Author Topic: Father Rostand sermon in Saint Marys, KS (Read 17272 times)

bowler · « **Reply #45 on:** December 03, 2012, 01:49:40 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

Fr. Rostand spoke the truth in his sermon. The Prostestant mentality is rampant throughout the world. Traditional Catholics, being part of the world, are not exempt. This spirit of "independence" is Modernist, it is American, it is Prostestant.

Here's a repsonse for you from this thread:

Quote from: Telesphorus

"My opinion" - here's the problem Father Rostand - "your opinion" is not that of your ordinary.

So who are you to criticize Catholics for following their own opinions on the Crisis of the Church?

Are you claiming authority to decide who is Catholic and who is not?

Fr. Rostand and Menzingen are Protestants, independents, and everything that they accuse us of. Once they join Rome and are subject to their ordinary, then that speech will make sense.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #46 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:05:37 PM »

So in the end, because we're too busy, we just go and submit, even if it ultimately turns out very bad for our salvation? Seems like the excuse of the English under Henry VIII. Once he was gone, they realized too late that without the Pope they couldn't remain Catholic. They put too much faith in Henry VIII.

miserere nobis · « **Reply #47 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:10:54 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

Cronier,

Out of interest can we get your opinion on 'Krahgate' and other happenings in the SSPX before making further statements. Not everybody is on the same page but interesting to see where you are coming from?

What are your thoughts on the Zionist hand in the 'pious union'? The expulsion of the priest chosen personally by Archbishop Lefebvre?

I remember reading the Remnant article and it lost me. To be honest, I didn't really know what to make of it. Can you provide a brief overview?

Incredulous · « **Reply #48 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:18:57 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

I don't keep up with it. I have no idea what you are referring to in regards to Bishop Williamson. I have only read this stuff in passing. I've perused it. Nothing more. I certainly have no idea about any Zionist "hands" in the SSPX. Why? Because it is beyond my "duties of state." Period. And to be blunt, none of this pays my rent at the end of the day. I still have duties and work and keeping up with these two issues is not included in either of those (duties and work). It's just that simple.

Life is hard enough. I don't go looking for extra drama. Not to mention, once again, to do so would distract from my true goal, which is to get to heaven with a soul in the state of grace and in the process bring many to the Catholic Faith by my example. I can't do that with a mind full of angst and a heart full of animosity. That is my position, that is where I stand on the matter. I hope that clears things up.

Speaking of work, I must go and do just that...

Cronier,

Giving you every benefit of being of the doubt, of not being "informed", when you come back from work, take some time to read the following Catholic Info topic link:

Krahgate (Max Krah interview and analysis)

It came out about one month ago and has received over 13K hits.

Dr. Krah actually initiated it, with Mr. Siscoe's personal interview of him. It was published by the Remnant, Online and at first appeared to be a "PR piece" to put to rest the rumors surrounding Dr. Krah's presence in the top ranks of the SSPX.

Questions from the interview unfolded unexpectedly and dramatically. Ultimately, the reader learns that Dr. Krah is a zionist and that our beloved SSPX has been bought by a $100 million Jєωιѕн inheritance fund, of which Dr. Max is the trustee.

Real Trads don't go to Mossad military bases or claim Israel is a defender of Christianity. I hope you understand this.

Read it and weep my friend, with the realization that we have been sold out.
I invite you to take action. Stop defending the SSPX-Judaized and join the SSPX-Resistance.

Columba · « **Reply #49 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:22:22 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

Quote from: Columba
Quote from: Cronier
If we harbor ill will toward anyone we most certainly are not in the state of grace. How much more does this apply if we harbor anger, ill-will toward a priest and/or bishop?

Is it ill-will to falsely describe resistance to error as lack of charity?

Ill-will is defined as hostility, enmity, antagonism towards another person. Some of the attitudes displayed on this forum fit this definition

Would you be so kind as to provide an example of such. If you cannot provide an example, would you be willing to withdraw your blanket statement.

bowler · « **Reply #50 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:32:11 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

The post right about yours from Incredulous is less than Catholic. The post from Kyrie Elesion, Neil Obstat on this thread are very hostile (ill-will) and antagnoistic. Your own posts calling the SSPX "thieves" shows hostility.

I am willing to give many here the benefit of the doubt. Some of you have allowed your passions to rule you. It's easy to do. But once we become aware of this error (and it is indeed an error) we are obliged to correct it.

What is hostility?

What would you call your son if he trew you out of your house after you gave it to him?

Cronier · « **Reply #51 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:43:43 PM »

Bowler,
You no longer attend the SSPX because you have been 'thrown out"? You have been asked not to come back? I'm trying to understand your point.

Columba,
See my post to Bowler. I cite examples.

Incredulous,
I've read the interview as I stated in a previous post. As to the rest of the information regarding "Krahgate" as I said before I'm not interested in all the "drama." It plays no role in my living the Catholic Life at all. None. As to the money issue, I post for you Archbishops Lefebvre's words:

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“Pastoral work requires organization comparable to that needed in commerce or industry or any other secular enterprise. Why should we use less intelligence than worldly folk when we set about perfecting the organization of our ministry, using the resources which Providence has given us and seeking to augment them to the extent the same Providence sees fit?”
Towards an Ever More Fruitful Apostolate May 1, 1952

I will continue to support the SSPX and receive the sacraments from them. It would behoove us all to worry about the state our souls are in at any given moment. Temptations are many and life is short.

