course.
    I'm not the one trying to pass off reading his internal forum or his inner thoughts. Sedeism is a most useless idea in our quest for salvation, +ABL was well aware of this. Common sense *should* tell you that if that weren't so, he'd have been among the first to have gone full sede.  
    Logged
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12469
    • Reputation: +8257/-1572
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #38 on: July 28, 2024, 11:55:38 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Stubborn on July 28, 2024, 09:42:32 AM
    I'm not the one trying to pass off reading his internal forum or his inner thoughts. Sedeism is a most useless idea in our quest for salvation, +ABL was well aware of this. Common sense *should* tell you that if that weren't so, he'd have been among the first to have gone full sede. 
    That is utter bullshit, stale bullshit. You did claim to read his interior forum… AND… diverting into your "common sense" :laugh2: opinions of sedevacantism does not award you the charism of reading Abp. Lefevbre's or anyone else's interior forum.


    Quote from: Stubborn on July 27, 2024, 10:01:06 AM
    No, that's not the reason at all …

    In the above phrase you claimed you knew Abp. Lefevbre's reasons for doing what he did and/or did not do.  In the absence of Abp. Lefevbre's verbatim statement of his own reasons, you are in no position to claim you know his reasons and/or what were not his reasons.

    You claimed access to his interior forum. You are full of shit.

    Logged

    Online Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 14652
    • Reputation: +6038/-903
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #39 on: July 29, 2024, 05:04:47 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Mark 79 on July 28, 2024, 11:55:38 AM
    That is utter bullshit, stale bullshit. You did claim to read his interior forum… AND… diverting into your "common sense" :laugh2: opinions of sedevacantism does not award you the charism of reading Abp. Lefevbre's or anyone else's interior forum.


    In the above phrase you claimed you knew Abp. Lefevbre's reasons for doing what he did and/or did not do.  In the absence of Abp. Lefevbre's verbatim statement of his own reasons, you are in no position to claim you know his reasons and/or what were not his reasons.

    You claimed access to his interior forum. You are full of shit.
    :facepalm:
    Logged
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Infirmus

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 95
    • Reputation: +32/-144
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #40 on: July 29, 2024, 08:36:18 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!3
    • Quote from: Mysterium Fidei on July 27, 2024, 09:39:55 AM
    The more realistic position of Abp. Lefebvre is that he vacillated back and forth between "hard line" and "soft line" positions, never definitively answering the question of whether Vatican II was Catholic or not.
    This sounds like the head of the c mri talking, how can I take that head  guy seriously when his theology training was from Shuckardt. Had to get ordained and consecrated by Thuc-ers because Thuc-ers will ordain and consecrate anyone just like Thuc did at Palmar da Troya.  

    You are asked to be a bishop, you don't ask to be a bishop
    Logged

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12469
    • Reputation: +8257/-1572
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #41 on: July 29, 2024, 09:17:32 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Stubborn on July 29, 2024, 05:04:47 AM
    :facepalm:
    Non-responsive… because you have no response.

    You claimed access to his inner reasoning when you do not and cannot have such access.
    Logged

    Offline Incredulous

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 9250
    • Reputation: +9079/-870
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #42 on: July 29, 2024, 09:29:23 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Mark 79 on July 26, 2024, 10:46:37 PM
    2 Thessalonians Chapter 2


    This chapter has always held me in a special awe because it provides me with the framework necessary to respond in a Catholic way to world events. I have to live in this world (for a time), so I need the compass of Truth.

    So:

    • near The End
    • there will be a revolt
    • "he who now holdeth" (a true Pope) shall be "taken out of the way"
    • unleashing the Anti-Christ


    and

    • those who do not love the Truth
    • will be sent the "operation of error to believe lies"
    • and will be damned for their failure to love the Truth.


    and

    • for our Salvation we must adhere to the perennial and unchangeable Truth


    It seems, the few hundred thousand traditional Catholics struggling to hold onto their Faith, face a most sophisticated, saturation media gauntlet aimed at diverting, distorting and hiding the truth.  While we are divided and disoriented, what ʝʊdɛօ-masons fear most, is our unity as Catholics as in the Battle of Lepanto Rosary prayers. 
    How we could become like the Maccabees if we had authentic Catholic leaders, who discerned and spoke the truth...
     and led us in prayer.
    Logged
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

    Offline Mark 79

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 12469
    • Reputation: +8257/-1572
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #43 on: July 29, 2024, 09:32:51 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Incredulous on July 29, 2024, 09:29:23 PM
    It seems, the few hundred thousand traditional Catholics struggling to hold onto their Faith, face a most sophisticated, saturation media gauntlet aimed at diverting, distorting and hiding the truth.  While we are divided and disoriented, what ʝʊdɛօ-masons fear most, is our unity as Catholics as in the Battle of Lepanto Rosary prayers. 
    How we could become like the Maccabees if we had authentic Catholic leaders, who discerned and spoke the truth...
     and led us in prayer.
    Here's a start…





    Logged

    Online Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 14652
    • Reputation: +6038/-903
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Forgo
    « Reply #44 on: July 30, 2024, 04:46:36 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • .
    Logged
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse
    Pages: 1 2 [3]
    « previous next »