Quote from: Cronier

My point still stands as before:

At the forefront of our minds we should say to ourselves, "Were I to die at this very moment would I die in the state of grace?"  If we harbor ill will toward anyone we most certainly are not in the state of grace.  How much more does this apply if we harbor anger, ill-will toward a priest and/or bishop?  Many traditional examinations of consciences list the deriding of a priest, religious, or bishop as a sin against the 4th commandant.  It is also most assuredly a sacrilege because these men are consecrated to God.  

Please, everyone, let us all keep death in mind so that we can keep from sinning, in word, thought or deed.  

Are you a priest of the SSPX?

No.  I am a woman.

Quote from: John Grace

Quote from: Cronier

My point still stands as before:

At the forefront of our minds we should say to ourselves, "Were I to die at this very moment would I die in the state of grace?"  If we harbor ill will toward anyone we most certainly are not in the state of grace.  How much more does this apply if we harbor anger, ill-will toward a priest and/or bishop?  Many traditional examinations of consciences list the deriding of a priest, religious, or bishop as a sin against the 4th commandant.  It is also most assuredly a sacrilege because these men are consecrated to God.  

Please, everyone, let us all keep death in mind so that we can keep from sinning, in word, thought or deed.  

Are you a priest of the SSPX?

No.  I am a woman.

A heavy bomber. Good. Whilst the women folk should be aware of the ongoing matters within the SSPX, they should not get involved in the fist fight.

Quote from: Columba

Quote from: Cronier

If we harbor ill will toward anyone we most certainly are not in the state of grace.  How much more does this apply if we harbor anger, ill-will toward a priest and/or bishop?

Is it ill-will to falsely describe resistance to error as lack of charity?

Ill-will is defined as hostility, enmity, antagonism towards another person.  Some of the attitudes displayed on this forum fit this definition, whether that be towards the SSPX, it's priests, bishops, or fellow Catholics.  

Agreed. I was called a 'wacko' and on Catholic Truth (Scotland) certain folk are writing terrible things about Bishop Williamson and Fr Morgan.

'Athanasius' alleges he was assaulted by Fr Morgan in a sacristy.

Some of those folk in Scotland allege names were added to a petition letter without consent of people. The reality is concerned laity wrote a valid letter to Bishop Fellay.

My point still stands as before:

At the forefront of our minds we should say to ourselves, "Were I to die at this very moment would I die in the state of grace?"  If we harbor ill will toward anyone we most certainly are not in the state of grace.  How much more does this apply if we harbor anger, ill-will toward a priest and/or bishop?  Many traditional examinations of consciences list the deriding of a priest, religious, or bishop as a sin against the 4th commandant.  It is also most assuredly a sacrilege because these men are consecrated to God.  

Please, everyone, let us all keep death in mind so that we can keep from sinning, in word, thought or deed.  

"In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin". (Ecclesiasticus 7:40).

What you wrote above is true, and this is something we have to be careful about, since we are to pray even for our enemies. This is why I keep saying that it matters not who wrote something, but what he wrote, the content, the errors, of what is written.

Your point is understood, now where exactly is anyone harboring ill will to anyone?

Quote from: TinkerBell

I hope that those who are so critical of the SSPX priests and its leadership are not hypocrites who attend their Masses and receive their sacraments.  In other words, do you use the priests you so disdain as sacramental vending machines while anonymously trashing them in a public forum?  

Tinkerbell...





Please shut-up and go put some clothes on.

Your name represents a bad Disney icon, that of an improperly dressed young woman, who has scandalized children for decades.

Whilst I agree with you telling 'Tinkerbell' to cover up, all I will do for the other 'Tinkerbell' is pray for her. She obviously believes Fr Rostand. God may give her the grace to see the light.

Quote from: TinkerBell

I hope that those who are so critical of the SSPX priests and its leadership are not hypocrites who attend their Masses and receive their sacraments.  In other words, do you use the priests you so disdain as sacramental vending machines while anonymously trashing them in a public forum?  

Please explain yourself.

We started the trad community as an independent chapel and paid for the building and all of its contents, and built up the community, and even later paid for the SSPX priests in the seminary. Then we turned over EVERYTHING we owned in exchange for a priest flying in once a week.

If we are hypocrites, then the neo-SSPX are thieves. An inheritor that throws out his benefactor, is the lowest form of creature, not worthy to even be called a human being.

Bowler,
Providing for the material means of the church is one of the 5 precepts which are required of all Catholics   How much you provide is up to you.  But it is required of you as a Catholic, continously.  It's not a one off event.  As long as you are a Catholic you are duty bound to provide for the material needs of the Church.  The SSPX is part of the Church.  

The SSPX is a unique situation, not comparable with any other diocene church, for they were given the properties, contents, and parishioners, EVERYTHING, in exchange for a priest flying in once a week. They built practically nothing. Now, they are throwing out the very people who gave them everything, just for disagreeing with them. That is called lack of charity, and theft. They did not build the chapels, they were given to them, and now they are throwing out the very people who built them.

My local diocene church was built by the diocese with money from who knows where, way back when. All I have to do is show up for mass and put money in the basket and go home.

Your comment might apply to the new SSPXers that showed up one day after everything was in place, and now just put money in the basket.



 

Quote from: John Grace

Cronier,

Out of interest can we get your opinion on 'Krahgate' and other happenings in the SSPX before making further statements. Not everybody is on the same page but interesting to see where you are coming from?

What are your thoughts on the Zionist hand in the 'pious union'? The expulsion of the priest chosen personally by Archbishop Lefebvre?

I don't keep up with that.  That has absolutely no bearing on my day to day Catholic life at all.  I read the interview with Mr. Krah in the Remnant and I have no reason to doubt him.  I'm interested in battling myself and my own "demons" not those of Mr. Krah.  I already quoted Archbishop Lefebvre on another thread how he felt any apostolate should be run like a secular business and that a "fruitful apostolate" should take advantage of all benefits that Providence sends their way.  

So then you say +Williamson is lying then? Because that's what Krah says implicitly. He also defended the mini-skirt. And do you agree that the SSPX should not be anti-Semitic, as he defines it (i.e., anti-Judaic)? IF you say Krah has given no reason to doubt him, you in effect call those who doubt him "illwilled" implicitly, IMHO.

I don't keep up with it.   I have no idea what you are referring to in regards to Bishop Williamson.  I have only read this stuff in passing.  I've perused it.  Nothing more.  I certainly have no idea about any Zionist "hands" in the SSPX.  Why?  Because it is beyond my "duties of state."  Period. And to be blunt, none of this pays my rent at the end of the day.  I still have duties and work and keeping up with these two issues is not included in either of those (duties and work).  It's just that simple.  

Life is hard enough.  I don't go looking for extra drama.  Not to mention, once again, to do so would distract from my true goal, which is to get to heaven with a soul in the state of grace and in the process bring many to the Catholic Faith by my example.  I can't do that with a mind full of angst and a heart full of animosity.  That is my position, that is where I stand on the matter.  I hope that clears things up.    

Speaking of work, I must go and do just that...