Columba · « **Reply #52 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:04:35 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

Columba,
See my post to Bowler. I cite examples.

Most of your so-called examples are very general. Are you unable to master the quote technology of this forum? The only specific example you cite, that of Cronier "calling the SSPX 'thieves'" is bogus because Cronier's comments were wholly contingent upon whether the SSPX were to engage in actual theft.

Unless you can provide genuine and specific examples, please withdraw your accusations of ill will. Otherwise, you yourself are guilty of baring false witness against your neighbor.

Cronier · « **Reply #53 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:12:37 PM »

Columba,
You are confused. I am Cronier. I cited bowler, KyrieElesion and Neil Obstat. Their posts fit the defintion of ill will because they all demonstrate hostility and antagonism. Page 3 I believe.

John Grace · « **Reply #54 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:13:44 PM »

I couldn't be bothered engaging further with that Menzingen shill any further.

Columba · « **Reply #55 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:16:15 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

Columba,
You are confused. I am Cronier. I cited bowler, KyrieElesion and Neil Obstat. Their posts fit the defintion of ill will because they all demonstrate hostility and antagonism. Page 3 I believe.

This is what I meant to say:

Most of your so-called examples are very general. Are you unable to master the quote technology of this forum? The only specific example you cite, that of Bowler "calling the SSPX 'thieves'" is bogus because Bowler's comments were wholly contingent upon whether the SSPX were to engage in actual theft.

Unless you can provide genuine and specific examples, please withdraw your accusations of ill will. Otherwise, you yourself are guilty of baring false witness against your neighbor.

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #56 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:24:15 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

My point still stands as before:

At the forefront of our minds we should say to ourselves, "Were I to die at this very moment would I die in the state of grace?" If we harbor ill will toward anyone we most certainly are not in the state of grace. How much more does this apply if we harbor anger, ill-will toward a priest and/or bishop? Many traditional examinations of consciences list the deriding of a priest, religious, or bishop as a sin against the 4th commandant. It is also most assuredly a sacrilege because these men are consecrated to God.

Please, everyone, let us all keep death in mind so that we can keep from sinning, in word, thought or deed.

It disturbs me that you appear to be equating ill will with expressing alarm at Menzingen heading in a bad direction. You seem genuinely concerned that someone will die in a state of preferring to defend the Faith over preferring to practice false obedience.

Cronier · « **Reply #57 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:25:18 PM »

KyrieEleison

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This mentality coming out of the sspx may be cultish when describing the complacency of the faithful who adhere to every stupid thing they are told from people like Fellay and Rostand but to call the leadership cultish is being to nice. They act in a calculated slithering way that has every trait of communist tactics written all over it. The people in the pews are the useful idiots but the ones running the show from menzingen have taken up the character of those they want to come under, they take up the characteristics of the enemies of Christ.
The sspx needs one big exorcism. Its mentally and spiritually sick from the top and its working its way down. In the case of the superior its easy to see how he lost it, it happens when someone fights the known Truth-with a capitol T. In his case he fights the Truth in order to get his way.
Lord let MY will be done, that's what his plan has been all along.

Neil Obstat

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warn us AGAINST believing what Fr. Rostand
is heard here saying in this abominable sermon, given while standing in the
holy place, as he leaves Sacred Tradition in desolation before our ears, for those
who have ears to hear!!

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They have Most Conspicuously Taken Up the Character of those under whom they want to become subject in all things — covetous of their jurisdiction with an unholy spirit, an unclean spirit of DEADLY VICE, like an apocalyptic MONSTER.

This ROT, that, like a FISH has started from the HEAD, has started to spread
down to the district superiors and from there to the parish priests and from
there to the lay faithful in the pews, is a fulfillment of Scripture, for when one
is given to a HARD HEART, and persists in this abominable pride saying LORD,
LET MY WILL BE DONE, God 'blesses' their obstinacy with a CURSE, and
heardens their heart. For when it is GOD Who does the hardening, the heart
turns totally against the truth, and the Romans One Curse comes into play:

I would say those quotes most certainly display hostility, antagonism, enmity. And that is just from this thread....

Cronier · « **Reply #58 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:26:27 PM »

Quote from: MiserereMeiDeus

Quote from: Cronier
My point still stands as before:

At the forefront of our minds we should say to ourselves, "Were I to die at this very moment would I die in the state of grace?" If we harbor ill will toward anyone we most certainly are not in the state of grace. How much more does this apply if we harbor anger, ill-will toward a priest and/or bishop? Many traditional examinations of consciences list the deriding of a priest, religious, or bishop as a sin against the 4th commandant. It is also most assuredly a sacrilege because these men are consecrated to God.

Please, everyone, let us all keep death in mind so that we can keep from sinning, in word, thought or deed.

It disturbs me that you appear to be equating ill will with expressing alarm at Menzingen heading in a bad direction. You seem genuinely concerned that someone will die in a state of preferring to defend the Faith over preferring to practice false obedience.

Defending the faith is one thing... deriding a priest and/or bishop which is common place on this forum is quite another.

Columba · « **Reply #59 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:26:48 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

I couldn't be bothered engaging further with that Menzingen shill any further.

You may be correct, but the tactic of inventing moral prohibitions against the exposure facts one wishes to remain unnoticed is a pet peeve of mine. This is the main tactic used in the promotion of cultural marxism.

Cronier's behavior provides a convenient laboratory example of a tactic that has much wider and devastating application.