Author Topic: Fervent promises made on the eve of a great change (Read 2175 times)

Matthew · « **on:** April 29, 2016, 12:16:08 PM »

On the eve of a great change (a red letter day, an earth-shattering change for an individual) sometimes great promises will be made, which CAN'T be kept.

This seems to happen often, and I would grant that the person is just ignorant of the impossibility of keeping his promise, so he's not necessarily being deceptive or malicious (though it's always possible).

Look at Fr. Schmidberger's recent memo. He said that they plan to criticize the errors of Modernist Rome, even by name and specifically. Even if he is sincere, it doesn't mean he'll BE ABLE to keep this promise, much less actually keep it!

Let's just say I've known seminarians who, on the eve of leaving the seminary, make fervent and emotional promises like "I'm going to keep up all my spiritual duties even as a layman", or "Well, I'm not going to run off and get married".

Spiritual duties are defined as: daily Mass (when available), daily Rosary, 30 min. meditation, 30 min. scripture reading, and 30 min. spiritual reading. That's a lot for a layman to keep up.

And the seminarian who promised to "not to run off and get married" was married 16 months after he made that promise.

I think the same thing will happen to Fr. Schmidberger and the neo-SSPX. You simply can't be bluntly critical of the Pope and Modernist Rome when they've given you SO MUCH and you don't want to risk losing it.

It's like a person saying, "I'm not going to become all smelly and gooey after I die -- that's something all those other old people went and did, but not me! My body's going to stay nice and normal -- basically incorrupt." Well, guess what? As soon as that person dies he will begin decomposing like everyone else. It's called force of nature. It's how things work.

TL;DR - What is "Wishful Thinking?"

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2016, 12:29:00 PM »

Agree totally. Propaganda, wishful thinking, +ABL mis-translations, emotional "It's God's will" arguments, threats of sin if one 'disobeys the pope'...the sspx is done. God have mercy on the leaders who've betrayed the Faith. How many lost souls will they be responsible for?

Incredulous · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2016, 12:46:58 PM »

It will become chaotic.
They will lose control of the order.
I'll take bets Bp. Fellay is out as Superior General within 18 months.

stgobnait · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2016, 12:51:07 PM »

Well that's a little consolation,

Croixalist · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2016, 02:15:55 PM »

It's dangerous to believe even a "unilateral" recognition won't have any strings attached. Bp. Fellay lost me with his treatment of Bp. Williamson, especially in that last interview when he felt compelled to wave the old Dino's bones around in order to throw a ravening Zionist off the scent of a perfectly good Catholic statement he himself made about the Jєωs.

Bp. Fellay is good at telling his audience what they want to hear, and when he isn't talking to the SSPX patrons watch out! If my suspicions are realized, he'll stop pretending like he even has to answer to the anti-VII crowd, post-integration. I will never be able to trust Bergoglio, and the Fellay camp isn't saying anything terribly reassuring other than "it's not our idea." Just like that eyesore in Spain, huh?

Well, the SSPX tugboat has been taking in water for a while now. The Resistance is a decent life raft in various spots, but there's only so much it can actively do or forestall. On top of all that there are the Pablo/Pfeiffer/Ambrose/Tetherows making it impossible to focus 100% on the task at hand. We have to keep hoping and praying that the barely visible mother ship emerges triumphantly once again. Regardless of the little victories here and there, we really can't go on like this much longer.

God save us.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #5 on:** April 29, 2016, 03:14:38 PM »

stgob:

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Well that's a little consolation,

I would be far more consoled had he been relieved of his duties 18 years ago.

TKGS · « **Reply #6 on:** April 29, 2016, 04:06:34 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

It will become chaotic.
They will lose control of the order.
I'll take bets Bp. Fellay is out as Superior General within 18 months.

Isn't that what happened to the FSSP? Though I don't recall the time frame, but I remember that the Superior of the FSSP was replaced by Rome sometime after their integration, though I think it was longer than 18 months.

