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First-hand report from Boston, KY Oct 27, 2015
« on: October 27, 2015, 05:11:13 PM »
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  • From the mailbag:

    (Yes, I have permission to post this much of the report. I have permission to send the original letter "by PM" to whoever I want.)


    Hi Matthew,

    Noticed the recent upload on pablos channel.

    [Run down of various seminarians -- names, some background, etc. omitted]

    I did not spot Christopher Doughtery 31(?), the younger brother of Martin Doughtery alias Manuel Chavez. Chris is the year one seminarian. Chris is, if he's still in Kentucky and I think he is because his brother Martin is always showing up for weeks at a time doing intel gathering for pablo when sent around the country by plane. Martin is in his early to mid thirties. He has no kids and no wife. He spends his own money at the seminary. I'll give you an example: roman diurnals 1962 for the chapel for all the seminarians. He does not do the blue collar Manualia [manual labor]. Blue collar manualia is what the seminarians do. This fact reinforces what I said: he is around Boston and is sent on intel gatherings by pablo. He is on your board now diffusing the bombs at an attempt at damage control with his smooth talking. Chistopher Doughtery is in pablos words another son. Santiago Hernandez and Christopher Doughtery are of the same age.

    If Chris is still in Kentucky, and I believe that he is, then he is the sole remaining first year seminarian. There were only two of them last year. That other one, A.S. of Minnesota, 18, is now in France with Bishop Faure. Anthony left Kentucky because it is not Roman Catholic.

    The other cassock wearing people in the video. No I do not recognize them. Not one of them are from the previous school years. There are only two seminarians from previous years: 2nd year B. the son of TradFly and 3rd year Chris Doughtery.

    Paula Haigh. Do you know who this person was and what she meant to Father Pfeiffer?

    She was the All Spark for Father Joseph Pfeiffer. She was a school teacher with advanced theology degrees. Yes, a Joseph Pfeiffer was one of her students.

    Geocentrism, the Galileo Affair, Father Athanasius Kircher, SJ. Heavy, and I repeat, a heavy emphasis on this point in time, the first half of the 17th century. Everything and anything in the classroom revolves around this point in time. Philosophy and Theology must conform to Father Pfeiffer's views on the this exact point in time: the first half of the 17th Century. The priest of the 17th century, the last Medieval Man, German Father Athanasius Kircher, SJ is eerily similar to his French cousin of the 20th Century, Father Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, SJ. If you know anything about Father Teilhard de Chardin, SJ and his pursuit to synthesize all knowledge, from the perfect knowledge in the Garden and all the way down to modern man, then you will already have an idea who Father Athanasius Kircher, SJ was and what he did in his studies. Two peas in Abbot Gregor Mendel's peapod with both peas' hereditary cues the same but with only time separating their gestational commencement inside the same peapod. In other words: the exact same pursuits are found between these two Jesuit priests with only time separating them.

    Are the students learning what the students at Econe are learning? The answer is no.

    The subjects of Philosophy and Theology are meshed together. This is what Father Joseph Pfeiffer brings to the classroom. He said it was on Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's mind to implement this plan of study but failed to do so.

    Father David Hewko is no saint at all. Your message board says it wishes to rescue him from the Kentucky mess. Nonsense. The man himself is up to his neck in participation. His word of endearment for pablo the Amateur Exorcist is: Pablissimo. He uses it frequently and especially so when Pablo comes under fire. Father David Hewko is not aloof as many suspect. He is not naive. He is firmly aware of exactly what is happening on the message boards from his regular intel reports he receives by smartphone sent in and called in by his close contacts.
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    First-hand report from Boston, KY Oct 27, 2015
    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 06:27:55 PM »
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  • "Father David Hewko is no saint at all."

    Well there's an informed opinion for you. Who is this who knows the degrees of sanctity that persons possess. Interesting when we do not even know at any given time if we ourselves are in the state of grace.

    Fr. Hewko is a good and saintly priest. He is naive and always errs on the side of generosity to the point of blindless toward others faults. He has been like this for his whole life. His main fault is lack of prudence and not listening to sage advice.


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    First-hand report from Boston, KY Oct 27, 2015
    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 06:39:02 PM »
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    His main fault is lack of prudence


    How did you come to this conclusion?  Did he tell you this?

