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Offline SeanJohnson

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Final Post: A Laughable Clarification
« on: June 26, 2013, 08:09:41 PM »
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  • CI-

    Judging by the nature of the PMs several of you are sending, it would seem I am wasting my time posting here.

    It seems all have forgotten that I was the one who sounded the alarm years ago that got the resistance started.

    One would have thought that after nearly 2,000 posts in favor of the resistance, it would not be necessary to have to write such a post as this, clarifying what should be a rather obvious position.

    How pointing out the seemingly obvious observation that a renouncement ought not be dismissed as nothing before the contents of that renouncement are known made me "softer" in the minds of some is quite frankly infuriating.

    I find it interesting that some would reject the notion of progress in a renouncement, even if that renouncement was a point by point repudiation of the concessions made in the AFD.

    I am disappointed that people seem unable to dislodge this particular issue from other distinct issues.

    Meanwhile, I am spending money like a drunken sailor prepping my basement chapel as the new resistance Mass venue in my area, sponsoring boys for Fr Hewko's camp, and networking with other resistance leaders worldwide to build a communications network.

    Yet for pointing out the obvious, I have softened?!

    Tell me, what would you say of a man who came to judgment before having the facts?

    You would say he was rash, even if probability and instinct were in his favor.

    And the more serious the matter, and graver the consequences, the greater the duty to abstain from judgment until the facts are known.

    I am watched in Menzingen.

    I am watched in Kansas City.

    Yet I find myself in the preposterous position of defending my resistance.....to both sides?

    Incredible.

    I am the same Sean Johnson I have been since the days of Seraphim.

    But this man has always been an honest one, and what I lack in temperance, I exceed in justice.

    No, I will not write off the renouncement until I see what it says.

    No, I have not softened.

    No, I will not deprive even Bishop Fellay of justice in waiting to read this, even if he has not extended that same justice to his brother bishops and priests.

    Every man should be given the opportunity to repent.

    Whether he does or not is another matter.

    In any case, it would seem I have lost the ability to communicate, and see no point in lingering here when my comments are not welcome.

    Pax tecuм,

    Sean Johnson

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 08:26:36 PM »
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  • A Final Post.  Just what the devil doctor ordered.  

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    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42


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    « Reply #2 on: June 26, 2013, 08:29:18 PM »
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  • Sean,

    Other than your boneheaded comments about sedevacantists a while back, I have enjoyed your posts, and respect you as a Catholic gentleman.

    All the best to you.
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    « Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 08:42:23 PM »
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #4 on: June 26, 2013, 08:46:47 PM »
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    How pointing out the seemingly obvious observation that a renouncement ought not be dismissed as nothing before the contents of that renouncement are known


    Sean,
    I don't think you've changed, but I do at this point think that you're waiting for something that doesn't exist. What is it that makes you believe that there is more to what Bishop Fellay said regarding a renouncement than the single sentence quoted by Fr. Morgan?

    For reference, here again is what he said:

    Quote from: Fr Morgan
    ... about one hundred faithful then stayed on to hear the Superior General’s talk. I hope to include the transcripts of the important sections of these conferences in a forthcoming Mater Dei. Meanwhile, and with regard to the Doctrinal Declaration text of April 2012, it is important to know that Bishop Fellay stated publicly in Ireland and Britain that he not merely withdrew the docuмent, but that he renounced it. “I said to Rome, ‘I renounce this text; I no longer want to use it as a basis for any discussions, now or in the future.’


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    « Reply #5 on: June 26, 2013, 09:11:01 PM »
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  • [Sean Johnson=quote]I am watched in Menzingen.

    I am watched in Kansas City.[/quote]


    Exactly.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    « Reply #6 on: June 26, 2013, 09:24:06 PM »
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  • Sean,

    Yes,

    That was a good post.

    And instead of calling you Sean or Seraphim, we could possibly call you The Avenging Angel.  Your hand could look like something like a claw.  Wow!

    Do you think that would work?


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    « Reply #7 on: June 26, 2013, 09:34:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Harry Peterson
    Sean,

    Yes,

    That was a good post.

