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"Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXXXVI - 286
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  • Number CCLXXXVI (286), 5 January 2013

    YELLOW LIGHT

    Not all of you readers of "Eleison Comments" may have come across the admirable letter of two months ago written by Fr. Ronald Ringrose to the US District Superior of the Society of St Pius X, Fr. Arnauld Rostand. Fr Ringrose has been for over 30 years the independent pastor of the Traditional parish of St Athanasius just outside Washington, D.C., and for all that time he has been the faithful friend, without being a member, of the SSPX. However in June of last year he hosted in his parish the first meeting in the USA of the nucleus of priests now forming a Resistance to that change of direction of the Society, long latent, but which became clear to all in the spring of last year. As Bishop Fellay's faithful executive in the USA, Fr. Rostand wrote to him to propose a meeting where he might persuade Fr Ringrose that the change was no change. Here is Fr. Ringrose's reply:--

    "Thank you for your letter of October 12 in which you offer to meet to discuss the situation within the Society of St Pius X. While this is a very kind offer on your part and I appreciate it very much, I don't think that such a meeting will serve any useful purpose, since the problems stem from the Society's top leadership, and you are not in a position to change that.

    It is true that I have been a strong supporter of the Society for many years. This support was based on the fact that my mission as a priest, and the Society'a mission were one and the same, to help souls hold onto the Catholic faith during this time when it seems to have been abandoned by post Vatican II Rome.

    Now I have to be more cautious and reserved in that support. I am alarmed that the Superior General would say that 95% of Vatican II is acceptable. I am astounded that the Society's leadership would respond to three of the Society's bishops by suggesting that they are making the errors of Vatican II into a "super-heresy". I am disappointed that the Society's response to Assisi III was so weak and anemic. I am saddened by the Society's unjust disciplining of priests who are following the example of Archbishop Lefebvre, and I am outraged at the treatment of Bishop Williamson -- not just his recent expulsion, but the shabby treatment he has gotten over the past few years.

    Prior to this year, when asked about the Society by an inquiring parishioner, I always gave the Society a green light. Given the Society's recent actions, I do not yet give the Society a red light, but I do give it a yellow light of caution. The red light will come if and when the Society allows herself to be absorbed into the Conciliar Church that Archbishop Lefebvre so vigorously resisted.

    It is with great sadness that I write these words. There are many good, zealous, faithful priests within the Society's ranks. Many of them I know personally and admire. Many souls depend on them. It is out of love for the Sociewty that I fear for her future. I fear that she is on a suicidal path. The leadership may think that a deal is off the table, but I fear that that is not the thinking of Rome.

    I pray for the Society to return to the mission given to her by Archbishop Lefebvre without compromise or hedging. When she does, she will have my unreserved support."

    And Fr Ringrose's letter concludes with fraternal greetings. It is truly a model of clear-mindedness and courtesy, firmness and charity. Long live Fr Ringrose to maintain an incomparable bastion of Catholicism right next to the United States' capital city !

    Kyrie eleison.


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    "Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXXXVI - 286
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  • Quote from: Pablo

    "Lucifer was unjustly expelled from Heaven" (from an Audio Sancto sermon. You look for it).


    I don't think Audio Sancto sermons are from SSPX priests.

    http://www.audiosancto.org/pages/about.php#names
    Who are the priests giving these sermons?

    The priests you hear in the recordings on this website are Catholic Priests, in good standing with their local ordinaries and Rome, incardinated with normal faculties and jurisdiction, and serving in North America.

    So instead of simply firing your Mexican guns without aiming correctly, why don't you just give the exact reference to the Audio Sancto sermon?


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    "Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXXXVI - 286
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    "Eleison Comments" by Mgr. Williamson - Issue CCLXXXVI - 286
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 05:29:47 AM »
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  • How about another shot at this?  