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    « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 08:39:43 PM »
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    His main fault is lack of prudence


    How did you come to this conclusion?  Did he tell you this?


    No, he most likely doesn't even recognize it. He is totally fixed on the Faith. It is all he lives for. My family has known him since he was ordained. We have had conversations with his mother, who is actually his aunt. His parents died when he was small so she took the three youngest, and the rest, something like 12 others, were placed elsewhere. She had praise for him over and above her own biological children and told how he was always perfect in his obedience and behaviour, selfless. It is an extraordinary family. One of his brothers was a monk and his sister a religious.
    In everything we have ever observed of him, and as I have said before, we knew him well, he is a person extraordinary for his virtues and love for Our Lord and Our Lady. I have made this point before but I will repeat it now, his problem is that he always thinks better of people than they deserve. He has a soft spot for Mexicans anyway because he dearly loves the Christeros. He especially loves Spain, Mexico and the Hispanic people who have done so much for the Faith all over the world. He often uses Spanish diminutives for many children and those he considers simple souls. Is he wrong about Pablo? I don't know him. But it seems he is causing a great deal of trouble and if everything on this forum is to be believed, he is not to be trusted with youngsters.
    Now to say that Father Hewko is knowingly allowing this Pablo to do harm to young men or the cause of the Faith is to say he is cooperating with evil and he knows it. I reject that completely. Any one who knows him, knows that is not possible. He makes mistakes about people and I admit it. I don't know any priest who doesn't.
    I don't know what the answer is, but I believe he should go to the monks in Silver City. They know him well, he was one of them once and they love him. Everyone who really knows him loves him. He is good and I can't say it any plainer than that. He is in a position he should not be in. He would have been better off staying with the Society, not everyone is cut out for the kind of life he is leading and I do not believe Fr. Pfeiffer has been a good influence on him.
    He is a blithe soul and I am sure that one day he will blithely follow the Lamb wherever He goes but in the meantime... it is said that saints are hard to live with. For his superiors, Fr. Hewko has been exasperating at times, I have seen it. But I don't think any of them ever doubted his goodness, and I don't think they were any too anxious for him to leave the Society either.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 27, 2015, 08:52:36 PM »
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    His main fault is lack of prudence


    How did you come to this conclusion?  Did he tell you this?


    No, he most likely doesn't even recognize it. He is totally fixed on the Faith. It is all he lives for. My family has known him since he was ordained. We have had conversations with his mother, who is actually his aunt. His parents died when he was small so she took the three youngest, and the rest, something like 12 others, were placed elsewhere. She had praise for him over and above her own biological children and told how he was always perfect in his obedience and behaviour, selfless. It is an extraordinary family. One of his brothers was a monk and his sister a religious.
    In everything we have ever observed of him, and as I have said before, we knew him well, he is a person extraordinary for his virtues and love for Our Lord and Our Lady. I have made this point before but I will repeat it now, his problem is that he always thinks better of people than they deserve. He has a soft spot for Mexicans anyway because he dearly loves the Christeros. He especially loves Spain, Mexico and the Hispanic people who have done so much for the Faith all over the world. He often uses Spanish diminutives for many children and those he considers simple souls. Is he wrong about Pablo? I don't know him. But it seems he is causing a great deal of trouble and if everything on this forum is to be believed, he is not to be trusted with youngsters.
    Now to say that Father Hewko is knowingly allowing this Pablo to do harm to young men or the cause of the Faith is to say he is cooperating with evil and he knows it. I reject that completely. Any one who knows him, knows that is not possible. He makes mistakes about people and I admit it. I don't know any priest who doesn't.
    I don't know what the answer is, but I believe he should go to the monks in Silver City. They know him well, he was one of them once and they love him. Everyone who really knows him loves him. He is good and I can't say it any plainer than that. He is in a position he should not be in. He would have been better off staying with the Society, not everyone is cut out for the kind of life he is leading and I do not believe Fr. Pfeiffer has been a good influence on him.
    He is a blithe soul and I am sure that one day he will blithely follow the Lamb wherever He goes but in the meantime... it is said that saints are hard to live with. For his superiors, Fr. Hewko has been exasperating at times, I have seen it. But I don't think any of them ever doubted his goodness, and I don't think they were any too anxious for him to leave the Society either.


