Author Topic: Father Schmidberger Foresees Canonical Recognition of the SSPX (Read 4422 times)

2Vermont · « **on:** December 31, 2015, 11:23:28 AM »

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.ca/2015/12/alking-former-superior-of-fraternity.html?spref=tw

In the Year of Mercy, Pope Francis has agreed to extend an indult to the Priests of the Society of St. Pius X, to hear confessions. Former Superior, Father Franz Schmidberger forsees canonical recognition of the Society as well as greater cooperation.

In a recent interview, former superior of the Fraternity talks to La Stampa saying, "I trust that in the near future we can find solutions to recover full communion."

According Schmidberger Pope Francis' gesture will not be complete at the end of the Jubilee. "Indeed" - says Schmidberger - "it is hard to imagine that this is limited to the Holy Year, nor do I think this is the limit of the Pope's idea. Perhaps at first other similar gestures are to follow. No doubt - it seems - the Pope sees in our Fraternity a force that can be of help to, as many have claimed, the new evangelization. Furthermore, our work corresponds in principle to his invitation to the spirit of poverty. In fact we do not receive state subsidies or the Church-tax, but we live only the generosity and sacrifice of the faithful. "

"If the Pope is really thinking of a canonical structure, it will open many doors even wider for our priests than today." "Especially" - concluded the former collaborator of Lefebvre - "we could work together, according to our vocation, to the formation of a new generation of priests filled with a spirit of faith and apostolic zeal."

Stubborn · « **Reply #1 on:** December 31, 2015, 12:30:42 PM »

Then there is this 5:45 minute long video.

Closing remarks by Fr. Jonathan Loop for the dinner conference hosted on November 21, 2015 by Our Lady of Fatima Church in Portland, Oregon which reviewed the Second Vatican Council 50 years later.

He is saying right there that V2 is the on going cause of the crisis, but there's no meat to what he is saying - I don't know how to explain it, but this manner of speaking about the NO, this "SSPX speak" has been prevalent among the SSPX priests I've heard for at least the last 3 or 4 years around here.

JPaul · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2015, 02:07:48 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Then there is this 5:45 minute long video.

Closing remarks by Fr. Jonathan Loop for the dinner conference hosted on November 21, 2015 by Our Lady of Fatima Church in Portland, Oregon which reviewed the Second Vatican Council 50 years later.

He is saying right there that V2 is the on going cause of the crisis, but there's no meat to what he is saying - I don't know how to explain it, but this manner of speaking about the NO, this "SSPX speak" has been prevalent among the SSPX priests I've heard for at least the last 3 or 4 years around here.

"concluded the former collaborator of Lefebvre"

wallflower · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2015, 02:14:13 PM »

This is why I am always suspect of rumors that they will announce a deal. I could be wrong and they may someday, but honestly I think an announcement would be too abrupt and it would validate certain circles, which they will be extremely careful NOT to do. It would prompt too much thought on the part of the faithful.

It's much more strategic to let it out in little bits. Argentina here, faculties for confessions there, etc... That way it looks much more "accidental", it can be passed off as the whims of the Pope or the waves of Providence, rather than liberal-minded leaders looking for a compromise. The fact that they keep "foreseeing" this and prepping the faithful really ought to be an eye-opener. GREC was the fool-me-once (for me anyway) and now we're into fool-me-twice mode.

There is so much pride in thinking we can run back and be the "heroes" to save the Church. What a temptation! The devil sure knows how to exploit our weaknesses. I just can't believe we have fought this false mentality with the NO-minded (stay in the parish and change from "within", as if a) that were ever successful or safe for your own soul and b) the SSPX were without). And now we are subjected to it constantly from our own leaders!

