SSPX now 'normal Catholics'.  7/7/17 seems a good possibility.


http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/05/for-record-rome-has-given-sspx-right-to.html

For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission of local ordinary

Bishop Fellay seems to think the supernatural is like automobile mechanics... something happens so you just pound out a dent or replace a part and everything is hunky dory...
The Novus Ordo whackos will never see SSPX'ers any other way than as wishy-washy sheeple who drunk the proverbial Koolaid...
SSPX'ers will be seen by
1) the liberals as a laughingstock; people who caved in to go with the flow...
2) honest people as dishonest, people who are inconsistent with their principles...
3) REAL CATHOLICS as aposates...

Bishop Fellay is working to place the SSPX in the worst of all possible scenarios.  The FSSP was always looked upon as dinosaurs in the Novus Ordo lake. Now the SSPX gets to join them.  The progressives will laugh at the people behind the curve.  Rational people will not give them any credibility.  And among true Catholics they will lose all respect.

If Bishop Fellay wants to be consistent, why doesn't he just say that Archbishop Lefebvre was an ultramontane fossil, that the Novus Ordo is what's right for modern man, and just be done with it.

Really, you want to cozy up to Pope Frantic, the man who has this thing about... heck, let me find the quote...

"Disinformation is probably the greatest damage that the media can do, as opinion is guided in one direction, neglecting the other part of the truth," he [Pope Frantic, as quoted by USA Today] said. "I believe that the media should be very clear, very transparent, and not fall prey — without offense, please — to the sickness of coprophilia, which is always wanting to communicate scandal, to communicate ugly things, even though they may be true. And since people have a tendency towards the sickness of coprophagia, it can do great harm."

Coprophagia is terminology used to describe, for example, dogs that like to eat poop.  (My former Siberian Husky would raid cat litter and I had to keep him away from cowpies.)  

Here is the definition for coprophilia
1. the use of obscene or scatological language for sɛҳuąƖ gratification.
2. a love of obscenity.
3. (Psychiatry.)  an abnormal interest in feces, especially as a source of sɛҳuąƖ excitement.

I just don't know what to make of that quote, but I hope this helps people understand why I call him "Pope Frantic"...

What appears to be a big victory for +Fellay is in actuality a terrible tragedy for the Catholic Church and a coup d'etat for the globalist fascist Francis.  Jurisdiction has always been essential in the governance of the church and its various dioceses...now willy nilly this 'pope' says sspx may ordain without permission of local ordinaries..this blows it wide open for any group to freely ordain priests whenever and wherever, women priests will be included..it is another destructive blow to the Church disguised as a an act of charity and acceptance of the 'renegade' group which has for so many years been Rome's thorn in the side...they will take them down with them.

For those that have followed the trail guided by the of The Remnant, Catholic Family News, and Fr. Gruner etc., the new guidance of the SSPX today will be on familiar grounds, for there is no difference between them. The way it works is to praise the crumbs thrown their way and give mild criticism of the obviously absurd and then forget about them forever with the next praise of the crumbs.

This "good news" is a crumb.

I don't understand why this would be a problem.

It appears to be a lovely gesture...it is not.  Not for one moment is the pope extending an olive branch but rather using the SSPX to further destroy the issue of jurisdiction, which has always been a necessary part of the governance by bishops in the structure of the church.

When folk were first drawn to the Society all those years ago, were they aware that some special status within the Church was being sought which would forever leave them as some exotic sideshow on the fringe of the mainstream? It is starting to look as though Abp. Lefebvre was more intent on establishing an institution within an institution that would reflect his idiosyncratic form of Catholicism than on mounting a broad counter-reformation in opposition to the Rome takeover. As a result the history of the SSPX will be regarded as an internal squabble whose resolution will ultimately brush aside most instances of mutual awkwardness.  

Bypassing diocesan bishops reminds me of the mid-19th century in England when Newman would deal directly with Rome with his Oratory project. The same goes for the Christian Brothers who in my knowledge liked to compete with local bishops when advancing the mission of the Church. So, there are precedents for this special behaviour which should reassure Menzingen that its peculiarity is not that abnormal. So much for the Society's policy of obduracy and resistance.

Whether or not the priests of the Society ever believed that they were part of a plan to convert the new church, the idea now is that this is not going to happen. Even Bp. Williamson has given up and relies on magic and miracles to to do this for him. I am afraid the hope for active traditionalism must lie a million miles away from the SSPX and its historic contagion.  

Yes...although it feels different coming from the pope himself.  The SSPX will forever be playing mouse to Rome's cat it appears!  

It appears to be a lovely gesture...it is not.  Not for one moment is the pope extending an olive branch but rather using the SSPX to further destroy the issue of jurisdiction, which has always been a necessary part of the governance by bishops in the structure of the church.

So you are saying that for the SSPX to have legitimate jurisdiction is a bad thing?

What kind of strange brew are you SSPX priests imbibing these days?  :cheers:

Did some Neocon spike the wine in the sacristy?  :jumping2:

Did you read any of your own books? 

Ever hear of this thing called the Syllabus of Errors? 

When some of you older priests were at Winona, were you playing Axis&Allies or Fussball during all the lectures? 

Listen to the sermons at Mass? 

Or was it all about the local ice cream parlor? 

Or maybe eating burgers at Micky D's?   :ready-to-eat:

But why are the vast majority of you priests silent about the machinations by your superior with a "pope" that makes JP2 look like St Ignatius? 

Is your political correctness going to avail you anything on Judgment Day?