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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 05:42:38 PM »
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  • Absolutely unbelievable! Thanks for posting this.

    I would spend my free time translating this, but someone else can do it.

    All the non-Catholic ignorant xenophobes trolling around here accuse me of not being a native English speaker enough because of my user name. They can get a google translation, for what that's worth.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 02:45:44 AM »
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    Absolutely unbelievable! Thanks for posting this.

    I would spend my free time translating this, but someone else can do it.




    What's really funny is hearing +F give his whiney excuses in his recent Syracuse conference saying that the devil is to blame for so many priests being expelled, and even a bishop.  And the lemmings in the audience sat still and took that crap.  Unbelievable.  "The devil made me do it" would be closer to the truth.  

    That would make a great cartoon:  



    (Headstone)      


    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX  

    Non Fuit Mea Culpa - Diabolus Fecit Ut Id Facerem  
     



    It Was Not My Fault - The Devil Made Me Do It


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    « Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 10:34:39 AM »
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    Absolutely unbelievable! Thanks for posting this.

    I would spend my free time translating this, but someone else can do it.




    What's really funny is hearing +F give his whiney excuses in his recent Syracuse conference saying that the devil is to blame for so many priests being expelled, and even a bishop.  And the lemmings in the audience sat still and took that crap.  Unbelievable.  "The devil made me do it" would be closer to the truth.  

    That would make a great cartoon:  



    (Headstone)      


    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX  

    Non Fuit Mea Culpa - Diabolus Fecit Ut Id Facerem  
     



    It Was Not My Fault - The Devil Made Me Do It


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    Who would of thought that it would've came to this? A public heretic in a position of power in the Society tells Fr. Faure that he must "turn himself into" a retreat house in Chile within two weeks. What a joke. Could you imagine if this would've happened in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre? Incredible.

    How long until they're threatening other good priest and coercing them to say the Novus Ordo?
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #4 on: July 04, 2014, 12:05:22 PM »
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  •  Fr. FAURE'S MESSAGE

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    Dear Friends:

    Thanks for the news and prayers.


    The man silent, accepts: Non possumus! I do not want to have any part nullam partem with the traitors at the time of delivery the work of Archbishop Lefebvre to the modernists of Rome, that is occupy until the time appointed by God to destroy them and liberate the Church of the Father of lies whose tongue is twice as vipers, good image of the word of double meaning, ambiguity, handling as "subtle" and so grievously of someone that you know well and his friends.

    May God Our Lord and His Blessed Mother, Keeper of the Faith, keep us the greatest sin against the Faith

    Father Faure.

    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2014/07/mensaje-del-rp-faure.html


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    « Reply #5 on: July 04, 2014, 01:01:04 PM »
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  • God blues Fr. Faure who is no coward like the deniers of Christ and the gospel.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #6 on: July 05, 2014, 02:57:12 AM »
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    Absolutely unbelievable! Thanks for posting this.

    I would spend my free time translating this, but someone else can do it.




    What's really funny is hearing +F give his whiney excuses in his recent Syracuse conference saying that the devil is to blame for so many priests being expelled, and even a bishop.  And the lemmings in the audience sat still and took that crap.  Unbelievable.  "The devil made me do it" would be closer to the truth.  

    That would make a great cartoon:  



    (Headstone)      


    Bishop Bernard Fellay, SSPX  

    Non Fuit Mea Culpa - Diabolus Fecit Ut Id Facerem  
     



    It Was Not My Fault - The Devil Made Me Do It


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    .



    Who would have thought that it would've come to this? A public heretic in a position of power in the Society tells Fr. Faure that he must "turn himself into" a retreat house in Chile within two weeks. What a joke.

    Could you imagine if this would've happened in the days of Archbishop Lefebvre? Incredible.

    How long until they're threatening other good priests and coercing them to say the Novus Ordo?



    This needs to be asked.  Get the Fellayites on record saying that's never going to happen.  Ask them why not, and write down their answers.  Ask them to sign the copy, agreeing that's what they said.  Then in a year or two, let's see if they still think that way.  

    I say they're not even aware of how their outlook is changing, and what they think is impossible today will be no big deal tomorrow.  It should be docuмented.  