That's why ABL came to the conclusion that no deal was possible. If Rome were safe to deal with no deal would be necessary. That is the irony of our situation. Once your mind grasps the truth and reality of it, there is no other way that is remotely reasonable and all the rationalizing on the parts of these accordistas -- very pious-sounding rationalizations, mind you -- rings so hollow. Once your mind's eye sees it, you cannot unsee it no matter what pretty colors they try to throw at you.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2015, 04:03:43 PM »

Wallflower,

I agree. Such strategy avoids answering the question: Did you sign the "Profession of Faith" and "Oath of Fidelity" to The pope (the firm "Non-Negotiable" part of the deal)? Leaving their naive members to believe they got "mercy" without it.

Someone ought to ask +Fellay flat out during his next public talk the million dollar question. At least, he will be on record as a liar when the truth comes out.

Pilar · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2015, 09:49:55 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Then there is this 5:45 minute long video.

Closing remarks by Fr. Jonathan Loop for the dinner conference hosted on November 21, 2015 by Our Lady of Fatima Church in Portland, Oregon which reviewed the Second Vatican Council 50 years later.

He is saying right there that V2 is the on going cause of the crisis, but there's no meat to what he is saying - I don't know how to explain it, but this manner of speaking about the NO, this "SSPX speak" has been prevalent among the SSPX priests I've heard for at least the last 3 or 4 years around here.

I listened but I didn't hear what you purport to hear. He said that the novus ordo parishes are a mess and that Catholic schools are Catholic in name only. Maybe you don't like his style, but what he said was fine.

However, I like almost nothing of what Fr. Schmidberger had to say. What kind of "new evangelization does he see when according to the Vatican, we are not supposed to try to convert Jєωs and Orthodox and probably many more. I have lost track of all of the ones we aren't supposed to try to convert.
And this part "we could work together, according to our vocation, to the formation of a new generation of priests filled with a spirit of faith and apostolic zeal." What in the world is this supposed to mean. We are supposed to work together with Modernists who refuse to convert people and only seem to want to agree with everyone and stop "global warming" which is probably nothing less than Hell rising ever closer to the surface. And the term "new generation of priests" terrifies me even more when I consider how they would be formed in union with Modernist Rome. :shocked:

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #6 on:** December 31, 2015, 10:03:05 PM »

Fr. Schmidberger wrote "Time Bombs of Vatican II"

Raphaela · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2016, 04:10:31 PM »

Has Pope Francis given them faculties to hear confessions (which would have to be in the form of a docuмent) or has he just said their confessions are valid, as Rome has always said? (The priests who founded the FSSP didn't have to make general confessions going back years, for example). This looks like a step towards an agreement, using the addition of meaningless dates - to shift the public image of the NSSPX - but is actually a non-event. Smoke and mirrors.

Incidentally, Rome has always implicitly admitted that there is a state of emergency by accepting the validity of SSPX confessions!!

wallflower · « **Reply #8 on:** January 03, 2016, 06:32:48 AM »

Quote from: Raphaela

Has Pope Francis given them faculties to hear confessions (which would have to be in the form of a docuмent) or has he just said their confessions are valid, as Rome has always said? (The priests who founded the FSSP didn't have to make general confessions going back years, for example). This looks like a step towards an agreement, using the addition of meaningless dates - to shift the public image of the NSSPX - but is actually a non-event. Smoke and mirrors.

Incidentally, Rome has always implicitly admitted that there is a state of emergency by accepting the validity of SSPX confessions!!

I could be wrong but my understanding is that he gave them faculties as a grand gesture for the year of mercy. It's like lifting the "excommunications". It's for public show and does not require Rome to admit they were wrong about the "excommunications" or that the SSPX has had faculties all along. It continues the half in and half out of the Church game. Rather than speak out against this our leaders seem to be groveling for more and leading the faithful to believe these are "good signs".

Fr Schm mentions they live by virtue of poverty since it's by the tithing and donations of the faithful. Are finances behind the push for a deal? Will they then receive pensions and such? That would explain so much for me. The groveling and compromising people will do when money is on the line is always jaw-dropping. They always think the good they plan to do with the money will outweigh the negative effect of the compromise. Ends and means.