    If it were only the words of H.E. that were printed it would look like this:



    Quote from: Alex117


    Number CCLXXXVI (286), 5 January 2013

    YELLOW LIGHT

    Not all of you readers of "Eleison Comments" may have come across the admirable letter of two months ago written by Fr. Ronald Ringrose to the US District Superior of the Society of St Pius X, Fr. Arnauld Rostand. Fr Ringrose has been for over 30 years the independent pastor of the Traditional parish of St Athanasius just outside Washington, D.C., and for all that time he has been the faithful friend, without being a member, of the SSPX. However in June of last year he hosted in his parish the first meeting in the USA of the nucleus of priests now forming a Resistance to that change of direction of the Society, long latent, but which became clear to all in the spring of last year. As Bishop Fellay's faithful executive in the USA, Fr. Rostand wrote to him to propose a meeting where he might persuade Fr Ringrose that the change was no change. Here is Fr. Ringrose's reply:--

    ...

    And Fr Ringrose's letter concludes with fraternal greetings. It is truly a model of clear-mindedness and courtesy, firmness and charity. Long live Fr Ringrose to maintain an incomparable bastion of Catholicism right next to the United States' capital city !

    Kyrie eleison.




    But this is the part that H.E. inserted, words of another author, and if you
    are an avid Dinoscopus fan like I am, you would know, that this does not
    happen often.  In fact, it happens almost NEVER.  

    So, we are left to surmise that the words of Fr. Ringrose hold a much more
    elevated stature now that they have been awarded top prize for notability.

    Or, should I say, nobility?  I'll let you draw your own inferences with
    that one.  Suffice it to say, that H.E. has offered his episcopal powers to
    those who may make the wisest use of them.......  



    "Thank you for your letter of October 12 in which you offer to meet to
    discuss the situation within the Society of St Pius X. While this is a very
    kind offer on your part and I appreciate it very much, I don't think
    that such a meeting will serve any useful purpose
    , since the
    problems stem from the Society's top leadership, and you are not in a
    position to change that.


    It is true that I have been a strong supporter of the Society for many
    years. This support was based on the fact that my mission as a priest,
    and the Society's mission were one and the same, to help souls hold
    onto the Catholic faith during this time when it seems to have been
    abandoned by post Vatican II Rome.


    Now I have to be more cautious and reserved in that support:

    ~ I am alarmed that the Superior General would say that 95% of
    Vatican II is acceptable.


    ~ I am astounded that the Society's leadership would respond to
    three of the Society's bishops by suggesting that they are making
    the errors of Vatican II into a "super-heresy".


    ~ I am disappointed that the Society's response to Assisi III was so
    weak and anemic.


    ~ I am saddened by the Society's unjust disciplining of priests who
    are following the example of Archbishop Lefebvre,
    and

    ~ I am outraged at the treatment of Bishop Williamson
    -- not just his recent expulsion, but the shabby treatment he has
    gotten over the past few years.



    Prior to this year, when asked about the Society by an inquiring
    parishioner, I always gave the Society a green light. Given the
    Society's recent actions, I do not yet give the Society a red light, but I
    do give it a yellow light of caution. The red light will come
    if and when the Society allows herself to be absorbed into
    the Conciliar Church that Archbishop Lefebvre so vigorously resisted.


    It is with great sadness that I write these words. There
    are many good, zealous, faithful priests within the Society's ranks. Many
    of them I know personally and admire. Many souls depend on them. It is
    out of love for the Society that I fear for her future. I fear that she is on
    a suicidal path. The leadership may think that a deal is off the
    table, but I fear that that is not the thinking of Rome.


    I pray for the Society to return to the mission given to her by Archbishop
    Lefebvre without compromise or hedging. When she does, she will have
    my unreserved support."



    Fr. Ringrose is alarmed, astounded, disappointed, saddened and outraged,
    but in explaining it he gives a model of clear-mindedness and courtesy,
    firmness and charity.  

    I don't know about you, but I'm glad I didn't get that assignment in
    composition 101.  


    See how things can change when you just re-arrange the landscape a
    smidge?


    For a priest's written word to warrant such a place of honor, and for H.E.
    to proclaim, "It is truly a model of clear-mindedness and courtesy, firmness
    and charity,"  one must wonder, what higher compliment could be possible
    for H.E. to bestow upon him?

    "Long live Fr Ringrose to maintain an incomparable bastion of Catholicism
    right next to the United States' capital city !"

    An incomparable bastion of Catholicism!  Right next to the capital city!  

    And "Long live...."


    I don't know about you, but I would be rather eager to have a peek at
    Fr. Ringrose's personal and private reply to H.E. after reading this.  But
    then again, it's really none of my business.  

    Does it hurt to wonder, though?  


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