Author Topic: Father Rostand sermon in Saint Marys, KS (Read 15251 times)

sspxbvm · « **on:** December 02, 2012, 10:11:42 PM »

(From the website) The audio isn't the best. (Although clear) The MP3 player skipped seconds here and there, but you can still hear the propaganda and backwards talk. This is our first YOUtube video. Please forgive the inexperience!!!!! What we captured was God's will.We are resigned to that.

They need to invest in a new MP3 player! But it is clear enough. He is calling us protesters hence PROTESTANTS.

More damage control. Probably because of this letter we received a couple of weeks ago from "The resistance"

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2012, 10:33:57 PM »

A complete disgrace to his vocation.

songbird · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2012, 11:18:30 PM »

Question? Did Fr. Rostand read his sermon from paper. We see this with other cultish independent priest who are told what to say.

Machabees · « **Reply #3 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:03:07 AM »

Fr. Rostand’s sermon is once again astounding and flagrant!

Bottom line:

-   Anything outside of what the leaders of the SSPX have to say is just an “opinion”!

-   Everything that you have been taught about “false obedience” over the years from the SSPX pulpits, Fr. Rostand now reduces everything you say to an “opinion”. More than once he kept hammering that anything asked of them is just an “opinion”. Isn’t that a communist tactic, just keep saying it until people start to believe it?

-   Overall in his sermon, he says a lot of something without saying anything, however, implying a lot; just like the “flagrant” article on the SSPX.org "Pastor's Corner: The “need” to know all vs. peace of soul”

-   Also interesting, as Bishop Fellay had called the three other Bishops a mentality of schism – “This failure to distinguish leads one or the other of you three to an ‘absolute hardening’. This is serious because such a caricature no longer corresponds to reality and logically it will in the future finish up in a true schism. And it may well be that this fact is one of the arguments pushing me to delay no longer in responding to the pressure from Rome.” (Menzingen 14 April 2012, To their Excellencies Tissier de Mallerais, Williamson and de Galarreta.), so now Fr. Rostand calls anyone who asks questions -that you are PROTESTANTS- he said this more than once. And we are not practicing virtue when we do not obey the authorities -so you are in rebellion (…).

Translation -do not ask any more questions- submit!

Bishop Williamson has been warning us of this…and to keep putting our trust in the Blessed Mother and Her Son.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:06:50 AM »

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Fr. Rostand calls anyone who asks questions -that you are PROTESTANTS

"Protestants" from the "Church of +Fellay"

Machabees · « **Reply #5 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:07:55 AM »

Quote from: sspxbvm

(From the website) The audio isn't the best. (Although clear) The MP3 player skipped seconds here and there, but you can still hear the propaganda and backwards talk. This is our first YOUtube video. Please forgive the inexperience!!!!! What we captured was God's will.We are resigned to that.

They need to invest in a new MP3 player! But it is clear enough. He is calling us protesters hence PROTESTANTS.

More damage control. Probably because of this letter we received a couple of weeks ago from "The resistance"

With gratitude sspxbvm...thank you for providing this.

For Greater Glory · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:18:05 AM »

Sounds like Fr. Rostand is really trying to brain wash his parishioners. Why can't they be honest and admit they want to join up with the heretics? As for me, I want no part of it. I've got a soul to save. Kyrie Eleison

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:25:42 AM »

"My opinion" - here's the problem Father Rostand - "your opinion" is not that of your ordinary.

So who are you to criticize Catholics for following their own opinions on the Crisis of the Church?

Are you claiming authority to decide who is Catholic and who is not?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:32:16 AM »

Quote from: songbird

Question? Did Fr. Rostand read his sermon from paper. We see this with other cultish independent priest who are told what to say.

A very interesting question! This comes to me as a revelation, and it
makes me feel rather inadequate.. I have been listening to sermons all my
life, and have on occasion noticed that a priest will read his sermon from
a printed copy. But whenever I have asked any such priest why he does
this, I get the run-around. No straight answer.

Now, logically, if you put that together, even without other data, one
would think it's not a long stretch to say, "There seems to be something
going on here, but what it is, I'm not quite sure." Well, it's been over 40
years, and I've never asked that question.. Until now, thanks to you,
songbird!