    Do you think it's a problem to not to be able to identify one's own main fault?


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    First-hand report from Boston, KY Oct 27, 2015
    « Reply #5 on: October 27, 2015, 09:21:28 PM »
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    He would have been better off staying with the Society,


    I do not know him very well, but I suspect that he would still be with them had they not pushed him out.

    I don't think less of him for being loyal to the group he's committed himself to, but I do wonder when I hear him repeat "Pfeifferisms". He should be speaking the truth in and out of season just like Fr. Chazal is doing.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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  • Quote from: ManuelChavez
    The first half of the report is fairly accurate, except for the following:

    I have not gone on many trips for Intel. I did go on one trip last year, and that was to Danbury, around November.

    I cook here, and have done so since Saturday night. I handle the lunches and dinners. It's not blue collar work, but someone's got to do it.

    I don't think I am a smooth talker. I write better than I talk, as writing affords more time to develop my thoughts into a more cohesive statement.

    If you have any questions, comments, concerns or recipes, I appreciate it. I like answering questions, and I listen to comments, concerns and advice.

    A good friend wrote to me recently, regarding the situation at the seminary. I have much on which to reflect, that much is certain.



    No, you were at OLMC in May.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 27, 2015, 09:35:53 PM »
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    The first half of the report is fairly accurate, except for the following:

    I have not gone on many trips for Intel. I did go on one trip last year, and that was to Danbury, around November.

    I cook here, and have done so since Saturday night. I handle the lunches and dinners. It's not blue collar work, but someone's got to do it.

    I don't think I am a smooth talker. I write better than I talk, as writing affords more time to develop my thoughts into a more cohesive statement.

    If you have any questions, comments, concerns or recipes, I appreciate it. I like answering questions, and I listen to comments, concerns and advice.

    A good friend wrote to me recently, regarding the situation at the seminary. I have much on which to reflect, that much is certain.



    No, you were at OLMC in May.


    I was also there in October/November of 2014, in addition to four other trips this year. I've been back and forth quite a bit.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 28, 2015, 05:35:16 AM »
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    His main fault is lack of prudence


    How did you come to this conclusion?  Did he tell you this?


    No, he most likely doesn't even recognize it. He is totally fixed on the Faith. It is all he lives for. My family has known him since he was ordained. We have had conversations with his mother, who is actually his aunt. His parents died when he was small so she took the three youngest, and the rest, something like 12 others, were placed elsewhere. She had praise for him over and above her own biological children and told how he was always perfect in his obedience and behaviour, selfless. It is an extraordinary family. One of his brothers was a monk and his sister a religious.
    In everything we have ever observed of him, and as I have said before, we knew him well, he is a person extraordinary for his virtues and love for Our Lord and Our Lady. I have made this point before but I will repeat it now, his problem is that he always thinks better of people than they deserve. He has a soft spot for Mexicans anyway because he dearly loves the Christeros. He especially loves Spain, Mexico and the Hispanic people who have done so much for the Faith all over the world. He often uses Spanish diminutives for many children and those he considers simple souls. Is he wrong about Pablo? I don't know him. But it seems he is causing a great deal of trouble and if everything on this forum is to be believed, he is not to be trusted with youngsters.
    Now to say that Father Hewko is knowingly allowing this Pablo to do harm to young men or the cause of the Faith is to say he is cooperating with evil and he knows it. I reject that completely. Any one who knows him, knows that is not possible. He makes mistakes about people and I admit it. I don't know any priest who doesn't.
    I don't know what the answer is, but I believe he should go to the monks in Silver City. They know him well, he was one of them once and they love him. Everyone who really knows him loves him. He is good and I can't say it any plainer than that. He is in a position he should not be in. He would have been better off staying with the Society, not everyone is cut out for the kind of life he is leading and I do not believe Fr. Pfeiffer has been a good influence on him.
    He is a blithe soul and I am sure that one day he will blithely follow the Lamb wherever He goes but in the meantime... it is said that saints are hard to live with. For his superiors, Fr. Hewko has been exasperating at times, I have seen it. But I don't think any of them ever doubted his goodness, and I don't think they were any too anxious for him to leave the Society either.