Wessex · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2016, 05:30:26 AM »

'Roman generosity' will be so overwhelming that the leadership will be compelled to launch a vicious campaign against those opposing the regularised status. Schism will its greatest weapon. That is usually implied as part of the bargain and its leadership will not be able to resist cementing the new friendship. Internal purges will then occur removing remaining problem priests from key posts and lots of 'nice boys' will be fast-tracked through seminaries to maintain the numbers. The new direction will be out in the open displaying its full colours instead of being a matter of some confusion. With both feet now inside the conciliar camp, change will be in full throttle and any superior will not be able to hold back the ambitions of those priests spying all those new opportunities within the wider church. The laity .... almost bystanders in this new adventure .... may fool themselves into thinking they have a voice at last in the mainstream and will feel so relieved of awkward questions about their Catholicism.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2016, 11:01:14 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

'Roman generosity' will be so overwhelming that the leadership will be compelled to launch a vicious campaign against those opposing the regularised status. Schism will its greatest weapon. That is usually implied as part of the bargain and its leadership will not be able to resist cementing the new friendship. Internal purges will then occur removing remaining problem priests from key posts and lots of 'nice boys' will be fast-tracked through seminaries to maintain the numbers. The new direction will be out in the open displaying its full colours instead of being a matter of some confusion. With both feet now inside the conciliar camp, change will be in full throttle and any superior will not be able to hold back the ambitions of those priests spying all those new opportunities within the wider church. The laity .... almost bystanders in this new adventure .... may fool themselves into thinking they have a voice at last in the mainstream and will feel so relieved of awkward questions about their Catholicism.

So the SSPX (or Neo-SSPX) follows in the footsteps of the Society of St. Peter. How nice for Communist Rome. Whereas the Franciscans of the Immaculate did not follow this script and see what has become of them. At the end of the day the Novus Ordo is not subtle and is about as merciful as Attila the Hun and Uncle Joe Stalin. The Bolshevik Beast can not change its spots.

RED ROME MUST BE DESTROYED!!!

Incredulous · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2016, 11:14:55 AM »

Quote from: Franciscan Solitary

Quote from: Wessex
'Roman generosity' will be so overwhelming that the leadership will be compelled to launch a vicious campaign against those opposing the regularised status. Schism will its greatest weapon. That is usually implied as part of the bargain and its leadership will not be able to resist cementing the new friendship. Internal purges will then occur removing remaining problem priests from key posts and lots of 'nice boys' will be fast-tracked through seminaries to maintain the numbers. The new direction will be out in the open displaying its full colours instead of being a matter of some confusion. With both feet now inside the conciliar camp, change will be in full throttle and any superior will not be able to hold back the ambitions of those priests spying all those new opportunities within the wider church. The laity .... almost bystanders in this new adventure .... may fool themselves into thinking they have a voice at last in the mainstream and will feel so relieved of awkward questions about their Catholicism.

So the SSPX (or Neo-SSPX) follows in the footsteps of the Society of St. Peter. How nice for Communist Rome. Whereas the Franciscans of the Immaculate did not follow this script and see what has become of them. At the end of the day the Novus Ordo is not subtle and is about as merciful as Attila the Hun and Uncle Joe Stalin. The Bolshevik Beast can not change its spots.

RED ROME MUST BE DESTROYED!!!

You're on the right track.

Notice Father Schmidberger panders Rome for the unique status of "prelature" as terms for the relationship?

Prelature is exactly what the rabbinic Opus dei established with the Jєωsih (Katz) pope JPII.
Opus die is is a diabolocal secret society. A playroom for the children of the devil.

99 Questions about Opus die

hollingsworth · « **Reply #10 on:** April 30, 2016, 12:17:54 PM »

Gosh, isn't it great to be out of the Fellay-led SSPX? Isn't it liberating not to care a nickle about anything Fellay or Schmidberger write or say? We need to count our blessings for having been delivered from this bunch!

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** April 30, 2016, 12:31:23 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Gosh, isn't it great to be out of the Fellay-led SSPX? Isn't it liberating not to care a nickle about anything Fellay or Schmidberger write or say? We need to count our blessings for having been delivered from this bunch!

First of all, I fully detect your sarcasm. As well as your main point.