So here are the items:

~ some priests or other speakers use a prepared text giving
a speech or sermon
~ when asked why, they are wont to give superficial or
unclear answers
~ they tend to have a bit of a "canned" expression, as though
it is not from the heart in their delivery: it's not as
convincing as it should be
~ during his first presidential campaign, Obama did this, with
a teleprompter
~ sometimes, when the same speaker tries to speak
extemporaneously, he has a choppy or halting style, as if
he has to correct himself in action
~ whether the hesitation is due to personality or something
else I have no idea
~ sometimes the speaker is part of an organization with a
supervisor
~ supervisors are known to be interested in controlling their
charges
~ when the supervisor then gives his own speech, he tends
to use no script

I shouldn't have to go much further for you to see where I'm headed. In the
SSPX, or any other religious congregation where the speaker has a superior, it is
not beyond the realm of expectation that the superior may want to control the
words spoken by his several charges, such that his preferences or agenda do
not get sidetracked or obstructed, or in the worst case, entirely destroyed.

How does this apply to the SSPX?

Well, isn't it true that +Fellay is attempting to muzzle his priests? Now, when
these priests are getting up to give sermons every Sunday, and +Fellay is bent
on keeping them from saying certain things, how unreasonable would it be for
him to demand that they submit their proposed sermon by e-mail to him by
Wednesday, for example, so he can review it and return a "corrected" copy
cleared for takeoff, as it were?

Also, certain SSPX priests who have been expelled recently are rather well-known
for NOT using prepared texts. Is it too much of a stretch to think that perhaps
the Menzingen-denizens are in a tizzy about that, and say "Na-na-na-na you're
disobedient because you refuse to submit your sermons in advance for approval?"

Edit: almost forgot: +W's ECs were precisely this, unapproved disseminations.

Let's just say it's a "hunch," or, if you prefer, an Internet rumor!

HAHAHAHAHA

stgobnait · « **Reply #9 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:51:33 AM »

i was told by a layperson.... that they had it on (good???) authority.. that if we speak of the 'unspeakable' we will not recieve graces.....

KyrieEleison · « **Reply #10 on:** December 03, 2012, 04:20:11 AM »

This mentality coming out of the sspx may be cultish when describing the complacency of the faithful who adhere to every stupid thing they are told from people like Fellay and Rostand but to call the leadership cultish is being to nice. They act in a calculated slithering way that has every trait of communist tactics written all over it. The people in the pews are the useful idiots but the ones running the show from menzingen have taken up the character of those they want to come under, they take up the characteristics of the enemies of Christ.

The sspx needs one big exorcism. Its mentally and spiritually sick from the top and its working its way down. In the case of the superior its easy to see how he lost it, it happens when someone fights the known Truth-with a capitol T. In his case he fights the Truth in order to get his way.

Lord let MY will be done, that's what his plan has been all along.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #11 on:** December 03, 2012, 07:20:30 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

"My opinion" - here's the problem Father Rostand - "your opinion" is not that of your ordinary.

So who are you to criticize Catholics for following their own opinions on the Crisis of the Church?

Are you claiming authority to decide who is Catholic and who is not?

This theme of "my opinion" and "how important to me my opinion is, and not based
on the magisterium of the Church" starts in minute 11, for those in a hurry.

So, when in the history of the Church has the individual's own personal convictions
been off limits? When have Catholics been told from a priest giving a sermon that
we are no longer capable of believing any interior voice of conscience, even when
all the factors going into that conscience are the infallible dogmas of the Church
and her first 20 ecuмenical councils, and Sacred Scripture? When have we been
told that the official record of what the Magisterium (Latin neuter noun for the
teaching office of the Church, not a person but a thing) has always taught can
be ignored, and that we must only pay attention to the words of someone who
is actually outside the current jurisdictional office of Church teaching, even while
they talk as if they are one and the same as the current jurisdictional office of
the Church teaching?

Please note, not one mention of Scripture or any quote of the Bible or of any
saint in the history of the Church was spoken by Fr. Rostand in this pathetic and
monotonous diatribe. Not even Martin Luther did that!

In fact, our Bible contains words to warn us AGAINST believing what Fr. Rostand
is heard here saying in this abominable sermon, given while standing in the
holy place, as he leaves Sacred Tradition in desolation before our ears, for those
who have ears to hear!!

Where does this presumption of authority come from?