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    « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2014, 08:32:00 AM »
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    Absolutely unbelievable! Thanks for posting this.

    I would spend my free time translating this, but someone else can do it.

    All the non-Catholic ignorant xenophobes trolling around here accuse me of not being a native English speaker enough because of my user name. They can get a google translation, for what that's worth.


    Centroamerica and any other translators,

    You should go ahead and translate this despite the xenophobes. We translate for the Glory of God and to spread His truth, to keep people who need this information for the salvation of their souls informed about what is going on.

    So please, set aside your own feelings and think of those who will greatly benefit from this information. God only knows if someone will turn from their blind obedience to Bishop Fellay because of something you have translated and posted.

    God bless.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2014, 10:19:45 AM »
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    Absolutely unbelievable! Thanks for posting this.

    I would spend my free time translating this, but someone else can do it.

    All the non-Catholic ignorant xenophobes trolling around here accuse me of not being a native English speaker enough because of my user name. They can get a google translation, for what that's worth.


    Centroamerica and any other translators,

    You should go ahead and translate this despite the xenophobes. We translate for the Glory of God and to spread His truth, to keep people who need this information for the salvation of their souls informed about what is going on.

    So please, set aside your own feelings and think of those who will greatly benefit from this information. God only knows if someone will turn from their blind obedience to Bishop Fellay because of something you have translated and posted.

    God bless.


    Thanks, I agree. After I translate my marriage bans today, I'll give it a shot.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #9 on: July 05, 2014, 11:14:19 AM »
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  • Fr. Faure:
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    Padre Bouchacourt: ¿quién es el revolucionario, aquél que defiende la Doctrina de siempre, que defiende el legado de Monseñor Lefebvre, o aquél que exculpa al pueblo judío del deicidio?


    I guess this is Father asking Fr. Bouchachourt: "Who is the (real) revolutionary, the one who defends the ageless Teaching (of the Church), and who defends the legacy of Msgr. Lefebvre; or the one, (like yourself), who exculpates the Jєωιѕн people from (the guilt) of Deicide?"

    Fr. Faure sounds like a priest whom Bp. Williamson should consider consecrating to the Episcopacy, IMO.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 05, 2014, 01:04:56 PM »
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  • Rev. Fr. Michel Faure received his first canonical admonition today from Fr. Bouchacourt.

    Effectively, the impenitent denier of the deicide committed by the Jєωιѕн people is now Pontius Pilate to Fr. Faure.

    Fr. Faure has only denounced the liberal deviations and treasons coming from Menzingen and remained true to his duties as a Shepard of souls. Our Lord spoke very well when saying that "they will put you of the ѕуηαgσgυєs"-St. John 16:2

    Fr. Bouchacourt: Who is a revolutionary, he who defends the ageless doctrine while defending the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, or he who attempts to exonerate the Jєωιѕн people from the crime of deicide?


    [the letter heading and the letter begins]

    Dear Rev. Father,

    Being responsible for the territory [district] where you have resided and exercised your ministry as a member of our Society until recent times, I am obliged to inform you of this first canonical admonition required by the law and fair governance of all clerical institutions, in order to establish the reproachable facts, reminding you of your acquired obligations and asking you to return to your priestly family without delay, avoiding the painful and inevitable canonical consequences that will result should you insist on remaining in your current situation.

    For exceptional reasons that are known to us, you were permitted for many years to exercise your priestly ministry in Paraguay, practically in solitude, maintaining juridical and fraternal bonds not only in the La Reja seminary but also in the South American District.

    On February 2nd, 2013 a declaration of several priests, you amongst them, was made public on the internet and was received and interpreted as an open attack on the authority of the Superior General. After this date, you began an irregular ministry, independent of the Society, making yourself an addition to the so-called "resistance" led by other priests who have left the Society.

    Since then there have been numerous public declarations confirming not only your support of this revolutionary movement but your effective and continued inciting of the faithful of our chapels to join themselves to this rebellion of priests.

    In particular, I would like to point out your interview given on the 5th of December 2013 (the one where you gave your biased version of the 2012 General Chapter, including a divulgence of internal details without respecting sworn confidentiality of all the participants), your designation as "coordinator of the resistance" by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson, and the December 22, 2013 communications.