    And instead of calling you Sean or Seraphim, we could possibly call you The Avenging Angel.  Your hand could look like something like a claw.  Wow!

    Do you think that would work?



    The Avenging Angel.  Is that something like The Angel of Death?  

    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42


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    « Reply #8 on: June 26, 2013, 11:24:58 PM »
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  • In any case, it would seem I have lost the ability to communicate, and see no point in lingering here when my comments are not welcome.


    Sean Johnson, what you are saying is not true. You communicate very well and this being a forum of discussion, your comments are always welcome!

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    « Reply #9 on: June 26, 2013, 11:36:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
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    How pointing out the seemingly obvious observation that a renouncement ought not be dismissed as nothing before the contents of that renouncement are known


    Sean,
    I don't think you've changed, but I do at this point think that you're waiting for something that doesn't exist. What is it that makes you believe that there is more to what Bishop Fellay said regarding a renouncement than the single sentence quoted by Fr. Morgan?

    For reference, here again is what he said:

    Quote from: Fr Morgan
    ... about one hundred faithful then stayed on to hear the Superior General’s talk. I hope to include the transcripts of the important sections of these conferences in a forthcoming Mater Dei. Meanwhile, and with regard to the Doctrinal Declaration text of April 2012, it is important to know that Bishop Fellay stated publicly in Ireland and Britain that he not merely withdrew the docuмent, but that he renounced it. “I said to Rome, ‘I renounce this text; I no longer want to use it as a basis for any discussions, now or in the future.’


    Am I missing something? Do you know something we don't?


    As I do not know what article that above quote of Fr. Morgan came from, as context means everything, but just reading what is written in that particular quote, I do not see a bridge to where Fr. Morgan is going to "write" anything more of the such about Bishop Fellay's alleged "renouncing".  

    Read it again.  The important words here are Fr. Morgan's transitions of "Meanwhile, and with regard to the...".  Those are separating words he used to make two different thoughts, ideas, and contexts.  

    In addition, Fr. Morgan just said "in regards to" of what Bishop Fellay had already said about the "renouncing" in his last sentence.  So what is more to say beyond those words he already quoted if it was more important to add to put aside the Resistance, as he is already trying to do?  Nothing.  It certainly would have been an opportune time to state the fact and end it.  But there is no other fact.  That is why he put it into another transition of thought; he is just trying to "end it".

    A priest who is honest, would be honest.

    We have not received from the N-SSPX any honesty of such; only from the True stand-up Resistance priests.

    If there is something else to support this allegation of Fr. Morgan, I have not seen anything, but the opposite.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 26, 2013, 11:37:23 PM »
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  • Isn't this the second time Sean Johnson / Seraphim has left?

    Maybe taking a little time off for peace, reflection, prayer; a little time away for refreshment of the soul.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 12:09:52 AM »
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    In any case, it would seem I have lost the ability to communicate, and see no point in lingering here when my comments are not welcome.


    Sean Johnson, what you are saying is not true. You communicate very well and this being a forum of discussion, your comments are always welcome!


    Sean,

    As I would also agree that your comments are always welcome, and at times enlightening, as with anyone else who seeks out what is true.  I think Sean, if you do not mind me saying in your own words, it would be more of putting into balance your sense of "justice with your temperance".  Would it not?

    You are a soul of "all or nothing".  That is valiant; I would take you with me into the enemies fight any day, and along side in the fox hole; but without the discipline of balance, at what expense is it to your neighbor and to yourself?

    A horse is not with splendor, if it was not for his master's bridle.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 12:04:45 PM »
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  • SeanJohnson, I like your posts. I hope you don't leave. If you do, you will be missed.
    R.I.P.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 12:51:33 PM »
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  • Sean, I find your posts valuable.  Do not let a few mouthy individuals discourage you.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 03:41:09 PM »
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  • No, no, no! Don't leave this forum!

    Your posts are clear and logical. It's good to know we (my husband and I) are not alone in our thoughts with this whole Society mess. You're a breath of fresh air.

    Keep up the good work, and don't let some of these posts get to you.