Author Topic: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP (Read 10302 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2020, 11:54:44 AM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria on January 25, 2020, 11:31:53 AM

I’m much more willing to believe that you are out of your mind than that Archbishop Thuc was out of his. I have never seen any testimony from an eyewitness that he was mentally impaired. And there are plenty of witnesses who do testify that he was very intelligent and mentally sharp years after the consecrations.

Absolutely. Besides that, people fail to understand (thanks to some propaganda by Bishop Kelly) that the bar for the mental competence required to validly confect the Sacrament is extremely low. You basically just have to know who you are and know what you're doing. There's ZERO proof that he was not, and as a result the presumption is clearly that he was competent to perform the consecrations. Bishop Kelly DELIBERATELY (as Derksen demonstrated) fanned the flames of negative doubt.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #21 on:** January 25, 2020, 11:59:58 AM »

Quote from: Banezian on January 25, 2020, 10:05:49 AM

The fact thst he changed his position over and over again( and assisted at the New Mass while claiming to be Traditional) should be enough.

pffff. That's not NEARLY "enough". To be imprudent or erratic has nothing to do with whether or not one knows what he's doing when consecrating. This is ridiculous.

There's MUCH more evidence that +Mendez was out of his mind. But even there insufficient evidence to override the presumption of validity.

Bishop Kelly has much to answer for before God for his mendacious propaganda.

Banezian · « **Reply #22 on:** January 25, 2020, 12:08:15 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on January 25, 2020, 11:59:58 AM

pffff. That's not NEARLY "enough". To be imprudent or erratic has nothing to do with whether or not one knows what he's doing when consecrating. This is ridiculous.

There's MUCH more evidence that +Mendez was out of his mind. But even there insufficient evidence to override the presumption of validity.

Bishop Kelly has much to answer for before God for his mendacious propaganda.

Cekada and the others took the same position on the Thuc line as Kelly and then changed later on. If you want to take your chances with Thuc clergy, go ahead( although I found it odd given that I seem to recall you saying you used to work with SSPV. Change of position on this question?)

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #23 on:** January 26, 2020, 05:35:15 PM »

Quote from: Banezian on January 25, 2020, 12:08:15 PM

Cekada and the others took the same position on the Thuc line as Kelly and then changed later on. If you want to take your chances with Thuc clergy, go ahead( although I found it odd given that I seem to recall you saying you used to work with SSPV. Change of position on this question?)

At least Father Cekada was humble enough to admit he was wrong years ago.
Allow yourself just a short escape from your years (?) of anti Thuc indoctrination and I can assure you, if you are just a little bit reasonable, that if you read Mario Derksen’s study, you will come to the realization that the SSPV’s position is unequivocally wrong. In fact, what you will find is if you use the same criteria Bishop Kelly applies to the Thuc line and apply it to the Mendez line, you will see that the Thuc line is far more credible when it comes to validity.

Quo vadis Domine · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2020, 06:07:30 PM »

Mario Derksen’s study: http://thucbishops.com/

CathInfo.com

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