Author Topic: Father Pfluger Sees Novus Ordo Being Abolished in 20 Years (Read 5666 times)

Caraffa · « **Reply #30 on:** May 27, 2012, 10:28:57 PM »

Quote from: Augstine Baker

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Telesphorus
It won't be long before most "traditionalists" believe everything the larger liberal society believes, they will just be going to "the old mass."

I my experience, this is this the case with Catholics who exclusively attend indult communities such as the FSSP. They simply like the pagentry of the traditional Mass and they're happy that the homilies they hear seldom stray into the crazyland world they hear at times at the Novus Ordo.

If the SSPX is regularized the same will be the case with the faithful who attend their services as well, I think. There will certainly be no reason to go to an SSPX chapel other than for the "pagentry of the traditional Mass". Frankly, there are not just a few faithful in the SSPX chapel I attend who are already there.

What do you base this judgement on?

In my experience, most of those who attend FSSP/Diocesan chapels are not there out of preference but principle.

I share your experience to some extent Augstine, but it depends on when the FSSP/Diocesan TLM was established. If it was established after the MP, you have a good amount of Novus Ordo Catholics who like the TLM, but still want to hang on to their Modernism and JPII. I have been to Motu Masses where the only thing that is Traditional is the rubrics.

Let me also say that like the current SSPX, the FSSP is more Traditional in America than it is in France and if one thinks that Juventutem is the future of Traditional Catholicism in the FSSP/Diocesan circles, then TKGS point on pageantry seems accurate.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #31 on:** May 27, 2012, 10:33:58 PM »

Quote from: Caraffa

I share your experience to some extent Augstine, but it depends on when the FSSP/Diocesan TLM was established. If it was established after the MP, you have a good amount of Novus Ordo Catholics who like the TLM, but still want to hang on to their Modernism and JPII. I have been to Motu Masses where the only thing that is Traditional is the rubrics.

Let me also say that like the current SSPX, the FSSP is more Traditional in America than it is in France and if one thinks that Juventutem is the future of Traditional Catholicism in the FSSP/Diocesan circles, then TKGS point on pageantry seems accurate.

When I first heard about the Latin mass as a boy I wanted to go (sadly I didn't press harder for the opportunity, though I would not have been allowed to go St. Gertrude the Great at the time, when it was the SSPV chapel) because I believed it was traditional. That is a kind of principle, I don't think anyone denies that.

But principle in terms of understanding why Archbishop Lefebvre had the positions he had, is something entirely different than wanting to go to the Tridentine mass because you want to go to a reverent, traditional mass.

What is clearly unprincipled, is to pretend Benedict XVI is really traditional and has really significantly changed his views since 1988. That shows either a strong delusion or a willingness to deceive.