Author Topic: Father Pfluger Sees Novus Ordo Being Abolished in 20 Years (Read 4752 times)

Augstine Baker · « **on:** May 24, 2012, 02:28:41 AM »

Edit: there were some interesting elements regarding Father Pfluger's April 29th lecture to 'Spes Unica', including the important point that the Holy Father has accepted the preamble as it is written, including the Society's right to dialog about controversial points in the Vatican Council.

It seems to be also that this has been picked up by Cardinal Brandmuller, who delivered some covering fire for the SSPX recently when he said that the two docuмents are not binding.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/father-pfluger-sees-novus-ordo-being.html

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/father-pfluger-sees-novus-ordo-being.html

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #1 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:39:15 AM »

It is not the Novus Ordo that will disappear if these men have their way.

It is the Traditional Latin Mass.

There are plans to merge the A.D. 1962 Ordo with the A.D. 1970 Ordo.

So then the ruination will be complete.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #2 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:40:58 AM »

These heretics would not abolish the novus ordo.

They wish to abolish completely the true Mass.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:44:15 AM »

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But: "In twenty years, then the Pope will do it."

In 20 years, this Pope will be 105 years old!

Augstine Baker · « **Reply #4 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:47:38 AM »

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But: "In twenty years, then the Pope will do it."

In 20 years, this Pope will be 105 years old!

Ever heard of conclaves?

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #5 on:** May 24, 2012, 02:59:15 AM »

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But: "In twenty years, then the Pope will do it."

In 20 years, this Pope will be 105 years old!

Yes, that is a good point, Mater.

These people often seem to live in a delusion that Benedict XVI will somehow save the Church.

Firstly, he has no intention of saving the Church.
He has spent decades working to eradicate the Faith.

Secondly, he is too old.

(Although the first reason - he has no intention of saving the Church - is the real deciding factor).

MaterDominici · « **Reply #6 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:01:26 AM »

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But: "In twenty years, then the Pope will do it."

In 20 years, this Pope will be 105 years old!

Ever heard of conclaves?

He says repeatedly that the Vatican is not with the Pope on this:

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But they would not clearly admit to Father Pfluger that the Pastoral Council was the cause for this
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"that much is in disarray."
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"Our problem for the last twenty years are the Bishops, the theologians and the Universities."
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The Vatican doesn't speak with one voice
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Father stressed that "very many" in the CDF and inn the Vatican do not want a positive solution for the Society.

So, who exactly is going to pick up this torch and manage to become the next Pope?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:05:47 AM »

In twenty years there might not be anyone attending Novus Ordo ceremonies.

Frankly I think it will take somewhat longer.

The problem is modernist trads. The dialectical sythesis.

Ratzinger + SSPX = Latin Rite Modernism.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #8 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:07:35 AM »

It is important to realize that ANY seemingly traditional things that Benedict has done, have been done for the purpose of tricking traditional Catholics.

Also, some of the Vatican II "Bishops" and "Cardinals" are probably genuinley unaware of this charade by Benedict XVI.

Ethelred · « **Reply #9 on:** May 24, 2012, 03:31:22 AM »

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In twenty years there might not be anyone attending Novus Ordo ceremonies.

Frankly I think it will take somewhat longer.

I think it will take much shorter.
Not mainly because of Fr Pfluger's sellout, but because of God's chastisement (not yet the apocalypse, but a nice foretaste).

However, If I think about it, the current destruction of the SSPX by Fr Pfluger, Bp Fellay and their allies could accelerate the arrival of the chastisement... We'll see.

Well, last week or so there's been again massive demonstrations in Italy, where the Vatican is located. Since Italy got a Goldman-Sachs puppet as its new president, the money masters can stoke up "their" cινιℓ ωαrs all the more, by washing out the masses amongst others.
Anyway, the Italian government by a hair ordered the military to crush the demonstrations.
So we're really getting close now to see cινιℓ ωαrs and real wars here in Europe and of course in USA and other places, too. That would be what St. Pius X. saw in his vision about the Red Army being in Genova (North Italy), or what Our Lady mentioned in Fatima about enemy soldiers who destroy Rome and kill the clerics including a pope.

Now some will say: go away with your private revelations. No problem, just watch with your own eyes the situation in our countries closely, and you'll come to similar conclusions: We shall see blood soon!

Bishop Williamson wrote in a private letter, in the end of 2011 :

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In particular, I am told Msgr Fellay does not like to hear talk about the Apocalypse. It is serious. Humanly judging, the Church will suffer even more, with the consent of God who wants to purify his Church. It takes blood to wash away sin, says St. Paul. We shall see blood.

Am I still on topic? Wait... it was: Father Pfluger sees blah-blah in 20 years?
Clearly he doesn't see a thing! The SSPX is lead by blind men.

lefebvre_fan · « **Reply #10 on:** May 24, 2012, 07:26:22 AM »

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Now some will say: go away with your private revelations. No problem, just watch with your own eyes the situation in our countries closely, and you'll come to similar conclusions: We shall see blood soon!

Bishop Williamson wrote in a private letter, in the end of 2011 :
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In particular, I am told Msgr Fellay does not like to hear talk about the Apocalypse. It is serious. Humanly judging, the Church will suffer even more, with the consent of God who wants to purify his Church. It takes blood to wash away sin, says St. Paul. We shall see blood.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

Ethelred · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2012, 10:10:52 AM »

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Sorry, couldn't help it.

I don't know the film but indeed its title sounds like what I meant... :-)

AJNC · « **Reply #12 on:** May 25, 2012, 03:36:10 AM »

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It is not the Novus Ordo that will disappear if these men have their way.

It is the Traditional Latin Mass.

There are plans to merge the A.D. 1962 Ordo with the A.D. 1970 Ordo.

So then the ruination will be complete.

Dont you think that a priority for those SSPX priests who don't go along with Bishop Fellay has to be that they stop using the 1962 Missal and go back to the St Pius X Missal as per their original statutes? Using the 1962 missal would oblige them to at least pass a cursory glance at whatever changes the Novus Ordo make to it. But why should they?. Look where a Holy Year procession in Rome in 2000 has landed the SSPX today!

Wessex · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2012, 07:56:26 AM »

The Novus Ordo is not a fixed point. It was designed to evolve in line with modern notions of 'social progress'. Because of the speed of life and change we are now facing, we cannot even predict the future using straight line extrapolation; an honest method would be using exponential notation with explosive results! The race towards a nihilistic finale could however be the savour of what is left of mankind which will have no other place to go but back to basics. Fr. Pfluger is I fear moving towards some kind of hybridised future for the church; a development of the Novus Ordo project, not its replacement.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2012, 08:30:54 AM »

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The Novus Ordo is not a fixed point. It was designed to evolve in line with modern notions of 'social progress'. Because of the speed of life and change we are now facing, we cannot even predict the future using straight line extrapolation; an honest method would be using exponential notation with explosive results! The race towards a nihilistic finale could however be the savour of what is left of mankind which will have no other place to go but back to basics. Fr. Pfluger is I fear moving towards some kind of hybridised future for the church; a development of the Novus Ordo project, not its replacement.

The Novus Ordo religion is simply going to collapse, in fact, regardless of Church attendance, I would say it nearly has collapsed already in terms of it having any serious effect on the lives and conduct of its members.

The goal of bringing the trads into false obedience is to liberalize trad-dom.

It won't be long before most "traditionalists" believe everything the larger liberal society believes, they will just be going to "the old mass."