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Offline JPaul

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Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2017, 10:12:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 27, 2017, 04:41:53 AM
    So you are saying that for the SSPX to have legitimate jurisdiction is a bad thing?
    Well, what might be a bad thing is to assume that the leaders of a false church are legitimate enough to licitly grant any jurisdiction in the Catholic Church, and why would such a group want it from a non-Catholic source?
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #16 on: May 28, 2017, 08:05:17 PM »
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    • So then I am just not sure...should this gesture be looked upon as a favor and blessing for tradition and another nod of approval from the pope to SSPX?  Or is it rather a non issue?  And what of the SSPX?  Are they to be grateful for this gesture?
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 05:09:55 AM »
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    • So Bishop Fellay is saying that previously all Holy Orders done in the SSPX, his own included, were schismatic acts.
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #18 on: May 31, 2017, 04:43:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: bernadette on May 27, 2017, 08:45:41 AM
    Well i suppose if the pope says it is okay...then it is okay, right?
    In this case why not?
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #19 on: May 31, 2017, 04:53:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on May 30, 2017, 05:09:55 AM
    So Bishop Fellay is saying that previously all Holy Orders done in the SSPX, his own included, were schismatic acts.
    From the Code of Canon Law;

    Can.  1015 §1. Each person is to be ordained to the presbyterate or the diaconate by his proper bishop or with legitimate dimissorial letters from him.
    Can. 1383 A bishop who, contrary to the prescript of ⇒ can. 1015, ordains without legitimate dimissorial letters someone who is not his subject is prohibited for a year from conferring the order. The person who has received the ordination, however, is ipso facto suspended from the order received.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

    For a long time there have been objections to the ordinations conducted by the SSPX bishops under the above reasons. The decree of the Holy Father does away with these objections. It gives the SSPX greater legitimacy.  
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #20 on: May 31, 2017, 04:55:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 31, 2017, 04:53:07 AM
    From the Code of Canon Law;

    Can.  1015 §1. Each person is to be ordained to the presbyterate or the diaconate by his proper bishop or with legitimate dimissorial letters from him.
    Can. 1383 A bishop who, contrary to the prescript of ⇒ can. 1015, ordains without legitimate dimissorial letters someone who is not his subject is prohibited for a year from conferring the order. The person who has received the ordination, however, is ipso facto suspended from the order received.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

    For a long time there have been objections to the ordinations conducted by the SSPX bishops under the above reasons. The decree of the Holy Father does away with these objections. It gives the SSPX greater legitimacy.  
    No abjuration of schismatic acts required? This is jokerism and not Catholicism.Or did Bergoglio believe that the SSPX have supplied jurisdiction until now? Pope Joker.
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #21 on: May 31, 2017, 11:10:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on May 31, 2017, 04:55:08 AM
    No abjuration of schismatic acts required? This is jokerism and not Catholicism.Or did Bergoglio believe that the SSPX have supplied jurisdiction until now? Pope Joker.
    Do you intend to say that the SSPX are schismatic?
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #22 on: June 01, 2017, 01:30:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 31, 2017, 11:10:35 PM
    Do you intend to say that the SSPX are schismatic?
    If they previously claimed that they had supplied jurisdiction but now they have permission from what they claim is the true Church, then they are schismatic. What happened to that supplied jurisdiction. When, how and why did it fade away?. A true pope would severely punish them for such behavior.
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #23 on: June 01, 2017, 07:09:52 AM »
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    What happened to that supplied jurisdiction. When, how and why did it fade away?

    THAT is the QUESTION to ask the deceitful +Fellay. Was it when the SSPX coverup of pedophile priest was exposed? In the video docuмentary it's clear that +Fellay run to Rome "for help" and Rome granted him jurisdiction to judge his own priests. He seemed very joyful (relieved?) after that and now we know why such jurisdiction was given to him thanks to the docuмentary. Was it then that the "survival" of the SSPX became more important than the Faith?
    Now, not only he thinks the Resistance bishops are not necessary, but he's willing to give up the ones that ABL consecrated in his eagerness to join the most Modernist pope since Vatican II.
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #24 on: June 01, 2017, 10:49:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 31, 2017, 04:43:58 AM
    In this case why not?
    No, rather...so in this case, why?  
    If it benefits the sspx then by all means, suddenly,  it is a great thing?  But.....what of the "supplied jurisdiction" claim that they have been hinging it all on for decades?  This entire thing stinks to high heaven..sorry for saying it but the sspx does not get to installé themselves into the mainstream church with lily white hands, and the holy roller high hat superior attitude that they havent ever backed down and now they are the little flock that will reverse the modern church back into their dark ages....
    Im sick and tired of this crap.
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #25 on: June 01, 2017, 10:53:30 PM »
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    • We can't like our own posts around here? ? ? ?
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #26 on: June 02, 2017, 02:44:11 AM »
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    • There! I liked it for you and for me. Can't like twice either so I liked the two.
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #27 on: June 02, 2017, 09:09:38 AM »
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #28 on: June 03, 2017, 02:21:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on June 01, 2017, 01:30:02 AM
    If they previously claimed that they had supplied jurisdiction but now they have permission from what they claim is the true Church, then they are schismatic. What happened to that supplied jurisdiction. When, how and why did it fade away?. A true pope would severely punish them for such behavior.
    A Pope who is a real father is not about just issuing punishments and beatings. He is about what is best for all of his children.  
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    Re: For the record: Rome has given SSPX right to ordain priests without permission
    « Reply #29 on: June 03, 2017, 11:05:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 03, 2017, 02:21:55 AM
    A Pope who is a real father is not about just issuing punishments and beatings. He is about what is best for all of his children.  
    What are you saying? Did the SSPX not consider the post conciliar popes to be like "bad dads"?.
    You have posted over 11000 times on a "Resistance" (R&R) site and you haven't heard of the "bad dad" theory?. This is indeed a real crisis. Your "real father" popes have allowed thousands of clergy to assault children, but yet, it is left to the civil authority to "issue punishments". Books have been written about this. 
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