I never once said I didn't care about anything +Fellay or Fr. Schmidberger had to say. So mocking us for "falling short of our original goals" (namely, ignoring the SSPX) is a bit off base, since that was never MY claim or goal to begin with.

To succeed in not-caring about the SSPX is far from a lofty, desirable goal. That would actually be quite callous and uncharitable, since it would consist of "not caring" what happens to tens of thousands of Catholics. We're talking about letting the whole Traditional Catholic world go to Hell here! How can we be callous and unmoved by such events?

Sure, maybe a lot of the Catholics in question might not be as fervent, detached from the world, and/or well informed as you or I. But they are certainly Catholics and members of Christ's Mystical Body, even if they are objectively weaker than us (more slave to convenience, human respect, worldly amusements, etc.)

It doesn't seem charitable to me to focus 100% on our own little chapels and groups, and simply resign the rest of our fellow TRADITIONAL Catholics to the Evil One (talking about satan here).

No, I think there is still some measure of hope for a number of priests/laity in the SSPX, and even if there weren't, it would still behoove us to keep an eye on things. Like it or not, we Trads are, ultimately, in this mess together. It will affect us in some way (being more isolated, facing greater temptations and opposition from the world, etc.)

Any way you slice it, the demolition and downfall of the SSPX affects us all. By "us" I mean Traditional Catholics. We all have to live in this world. Being more isolated vs. the World will be that much harder for each of us.

Keep in mind that the SSPX is the 900 lb. gorilla in the Traditional Catholic world. I'd love to see some statistics, but I'm certain that the SSPX is #1 by a long shot. The #2 position is probably 1/10th the size, if that. The FSSP is already owned by Rome, so they don't count. They might be Catholic, but they're not Traditional Catholic (because they deny the right of Catholics to attend the Latin Mass without permission from Rome -- a basic tenet of Traditional Catholics).

So yes, the downfall of the SSPX is a big deal, and it would be not only uncharitable, but even foolish to ignore it.

Alexandria · « **Reply #12 on:** April 30, 2016, 12:38:08 PM »

What difference has the FSSP made? I never hear boo about or from them. It seems to me they exist to keep the restless natives quiet and semi-content.

Does anyone here think that if the SSPX goes "home to Rome" it will be any different?

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** April 30, 2016, 12:47:44 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

What difference has the FSSP made? I never hear boo about or from them. It seems to me they exist to keep the restless natives quiet and semi-content.

Does anyone here think that if the SSPX goes "home to Rome" it will be any different?

I agree --

I don't hear much from or about them.

I've heard a few CI members say how this or that FSSP priest has sermons better than his SSPX chapel, and that might be. But still, the organization is compromised and therefore worthless in the counter-revolutionary movement against Modernism that is Traditional Catholicism.

Yes, the SSPX will end up just like the FSSP. It might take a few years, but they'll get there.

Just like our fiat "US Dollar" will eventually collapse into hyperinflation. You can't fight mathematics. A debt-based currency that requires 10% growth every year just to maintain the system will eventually go "parabolic" (a.k.a. go vertical or take off like a rocket) -- go ahead and chart a 10% increase every year and see what the chart looks like. Humans have a hard time comprehending exponential functions; it's one of our unfortunate blind spots.

https://www.mathsisfun.com/money/compound-interest-calculator.html

Fold a piece of paper in half 42 times, and it would reach the Moon!
http://www.iflscience.com/space/fold-piece-paper-half-103-times-and-it-will-be-thick-universe

"Did you know that if you could fold a piece of typical paper 42 times you would have a tower that would stretch to the moon? No? It's just one of the amazing examples of exponential growth given by Nikola Slavkovic in the video below.

Ahh you say, but it is impossible to fold a piece of paper more than eight times. Turns out, like so many unreferenced claims, that isn't true. The record is in fact 12. Still that twelve-fold piece of paper isn't even table height – it's hard to imagine getting from there to the Moon in 30 folds. That's because our brains are inclined to think linearly, not exponentially."

But my point is that
There are basic laws in the universe which never get broken. -- even if we have a hard time understanding or believing in such a change, due to Normalcy Bias or other reasons.