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Offline Banezian

Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2020, 10:05:49 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on January 25, 2020, 09:43:37 AM
^^^ worthless ad hominem

Correct.  Thuc line bishops and priests were ordained with the Traditional Rite that is know to be valid, whereas the Novus Ordo Rite of Ordination is doubtful.
Thuc was out of his mind which makes his ordinations/consecrations doubtful. The fact thst he changed his position over and over again( and assisted at the New Mass while claiming to be Traditional) should be enough.
Every single SSPX/Resistance/SSPV priest I know has said the Thuc line should be avoided. ( at least 5 different priests) Sorry, but you’re ideas don’t hold up when they’re contrary to the views of most non-Thuc clergy
Indon’t necessarily disagree with you on the New Rite, but the Thuc line is equally as doubtful for different reasons 
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Offline Meg

Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2020, 10:06:08 AM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on January 25, 2020, 09:54:56 AM
Honestly its hard to box him into modern day categories.  Most people who today would seriously entertain doubt that the see is occupied would also have demanded someone like Fr. Hesse get a conditional ordination.

Yes, as we know, laymen demand many things of priests, because trad laymen, in particular, now believe that they are in charge of the Catholic Faith. Priests are merely the servants of trad laymen, and the priests must do as they are told. It's not much different in the conciliar church, where laymen (and especially laywomen) are in charge of parishes. Some trads want to have the same control. It's very Vatican ll.
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2020, 11:31:53 AM »
Quote from: Banezian on January 25, 2020, 10:05:49 AM
Thuc was out of his mind which makes his ordinations/consecrations doubtful. The fact thst he changed his position over and over again( and assisted at the New Mass while claiming to be Traditional) should be enough.
Every single SSPX/Resistance/SSPV priest I know has said the Thuc line should be avoided. ( at least 5 different priests) Sorry, but you’re ideas don’t hold up when they’re contrary to the views of most non-Thuc clergy
Indon’t necessarily disagree with you on the New Rite, but the Thuc line is equally as doubtful for different reasons
I’m much more willing to believe that you are out of your mind than that Archbishop Thuc was out of his.  I have never seen any testimony from an eyewitness that he was mentally impaired.  And there are plenty of witnesses who do testify that he was very intelligent and mentally sharp years after the consecrations.
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Offline Banezian

Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2020, 11:36:30 AM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on January 25, 2020, 11:31:53 AM
I’m much more willing to believe that you are out of your mind than that Archbishop Thuc was out of his.  I have never seen any testimony from an eyewitness that he was mentally impaired.  And there are plenty of witnesses who do testify that he was very intelligent and mentally sharp years after the consecrations.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2020, 11:52:48 AM »
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