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Flashback - Betrayal by the Nine
« on: June 26, 2012, 05:26:06 PM »
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  • Betrayal by Three New Priests

    On Sunday night, May 20, when the Archbishop arrived back at the Seminary at a late hour from Kansas, somewhat tired and travel-weary, no sooner had he stepped out of the car than he was served with a civil court summons in a suit to evict the Society from the seminary property here in Connecticut, a suit filed by Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn. Those standing by noticed and will not easily forget the look of pain on the face of the Archbishop, who it must be remembered was their Father in the Priesthood. Now according to the old Code of Canon Law, anyone citing a Catholic Bishop before a civil judge incurs automatic excommunication (Canon 2341). Hence, according to the only Code of Canon Law which they themselves recognize, these five priests are excommunicated!

    Then a few days later, an event which should have taken by surprise no Catholic familiar with the Gospel story of the betrayal of Our Lord, but which has nevertheless caused deep shock and heart-ache and scandal to countless Catholics: of the four newly ordained Priests who had freely requested and received Ordination within the Society of St. Pius X at the hands of its Founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, after freely taking on the evening before with their hand on the Gospels a solemn oath of Fidelity to their Superiors, two of the four, on the stormy afternoon of May 23, amidst flashes of lightning and torrents of rain, walked out of the Seminary and went to join the nine Priests who defected last year, and two days later a third, already absent, announced that he was doing the same. And it was night.

    A few facts will highlight the nature of this deed. Firstly, we now know that very soon after the defection of the Nine one year ago, these three actually told someone that they intended to lie low in order to get the priesthood. Certainly over the course of one whole year their words and actions in the Seminary were of a nature to persuade everyone, priests, seminarians and even visitors from outside, that they would be loyal to the Society. Did they for one whole year live a lie?

    Secondly, on the very eve of their Ordination, in accordance with the Traditional requirements of Mother Church, all three took a solemn Oath of Fidelity at the Altar of God, with their hand touching the Gospels before the Blessed Sacrament in the opened Tabernacle, swearing amongst other things that they would respectfully obey their Superiors in the Society of St. Pius X. The complete text of this Oath and the signatures of all three are enclosed with this letter.

    The alterations made to the text by one of them suggest he was not at ease, and indeed to swear such an Oath at all each of them must have found or been given a way of justifying or rationalizing to himself and to others what he did. However, if before God they here committed perjury, then their receiving of Holy Orders in such a state will have been, thirdly, a grave sacrilege.

    Fourthly, towards the end of the Traditional Ordination ceremony, each of the three placed his hands between the hands of the Archbishop, for the Archbishop to ask him in Latin, "Do you promise to me and my successors reverence and obedience?" Each of the three answered distinctly, "Promitto", meaning "I promise".

    Fifthly, the at least apparent breaking, within ten days, of these solemn Oaths and Promises, taken together withpiece  all the other circumstances of this latest defection, has caused and will continue to cause a terrible scandal to Catholics; not only to those attached to Tradition who supported and assisted these three because they trusted them to follow Archbishop Lefebvre in defense of the Faith, but also to countless others not yet attached to Tradition who will wrongly but understandably say that if Tradition fosters such disloyalty, then they want none of it.

    By way of comment upon these facts, let three quotations for the moment suffice. On May 27 of this year, Fr. Sanborn said from the pulpit in Traverse City, Michigan, "I am very pleased to announce three of the four Priests who were ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre on May 13 have decided to come with us. This makes me very happy because I trained them, and so not all the fruits of my labor as Rector of the Seminary were lost."  (Does Fr. Sanborn realize what fruits he is laying claim to?).

    On April 28 of last year, just after the split between the Society and the Nine, Archbishop Lefebvre said at the Seminary to all the seminarians, including the three who have just defected: "I hope you will make the good choice. But you must choose. If you agree with the position and attitude and orientation of Fr. Kelly, then follow Fr. Kelly. If you think Mgr. Lefebvre is right, then follow the attitude of Msgr. and the Fraternity. But you must be clear ....  honest. Do not say: I will be silent until after my ordination. That is wrong! God knows that! That is a lie before God..... not before me. I am nothing. But before God! You cannot do that! " That is precisely what Fr. Dolan said, i.e. "I knew how to keep quiet until my ordination". I cannot understand him doing that! A future priest doing that??"

    And on May 30 of this year, one of the three latest defectors, when reproached by a lady that such a blow as these actions of theirs might have killed the Archbishop, replied "Oh, he's 78 years old anyway. Mark you, I'm grateful to him, because without him I wouldn't be a priest".