Also wasn't Fr Schm General Superior for quite some time? I was too young to pay attention to the politics, was he always of this mind during his time as GS too or is this a new mentality for him?

wallflower · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2016, 06:51:15 AM »

Quote from: Pilar

However, I like almost nothing of what Fr. Schmidberger had to say. What kind of "new evangelization does he see when according to the Vatican, we are not supposed to try to convert Jєωs and Orthodox and probably many more. I have lost track of all of the ones we aren't supposed to try to convert.
And this part "we could work together, according to our vocation, to the formation of a new generation of priests filled with a spirit of faith and apostolic zeal." What in the world is this supposed to mean. We are supposed to work together with Modernists who refuse to convert people and only seem to want to agree with everyone and stop "global warming" which is probably nothing less than Hell rising ever closer to the surface. And the term "new generation of priests" terrifies me even more when I consider how they would be formed in union with Modernist Rome. :shocked:

They are going to swoop in and save the NO! Someone in Rome is really whispering sweet nothings in their ears and flattering them to believe they are so essential to this "new generation of priests". They'd be terribly selfish to deny such a grand destiny. "All" they have to do is accept a practical agreement and let Rome proceed without egg on their face... How can such a noble goal not be the will of God?

(All rhetorical, in case it isn't obvious! Compromising principles never gives us the end we trick ourselves into thinking it will.)

Meg · « **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2016, 10:22:39 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.ca/2015/12/alking-former-superior-of-fraternity.html?spref=tw

In the Year of Mercy, Pope Francis has agreed to extend an indult to the Priests of the Society of St. Pius X, to hear confessions. Former Superior, Father Franz Schmidberger forsees canonical recognition of the Society as well as greater cooperation.

In a recent interview, former superior of the Fraternity talks to La Stampa saying, "I trust that in the near future we can find solutions to recover full communion."

According Schmidberger Pope Francis' gesture will not be complete at the end of the Jubilee. "Indeed" - says Schmidberger - "it is hard to imagine that this is limited to the Holy Year, nor do I think this is the limit of the Pope's idea. Perhaps at first other similar gestures are to follow. No doubt - it seems - the Pope sees in our Fraternity a force that can be of help to, as many have claimed, the new evangelization. Furthermore, our work corresponds in principle to his invitation to the spirit of poverty. In fact we do not receive state subsidies or the Church-tax, but we live only the generosity and sacrifice of the faithful. "

"If the Pope is really thinking of a canonical structure, it will open many doors even wider for our priests than today." "Especially" - concluded the former collaborator of Lefebvre - "we could work together, according to our vocation, to the formation of a new generation of priests filled with a spirit of faith and apostolic zeal."

Fr. Schmidberger says above..."Furthermore, our work corresponds in principle to his invitation to the spirit of poverty. In fact we do not receive state subsidies or the Church-tax, but we live only on the generosity and sacrifice of the faithful."
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Well, the Franciscans of the Immaculate also lived a spirit of poverty - and look what happened to them.

It seems that Fr. Schmidberger speaks only favorably of the Jubilee.

However, according the Dominicans of Avrille.....

"The Jubilee of the Year of Mercy is tainted by the following circuмstances:

- the date of the Jubilee has been chosen to celebrate the 50 years of the Council and
- the "mercy" that Pope Francis advocates is a lax mercy which leads to sin."

http://www.dominicansavrille.us/should-we-participate-in-the-jubilee-of-mercy/

Raphaela · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2016, 03:01:40 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

Also wasn't Fr Schm General Superior for quite some time? I was too young to pay attention to the politics, was he always of this mind during his time as GS too or is this a new mentality for him?

Fr Schmidberger was elected "Superior General in waiting' at the General Chapterof the Society in July 1982, to take office when Archbishop Lefebvre decided to retire. The Archbishop did that in Jan or Feb 1983, taking the name of 'Founder of the Society' and Fr Schmidberger took office then.

He was replaced by Bishop Fellay in 1994 when his 12-year term of office expired.