Author Topic: Father James Doran--December 13, 1998---sermon (Read 1769 times)

sspxbvm · « **on:** January 10, 2013, 08:53:23 AM »

Below you will find short some excerpts of Father's words starting at 15:28. Although 14 years ago his words about the Catholic Faith ring ever so louder now in the current crisis of the SSPX.

Although occasionally inaudible you will profit from the bulk of what Father has to say. You will see, also, why the NEO-SSPX had to remove BOTH him AND Bishop Williamson from the seminary in order to accomplish their current direction. God bless Father Doran. May he soon make an even stronger stand for our Lady!

15:28------- “...which is why, my friends, you spend so much time talking to your neighbors or talking to your friends and relatives and speak about the Faith until you are blue in the face and ready to pass out. And you wonder why with all the marvelous ability that we all possess—each one of us—to give such magnificent expositions of our Catholic Faith and they don’t believe. We must understand it is God & that soul and that transcends the ability to adhere to the first Truth is a gift which God gives which the soul must correspond to --also by grace. It is the reason why not to become long winded with our friends, but to live the miracle of the Faith at the end of the 20th century. And it is a miracle. To be able to see, to be able to believe is a gift greater than any other thing we possess short of the theological virtue of Charity…the highest & (unclear) of all the virtues. But the ability to be able to see at the end of the 20th century is a positively extraordinary gift for which we will never live long enough to thank God. It is also for that same reason that we cannot prove the Faith to our apostate relatives. We must live the miracle and live life in such a way that it were not possible that God does not exist….”

“ …The reason why we are here is God. Not because there are beautiful Churches. Not because we were born in a Catholic family. Not because we like anything that is accessory to the Faith. But in it’s very essence adherence to God is God. The motivation is God Himself as first Truth.”

“ …The more intense the light of the Faith in our lives the more the accessories must pass away…”

"...That our Faith come to be attached to our Lord purely and soley BECAUSE of our Lord..."

bowler · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2013, 09:12:02 AM »

Once one looses sight of what Fr. Doran is saying, or never knew it at all, they begin trying to attract people to their chapels by spending big money trying to make them look like traditional diocene built churches, so as to show people we are no different, look at the beauty. We'll, what that attracts are people that are there for the wrong reasons, the "smells and bells, and we are just like all Catholics, we just like the Latin Mass" types. This is what has been happening at my chapel. Had we remained in our humble old church, we would be a smaller congregation (75 people versus like 125 now ), but it would be composed of real Catholics who know why they are there. The others, they would leave in a minute if we had to go back to the old building.

For every SSPX expensive diocene looking chapel, you can buy maybe 5 humble chapels and serve the serious Catholics, the ones sent by God. The quicker the SSPXers get away from building monuments, and return to the desert/refugee mindset, the faster we will see a return to holiness among the laity, as there was at the beginning of the SSPX.

sspxbvm · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2013, 09:22:12 AM »

Quote from: bowler

Once one looses sight of what Fr. Doran is saying, or never knew it at all, they begin trying to attract people to their chapels by spending big money trying to make them look like traditional diocene built churches, so as to show people we are no different, look at the beauty. We'll, what that attracts are people that are there for the wrong reasons, the "smells and bells, and we are just like all Catholics, we just like the Latin Mass" types. This is what has been happening at my chapel. Had we remained in our humble old church, we would be a smaller congregation (75 people versus like 125 now ), but it would be composed of real Catholics who know why they are there. The others, they would leave in a minute if we had to go back to the old building.

For every SSPX expensive diocene looking chapel, you can buy maybe 5 humble chapels and serve the serious Catholics, the ones sent by God. The quicker the SSPXers get away from building monuments, and return to the desert/refugee mindset, the faster we will see a return to holiness among the laity, as there was at the beginning of the SSPX.

Very well said and precisely why I posted it.

All chapels are infested with people that are there for all the wrong reasons. St. Marys is the worst because it is the largest and naturally will have the biggest of such a crowd. However, every chapel has this crisis.

The Resistance in a motel room or funeral home or a hall somewhere can become saints if they adhere to God alone. This is very possible.

Jerome · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2013, 10:35:39 AM »

Quote from: bowler

Once one looses sight of what Fr. Doran is saying, or never knew it at all, they begin trying to attract people to their chapels by spending big money trying to make them look like traditional diocene built churches, so as to show people we are no different, look at the beauty. We'll, what that attracts are people that are there for the wrong reasons, the "smells and bells, and we are just like all Catholics, we just like the Latin Mass" types. This is what has been happening at my chapel. Had we remained in our humble old church, we would be a smaller congregation (75 people versus like 125 now ), but it would be composed of real Catholics who know why they are there. The others, they would leave in a minute if we had to go back to the old building.

For every SSPX expensive diocene looking chapel, you can buy maybe 5 humble chapels and serve the serious Catholics, the ones sent by God. The quicker the SSPXers get away from building monuments, and return to the desert/refugee mindset, the faster we will see a return to holiness among the laity, as there was at the beginning of the SSPX.

Do you still attend this chapel?

sspxbvm · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2013, 11:36:28 AM »

Saint Lucy's feet. The girl saint mentioned by Father Doran.

PAT317 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2013, 08:55:36 AM »

Quote from: sspxbvm

Below you will find short some excerpts of Father's words starting at 15:28. Although 14 years ago his words about the Catholic Faith ring ever so louder now in the current crisis of the SSPX.

Although occasionally inaudible you will profit from the bulk of what Father has to say. You will see, also, why the NEO-SSPX had to remove BOTH him AND Bishop Williamson from the seminary in order to accomplish their current direction. God bless Father Doran. May he soon make an even stronger stand for our Lady!

15:28------- “...which is why, my friends, you spend so much time talking to your neighbors or talking to your friends and relatives and speak about the Faith until you are blue in the face and ready to pass out. And you wonder why with all the marvelous ability that we all possess—each one of us—to give such magnificent expositions of our Catholic Faith and they don’t believe. We must understand it is God & that soul and that transcends the ability to adhere to the first Truth is a gift which God gives which the soul must correspond to --also by grace. It is the reason why not to become long winded with our friends, but to live the miracle of the Faith at the end of the 20th century. And it is a miracle. To be able to see, to be able to believe is a gift greater than any other thing we possess short of the (unclear) theological virtues, mainly of Charity…the highest & (I think he says "queen") of all the virtues. But the ability to be able to see at the end of the 20th century is a positively extraordinary gift for which we will never live long enough to thank God. It is also for that same reason that we cannot prove the Faith to our apostate relatives. We must live the miracle and live life in such a way that it were not possible that God does not exist….”

“ …The reason why we are here is God. Not because there are beautiful Churches. Not because we were born in a Catholic family. Not because we like anything that is accessory to the Faith. But in it’s very essence adherence to God is God. The motivation is God Himself as first Truth.”

“ …The more intense the light of the Faith in our lives the more the accessories must pass away…”

"...That our Faith come to be attached to our Lord purely and soley BECAUSE of our Lord..."

my edits in blue

sspxbvm · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2013, 05:17:49 AM »

Thank you for trying! I found it to be an amazing sermon from the soon to fade glory days of the SSPX.

stgobnait · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2013, 07:36:33 AM »

thank you again. Its a wonderful sermon, and needs to be read and re read... a reminder to us just Who is in charge.... and all our anxieties serve no usefull purpose, and instead,can lead us to despondency....God bless Fr Doran.