It seems to me that the Menzingen-denizens have become so thoroughly steeped
in an unholy lust for jurisdiction that they are coming apart at the seams. They
are under the false impression that by making a 'deal' with apostate Rome that
they will gain this holy grail of jurisdiction. Boy, are they in for a shocker.

Even if Rome promises them jurisdiction if they only will make a deal, this
promise of jurisdiction will ABSOLUTELY never be in writing, but only in the
hushed mutterings of the spoken word from the apostate Romans, speaking
their "Romanita," then, after the 'deal' has become a 'done deal,' Rome
will tell them that they have to do something more before they get at long
last their coveted jurisdiction. It will always be the carrot on the stick, and no
matter what they do, Rome will never give them their promised jurisdiction.

They will always be subject to the jurisdiction of the local ordinary in all things
of consequence. For the SSPX to have jurisdiction is a MIRAGE, a CHIMERA,
FALSE DREAM, and will soon turn into a NIGHTMARE, and if you think the
monster of Menzingen is ugly now, just wait for how ugly it will become once
its insatiable appetite for jurisdiction is STARVED.

Anyone who can get up in the morning and crave to go to Mass and hear
a sermon like this THING has got to have rocks in his head.

Unbelieveable.

And yes, sspxbvm, you were correct, the mp3 skip every 5 to 7 seconds
would normally have driven me crazy, that would apply to a sermon that has
CONTENT but this one? NO PROBLEM, in fact the skips only ACCENTUATE how
vapid and useless are the words of this pathetic priest, who has become a
DISGRACE to his order and profession.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:30:28 AM »

Quote from: KyrieEleison

This mentality coming out of the sspx may be cultish when describing the complacency of the faithful who adhere to every stupid thing they are told from people like Fellay and Rostand but to call the leadership cultish is being to nice. They act in a calculated slithering way that has every trait of communist tactics written all over it. The people in the pews are the useful idiots but the ones running the show from menzingen have taken up the character of those they want to come under, they take up the characteristics of the enemies of Christ.

The sspx needs one big exorcism. It's mentally and spiritually sick from the top and it's working its way down. In the case of the Superior, it's easy to see how he lost it, it happens when someone fights the known Truth - with a capitol T. In his case, he fights the Truth in order to get his way.

Lord, let MY will be done, that's what his plan has been all along.

Excellent points, KE, excellent.

The SSPX needs exorcism.

The errors of Russia have been imported wholesale into the highest offices of the
Society, the erstwhile beloved patrimony of Archbishop Lefebvre, sad to say.

This is a sad day indeed.

They have Most Conspicuously Taken Up the Character of those under whom
they want to become subject in all things — covetous of their jurisdiction with
an unholy spirit, an unclean spirit of DEADLY VICE, like an apocalyptic MONSTER.

This ROT, that, like a FISH has started from the HEAD, has started to spread
down to the district superiors and from there to the parish priests and from
there to the lay faithful in the pews, is a fulfillment of Scripture, for when one
is given to a HARD HEART, and persists in this abominable pride saying LORD,
LET MY WILL BE DONE, God 'blesses' their obstinacy with a CURSE, and
heardens their heart. For when it is GOD Who does the hardening, the heart
turns totally against the truth, and the Romans One Curse comes into play:

22 For professing themselves wise, they became foolish...
24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart...
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served
the creature, rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections...
27 ...receiving in themselves the recompense that was due to their error.
28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered
them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient:
29 Being filled with all iniquity ... malice ... avarice, wickedness, full of envy,
contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers,
30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of
evil things, disobedient to parents (and Founding Fathers)
31 Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy,
32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they
who do such things are worthy of death; and not only they that do them,
but they also who consent to them that do them.
cap. ii. 1 Wherefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that
judgest. For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself.
For thou dost the same things that thou judgest.
2 For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against
them that do such things...

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:13:13 AM »

If anyone wants to complain about the words I left OUT of

Saint Paul's Epistle to the Romans cap. i.,

let him make a list of those words that I left out,

and see for himself what the Apostle points to as

the end and consequence whereto the Society is currently headed,

and in cap. ii., the means by which the Society might still

have a chance to redeem itself now, and before it is finally too late,

et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.

TinkerBell · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:20:50 AM »

I hope that those who are so critical of the SSPX priests and its leadership are not hypocrites who attend their Masses and receive their sacraments. In other words, do you use the priests you so disdain as sacramental vending machines while anonymously trashing them in a public forum?