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Author Topic: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP  (Read 10302 times)

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Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2020, 06:46:44 AM »
With all his genius, it's too bad he didn't know enough to get conditionally ordained.
This coming from a man who has no problem with the Thuc line

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Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2020, 09:19:56 AM »
This coming from a man who has no problem with the Thuc line

True. Laudislaus also has no problem with lying when it comes to what +ABL stood for. If he can re-invent the late Archbishop in the minds of trads here, then he will have, in part, fulfilled his mission here.


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Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2020, 09:43:37 AM »
This coming from a man who has no problem with the Thuc line

^^^ worthless ad hominem

Correct.  Thuc line bishops and priests were ordained with the Traditional Rite that is know to be valid, whereas the Novus Ordo Rite of Ordination is doubtful.

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Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2020, 09:44:56 AM »
True. Laudislaus also has no problem with lying when it comes to what +ABL stood for. If he can re-invent the late Archbishop in the minds of trads here, then he will have, in part, fulfilled his mission here.

^^^ worthless ad hominem

Yes, I "lie" about Archbishop Lefebvre being, for the most part, tolerant of sedevacantism, after having produced pages of quotes saying exactly that.

You're the liar, Meg, and it's getting pathetic.  You pretend in your cognitive dissonance that Archbishop Lefebvre categorically condemned sedevacantism during the entire time he was active as a Traditional bishop ... when the black-and-white evidence says the contrary.  His position can be summed up in his own words, "I do not say that the pope is not the pope; but I do not say that you cannot say that the pope is not the pope."  There was a brief period of time (1982-1983) where he backed away from this and did condemn sedevacantism, but during most of his active years he was quite tolerant of it.  By around 1985-6 (with Assisi looming) he said that Assisi might inspire him to become sedevacantist as well.  This, which you call a lie, simply because you don't like it, is well-docuмented FACT.

Re: Father Gregory Hesse, RIP
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2020, 09:54:56 AM »
Honestly its hard to box him into modern day categories.  Most people who today would seriously entertain doubt that the see is occupied would also have demanded someone like Fr. Hesse get a conditional ordination.

Maybe Lefebvre was just highly moved by "big picture" issues like assisi, but less by technicalities?

Just kinda wondering.