    People might ask how such a thing could happen inside a Seminary, and whether the same will not happen again. The answer is that Jesus saw to the very depths of the human heart (John VI, 65,71), but still chose to allow an Apostle to be unfaithful. As for Jesus' Priests, we can only see into human hearts, in the words of the Ordination Rite itself, "as far as human frailty allows us to know". Also there comes a point of mistrust at which the service of God seizes up and a Catholic Seminary can no longer operate, because charity "believes all things and hopes in all things" (1 Cor. XIII 7). However we are keeping our eyes open, and one seminarian has already been asked to leave since the defection, who under questioning clearly shared the defectors' way of thinking.

    Fr. Richard Williamson

    http://www.sspxseminary.org/publications/rectors-letters-separator/rectors-letter/68.html
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    Flashback - Betrayal by the Nine
    « Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 05:27:07 PM »
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  • A friend of mine brought up this letter in the context of the recent move by Bishop Fellay to suspend ordination of all Traditional Franciscan and Dominican priests.

    He is pro-Fellay, of course.

    Of course, the actions described in this letter remind us each of different people.

    To me, the heart-wrenching scene of betrayal described above is what many faithful SSPX priests, bishops, and faithful experience upon hearing the recent words of Bishop Fellay, or WILL experience upon the announcement of a premature Deal with Rome.

    ...Or the feelings of Independent priests all over the country, who now are looked down upon, and soon to be branded "schismatic", "vagus", and a host of other names by the NEW SSPX -- even though in 2003 Angelus Press put out a whole book about them, holding them up as examples for other priests. "Priest, Where Is Thy Mass? Mass, Where Is Thy Priest?"
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    « Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 05:37:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    A friend of mine brought up this letter in the context of the recent move by Bishop Fellay to suspend ordination of all Traditional Franciscan and Dominican priests.

    He is pro-Fellay, of course.


    The comparison is an injustice to those who have their ordinations suspended.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 05:52:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    A friend of mine brought up this letter in the context of the recent move by Bishop Fellay to suspend ordination of all Traditional Franciscan and Dominican priests.

    He is pro-Fellay, of course.



    Pass on the word that I have for him and his friends CCC's for 50% off.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 05:54:19 PM »
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  • The "nine's" position might have been correct, but the way they went about leaving sowed the seeds of much bad blood.  How can these "wrongs" be undone some 30 years latter so we can drop the "labels" on good Catholics on both sides.  


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    « Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 06:03:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: insidebaseball
    The "nine's" position might have been correct, but the way they went about leaving sowed the seeds of much bad blood.  How can these "wrongs" be undone some 30 years latter so we can drop the "labels" on good Catholics on both sides.  


    The position of "the nine" back then is not the same position of most of them today. I think it's important to point out as well that "the nine" are no longer "the nine," and the fruits of these past 30 plus "correct position" years are not good at all.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

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    « Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 06:07:14 PM »
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  • Betrayal and Deception.  Just like we are seeing now.  One can see the devil's hand in this.  Our Lady of Sorrows, pray for us.

     
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    « Reply #7 on: June 26, 2012, 06:44:04 PM »
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  • Nowhere do I see a date regarding what YEAR this took place, but it seems it
    must have been 1984.

    Because May 20th fell on a Sunday that year, and the only other year it did so
    within the lifetime of +ABL was in 1990, but by then, +Williamson was a bishop,
    and he signs the letter on the St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary web page as "Fr.
    Richard Williamson." Also, the letter says +ABL was 78 years old. He was born
    in November of 1905, so he was 78 in May of 1984. Two different methods give
    the same year, so it must be true.


    I made a post containing curiously similar sentiments on another thread a while
    ago. It's the last post on page 4 of this thread.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 26, 2012, 06:55:35 PM »
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  • The Nine disobeyed ..... as ABL disobeyed ..... as Bp. W has disobeyed .... pot calling kettle black .... glass houses and stones ...... and so it goes on ...... and on ..... and on ....

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    « Reply #9 on: June 26, 2012, 09:43:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    The Nine disobeyed ..... as ABL disobeyed ..... as Bp. W has disobeyed .... pot calling kettle black .... glass houses and stones ...... and so it goes on ...... and on ..... and on ....


    Did the nine (or should I say "the three") spoken of in the thread merely disobey?  Or did they disobey, betray and deceive?  From what I can understand, there are very few similarities between their's and +ABL's actions.  Just asking.    
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 27, 2012, 03:26:52 AM »
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    The Nine disobeyed ..... as ABL disobeyed ..... as Bp. W has disobeyed .... pot calling kettle black .... glass houses and stones ...... and so it goes on ...... and on ..... and on ....

    Well, I understand you. This current worst crisis of the Church is a real mess for sure. There's absolutely no business as usual (*), and we can't do our job from 9 to 5...

    But still Our Lord watches over His Church. The day He says: Enough is enough! -- everything will be perfectly cleaned, like the world was with the Flood. So let's fasten our seat-belts and enter the Ark! ... but wait, what and where is the Ark?

    The traditional Catholic Faith is the Ark. In times of distress like the Japanese Catholics had to bear, this can mean Rosary in the houses.