    Also, equally accessible on the internet are many of your sermons, preached from Mass centers without any reference made to authorities and ostensibly in opposition to the legitimate superiors of the Society, a circuмstance that if it hadn't already been known to those who scour the internet looking for your sermons o[n] YouTube, it would soon become manifest to hear in them the virulent criticisms and constant attacks hurled against *your superiors.

    Even though you may have separated yourself voluntarily and unilaterally from the Society and all that that entails, and you are found to be exercising in actuality a ministry independent from its structure, you do not remain free because of this from fulfilling the serious obligations and solemn commitments that result from your priestly ordination and its perpetual oblation [he means here that because he joined the resistance he still has responsibilities like the continual sacrifice of being a priest and implies that by joining the resistance Fr. Faure is not fulfilling these responsibilities as if intentionally]. In virtue of these obligations and commitments, I make this first canonical admonition in conformity with the law, requesting that you reintegrate yourself into the Society, giving you the option of choosing between residence in the Santiago de Chile priory or the retreat house in Montgardin, France.

    A second admonition will follow this one in 15 business days if you do not fulfill the condition required or if you don't make your intention known to abide by [the requirements] as much as is feasible and without much delay. After another period of 15 business days if you have not did your part to conform [to this admonition], the Superior General will initiate the expulsion process prescribed by canon law, considering in particular: 1) that all clerics are obliged to show respect and obedience to their superiors, 2) that the disobedience pertinent to the legitimate mandates of the superiors in grave matters and scandal are the reasons for the expulsion, 3) that the Society's own laws establish obstinacy and disobedience as reasons for expulsion, y 4) that the very same law considers the public dissemination of litigation to be a supplementary [additional] crime. [so this very post now I must consider that Fr. Bouchacourt believes that I am assisting Fr. Faure's "supplementary crime"!]

    In so far as it is sound, your rights of defense- if this is what you prefer- can be communicated directly to the Superior General.

    I implore God and the Most Holy Virgin, dear father, that you become aware of your unjust and false accusations, that you repair the scandal caused and that very soon you return to your priestly family, in which you have been, until recent times, a universally respected member and labored so much for. Tantus labor non sit cassus.

    Fr. Bouchacourt


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    * I translated "sus superiores" as "your superiors". The actual context does not indicate if he meant Fr. Faure's superiors or "the faithful's superiors"i.e "their superiors". "Sus superiores" can be both "your superiors" or "their superiors". I assume that Fr. Bouchacourt knows that although I have attended Society Masses all my life, neither him nor the SG have ever been my superior as a layman.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #11 on: July 05, 2014, 01:06:01 PM »
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    Rev. Fr. Michel Faure received his first canonical admonition today from Fr. Bouchacourt.

    Effectively, the impenitent denier of the deicide committed by the Jєωιѕн people is now Pontius Pilate to Fr. Faure.

    Fr. Faure has only denounced the liberal deviations and treasons coming from Menzingen and remained true to his duties as a Shepard of souls. Our Lord spoke very well when saying that "they will put you of the ѕуηαgσgυєs"-St. John 16:2

    Fr. Bouchacourt: Who is a revolutionary, he who defends the ageless doctrine while defending the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, or he who attempts to exonerate the Jєωιѕн people from the crime of deicide?


    [the letter heading and the letter begins]

    Dear Rev. Father,

    Being responsible for the territory [district] where you have resided and exercised your ministry as a member of our Society until recent times, I am obliged to inform you of this first canonical admonition required by the law and fair governance of all clerical institutions, in order to establish the reproachable facts, reminding you of your acquired obligations and asking you to return to your priestly family without delay, avoiding the painful and inevitable canonical consequences that will result should you insist on remaining in your current situation.

    For exceptional reasons that are known to us, you were permitted for many years to exercise your priestly ministry in Paraguay, practically in solitude, maintaining juridical and fraternal bonds not only in the La Reja seminary but also in the South American District.

    On February 2nd, 2013 a declaration of several priests, you amongst them, was made public on the internet and was received and interpreted as an open attack on the authority of the Superior General. After this date, you began an irregular ministry, independent of the Society, making yourself an addition to the so-called "resistance" led by other priests who have left the Society.