    I agree with most of what you have written here. I hold the Sedevacant position and Father knows me well. I say without hesitation that Father is one of the finest priests I have ever known!

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    « Reply #9 on: October 28, 2015, 06:34:04 AM »
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  • Pilar,

    If you know Fr Hewko as well as you say then it's imperative that you contact him and beg him to leave that place and stop harming the souls of children with his defense of Moran & Hernandez.  Families have left OLMC over these scandals because the children need to be protected.  

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    « Reply #10 on: October 28, 2015, 10:29:05 AM »
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    If you know Fr Hewko as well as you say then it's imperative that you contact him and beg him to leave that place and stop harming the souls of children with his defense of Moran & Hernandez. Families have left OLMC over these scandals because the children need to be protected.


    Exactly!  Forget the "He is one of the finest priests I have ever known" baloney!  


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    [I agree with most of what you have written here. I hold the Sedevacant position and Father knows me well. I say without hesitation that Father is one of the finest priests I have ever known!

    Recusant,

    I think people reading this would assume you're the editor of 'The Recusant' magazine and website - but he's not sedevacantist. So can you confirm you're not him?

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    [I agree with most of what you have written here. I hold the Sedevacant position and Father knows me well. I say without hesitation that Father is one of the finest priests I have ever known!

    Recusant,

    I think people reading this would assume you're the editor of 'The Recusant' magazine and website - but he's not sedevacantist. So can you confirm you're not him?


    No, I have no connection to the magazine nor the website. And I do think that Father must distance himself from Boston.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 28, 2015, 12:40:49 PM »
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  • One man (Pablo) did this and two Priests are silent while we argue here.

    Remember that. Always.

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    His main fault is lack of prudence


    How did you come to this conclusion?  Did he tell you this?


    No, he most likely doesn't even recognize it. He is totally fixed on the Faith. It is all he lives for. My family has known him since he was ordained. We have had conversations with his mother, who is actually his aunt. His parents died when he was small so she took the three youngest, and the rest, something like 12 others, were placed elsewhere. She had praise for him over and above her own biological children and told how he was always perfect in his obedience and behaviour, selfless. It is an extraordinary family. One of his brothers was a monk and his sister a religious.
    In everything we have ever observed of him, and as I have said before, we knew him well, he is a person extraordinary for his virtues and love for Our Lord and Our Lady. I have made this point before but I will repeat it now, his problem is that he always thinks better of people than they deserve. He has a soft spot for Mexicans anyway because he dearly loves the Christeros. He especially loves Spain, Mexico and the Hispanic people who have done so much for the Faith all over the world. He often uses Spanish diminutives for many children and those he considers simple souls. Is he wrong about Pablo? I don't know him. But it seems he is causing a great deal of trouble and if everything on this forum is to be believed, he is not to be trusted with youngsters.
    Now to say that Father Hewko is knowingly allowing this Pablo to do harm to young men or the cause of the Faith is to say he is cooperating with evil and he knows it. I reject that completely. Any one who knows him, knows that is not possible. He makes mistakes about people and I admit it. I don't know any priest who doesn't.
    I don't know what the answer is, but I believe he should go to the monks in Silver City. They know him well, he was one of them once and they love him. Everyone who really knows him loves him. He is good and I can't say it any plainer than that. He is in a position he should not be in. He would have been better off staying with the Society, not everyone is cut out for the kind of life he is leading and I do not believe Fr. Pfeiffer has been a good influence on him.
    He is a blithe soul and I am sure that one day he will blithely follow the Lamb wherever He goes but in the meantime... it is said that saints are hard to live with. For his superiors, Fr. Hewko has been exasperating at times, I have seen it. But I don't think any of them ever doubted his goodness, and I don't think they were any too anxious for him to leave the Society either.

    There is a problem with this line of argumentation and it has nothing to do with Fr. Hewko specifically.  It presumes that once good, always good. No soul is confirmed in goodness in this life and any of us can, at any moment, fall, and fall far.  Priests and prelates are, in general, at greater risk of a fall because the devil desires their souls all the more.  Therefore, the fact that Father Hewko was a good and holy priest back in 2012 is not a valid argument that he must remain so today.  Nevertheless, I hope you are correct.