    Bishop Williamson closed his EC "Deadly Mush" (19 April 2008) with these words:

    But then ... if the Church cannot excommunicate such damaging enemies within, what means remain to her to defend herself? Answer, that is perhaps the most serious reason of all for thinking that only a divine chastisement comparable to the Flood can clean out the present corruption in Church and world. Catholic Tradition is today's Ark. Kyrie eleison.



    (*) My Irish cup containing British tea shows this reading: Guinness as usual.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 09:31:39 PM »
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    The Nine disobeyed ..... as ABL disobeyed ..... as Bp. W has disobeyed .... pot calling kettle black .... glass houses and stones ...... and so it goes on ...... and on ..... and on ....

    Well, I understand you. This current worst crisis of the Church is a real mess for sure. There's absolutely no business as usual (*), and we can't do our job from 9 to 5...

    But still Our Lord watches over His Church. The day He says: Enough is enough! -- everything will be perfectly cleaned, like the world was with the Flood. So let's fasten our seat-belts and enter the Ark! ... but wait, what and where is the Ark?

    The traditional Catholic Faith is the Ark. In times of distress like the Japanese Catholics had to bear, this can mean Rosary in the houses.

    Bishop Williamson closed his EC "Deadly Mush" (19 April 2008) with these words:

    But then ... if the Church cannot excommunicate such damaging enemies within, what means remain to her to defend herself? Answer, that is perhaps the most serious reason of all for thinking that only a divine chastisement comparable to the Flood can clean out the present corruption in Church and world. Catholic Tradition is today's Ark. Kyrie eleison.



    (*) My Irish cup containing British tea shows this reading: Guinness as usual.


    In truth, Many SPPXs may soon become Sedes IF Fellay sells out to the Judaized Masonic Vatican, and it looks like he will.

    The real scandal was Vatican 2, the culmination of centuries of plotting on behalf of Jew and Freemasons.


    The Church and Faithful had war declared on them, and so far, we have lost. We are but a remnant and lowly one at that.

    'The World is so rotten today because so many Catholics are Silent'
    It is time to no longer be silent.  We are at war.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 11:32:34 PM »
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    The Nine disobeyed ..... as ABL disobeyed ..... as Bp. W has disobeyed .... pot calling kettle black .... glass houses and stones ...... and so it goes on ...... and on ..... and on ....

    Well, I understand you. This current worst crisis of the Church is a real mess for sure. There's absolutely no business as usual (*), and we can't do our job from 9 to 5...

    But still Our Lord watches over His Church. The day He says: Enough is enough! -- everything will be perfectly cleaned, like the world was with the Flood. So let's fasten our seat-belts and enter the Ark! ... but wait, what and where is the Ark?

    The traditional Catholic Faith is the Ark. In times of distress like the Japanese Catholics had to bear, this can mean Rosary in the houses.

    Bishop Williamson closed his EC "Deadly Mush" (19 April 2008) with these words:

    But then ... if the Church cannot excommunicate such damaging enemies within, what means remain to her to defend herself? Answer, that is perhaps the most serious reason of all for thinking that only a divine chastisement comparable to the Flood can clean out the present corruption in Church and world. Catholic Tradition is today's Ark. Kyrie eleison.



    (*) My Irish cup containing British tea shows this reading: Guinness as usual.


    In truth, Many SPPXs may soon become Sedes IF Fellay sells out to the Judaized Masonic Vatican, and it looks like he will.

    The real scandal was Vatican 2, the culmination of centuries of plotting on behalf of Jew and Freemasons.


    The Church and Faithful had war declared on them, and so far, we have lost. We are but a remnant and lowly one at that.

    'The World is so rotten today because so many Catholics are Silent'
    It is time to no longer be silent.  We are at war.


    Noone who follows the 3 good Bishops is becoming a Sede. In fact becoming a Sede. Anyone who does so based upon anything Bishop Fellay does would be proving they are led by emotions and not clear logical thought. Nothing Bishop Fellay does has any relevance to whether or not their is someone sitting on the Throne of Saint Peter. What does have relevance is whether or not someone can trust Bishop Fellay, or obey/follow him.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 02:39:49 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay's actions are going to cause a rift in the SSPX, to be sure, in an understated kinda way.  And if there is an agreement, the SSPX will break up with at least half (maybe 75% remaining separated from Rome).

    To accept the sede position wouldn't be based on Bishop Fellay but whether or not someone became convinced that the Chair of Peter was empty.  

    As for the nine, didn't they split over Abp L engaging in conversations with New Rome?  Wasn't that the prinicpal motivation?  

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    « Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 08:10:25 PM »
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    As for the nine, didn't they split over Abp L engaging in conversations with New Rome? Wasn't that the prinicpal motivation?


    The answer is no.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

     

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