    Since then there have been numerous public declarations confirming not only your support of this revolutionary movement but your effective and continued inciting of the faithful of our chapels to join themselves to this rebellion of priests.

    In particular, I would like to point out your interview given on the 5th of December 2013 (the one where you gave your biased version of the 2012 General Chapter, including a divulgence of internal details without respecting sworn confidentiality of all the participants), your designation as "coordinator of the resistance" by H.E. Bishop Richard Williamson, and the December 22, 2013 communications.

    Also, equally accessible on the internet are many of your sermons, preached from Mass centers without any reference made to authorities and ostensibly in opposition to the legitimate superiors of the Society, a circuмstance that if it hadn't already been known to those who scour the internet looking for your sermons o[n] YouTube, it would soon become manifest to hear in them the virulent criticisms and constant attacks hurled against *your superiors.

    Even though you may have separated yourself voluntarily and unilaterally from the Society and all that that entails, and you are found to be exercising in actuality a ministry independent from its structure, you do not remain free because of this from fulfilling the serious obligations and solemn commitments that result from your priestly ordination and its perpetual oblation [he means here that because he joined the resistance he still has responsibilities like the continual sacrifice of being a priest and implies that by joining the resistance Fr. Faure is not fulfilling these responsibilities as if intentionally]. In virtue of these obligations and commitments, I make this first canonical admonition in conformity with the law, requesting that you reintegrate yourself into the Society, giving you the option of choosing between residence in the Santiago de Chile priory or the retreat house in Montgardin, France.

    A second admonition will follow this one in 15 business days if you do not fulfill the condition required or if you don't make your intention known to abide by [the requirements] as much as is feasible and without much delay. After another period of 15 business days if you have not did your part to conform [to this admonition], the Superior General will initiate the expulsion process prescribed by canon law, considering in particular: 1) that all clerics are obliged to show respect and obedience to their superiors, 2) that the disobedience pertinent to the legitimate mandates of the superiors in grave matters and scandal are the reasons for the expulsion, 3) that the Society's own laws establish obstinacy and disobedience as reasons for expulsion, y 4) that the very same law considers the public dissemination of litigation to be a supplementary [additional] crime. [so this very post now I must consider that Fr. Bouchacourt believes that I am assisting Fr. Faure's "supplementary crime"!]

    In so far as it is sound, your rights of defense- if this is what you prefer- can be communicated directly to the Superior General.

    I implore God and the Most Holy Virgin, dear father, that you become aware of your unjust and false accusations, that you repair the scandal caused and that very soon you return to your priestly family, in which you have been, until recent times, a universally respected member and labored so much for. Tantus labor non sit cassus.

    Fr. Bouchacourt


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    * I translated "sus superiores" as "your superiors". The actual context does not indicate if he meant Fr. Faure's superiors or "the faithful's superiors"i.e "their superiors". "Sus superiores" can be both "your superiors" or "their superiors". I assume that Fr. Bouchacourt knows that although I have attended Society Masses all my life, neither him nor the SG have ever been my superior as a layman.


    Just pecked this away quickly on the iPad. Enjoy.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #12 on: July 05, 2014, 02:03:54 PM »
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  • That last line could've been translated clearer. He is saying Fr. Faure has labored so much for the Society and until recently has been a universally respected member.

    Fr. Bouchacourt seems to think he is more respected than Fr. Faure amongst the Society priests. I highly doubt that.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #13 on: July 05, 2014, 03:27:33 PM »
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  • Agreed. Thank you very much for your services. Father Faure did have a brief response.

    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.ca/2014/07/mensaje-del-rp-faure.html


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    « Reply #14 on: July 14, 2014, 01:07:32 PM »
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    These manifest miscreants just keep digging their pit deeper and deeper.   :facepalm:

    Have they lost all concept of their eternal destiny?  Have they lost their faith?  

    "For these things were done, that the scripture might be fulfilled" (Jn. xix. 36).

    "One of the twelve, who dippeth with me his hand in the dish. 21And the Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him:  but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed.  It were better for him, if that man had not been born" (Mk. xiv. 20-21).


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