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Father Girouard Sermon from July 1st, 2012
« on: July 04, 2012, 04:12:59 PM »
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    Father Girouard Sermon from July 1st, 2012
    « Reply #1 on: July 04, 2012, 05:07:17 PM »
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  • Every Sunday after I come back from the empty "Pay, Pray and Obey sermons" so commonly seen in the Neo-SSPX parishes now days, I have to come to these holy priests in these holy sermons to feed my soul with CATHOLIC sermons.

    God bless them!
    Non Habemus Papam


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    Father Girouard Sermon from July 1st, 2012
    « Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 09:11:43 PM »
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  • What a fantastic sermon - very honest and now will he be put on the shelf like the others?  He is very brave.  He mentions how Fr Fox has now been sent to a monastery for 3 weeks to be in silence till his District Superior returns just for preaching what the society has always preached.  What I don't get is how can Bp Fellay condone his move against these priests when they are just adhereing to the Truth as the Society has always declared it.  I surely hope the Dist Sups who attend the Gen Chap will DO something to calm this chaos.  A SSPX priest told me they could ask for a renewed vote for Bp Fellay to depose him, but will that happen?  We'll see.

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    Father Girouard Sermon from July 1st, 2012
    « Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 01:25:25 PM »
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    Not sure if this is a different version - but it's the sermon for the same day, by
    the same priest, Fr. Girouard, in Vancouver, BC, uploaded by 469fitter on July 4th:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=7CojdlaheDg

    As of today it has 139 views. I tried to listen to it 3 weeks ago and then it had less
    than 100 views. As I recall, I had a hard time getting through his French accent.
    But now, replaying it in segments several times, I am able to recognize the key
    words that I had missed previously because he accents the wrong syllable from
    what I would expect.

    For words like:
    tra-DI-tion he says TRA-di-tion;
    con-CIL-iar-ists, he says CON-cili-AR-ists;
    MO-dernism he says mo-DERN-ism;
    a-GREE-ment he says AG-ree-ment
    sub-MIT-ting he says SUB-mit-ting
    LI-ber-al-ism he says li-ber-AL-ism
    con-sci-EN-tious he says con-SCI-en-tious
    sub-MIT he says SUB-mit
    COM-fort he says com-FORT
    COUN-cil he says coun-CIL
    en-DOWED he says EN-doed
    (-DOW- is rendered "doe" -- in my language, an "endo" is an action in which a cycle rider flies over the handlebars.)
    di-MIN-ish he says DIM-inish
    per-SUA-ded he says PER-su-aid-ed
    con-TIN-ue he says CON-tinue
    ac-cuм-u-la-ted he says AC-cuм-u-LA-ted
    etc.

    Once you get acclimated to it, it's not so bad, but I have to admit, the first time
    I tried to listen to this recording I was entirely lost. I was not getting it.


    Here is a really excellent section:


    30:47
    As far as I know there is nothing in the Catholic Faith that says we should stop
    using our common sense, that we should stop using our intelligence. If there
    is, you let me know...
    31:46
    That is why without any spirit of rebellion, bitterness or resentment,
    we pursue our  work  of forming priests
    with the timeless Magisterium as our guide.
    We are persuaded that we can render no  greater  service to the Holy Catholic
    Church, the sovereign pontiff and to posterity.
    So we just have to continue as we are, and one day they will come back
    to their senses -- if only because they will see the ruins that have accuмulated.
    They will understand one day that they are a dying breed, and We will be there,
    solid as a rock, to help them when thus they come: when they will show us
    they really want to save the Church. And they will show this to us when they
    will stop preaching error, when they will stop allowing new mass, the new to
    be said; that will be the sign -- when they will scrap away the Council and
    the new mass.

    Fourth argument ... 33:12

    By listening carefully several times, and hearing short segments several times
    over again, I am able to hear all the words and then I can understand the content.



    Quote from: JuanDiego
    What a fantastic sermon - very honest and now will he be put on the shelf like the others?  He is very brave.  He mentions how Fr Fox has now been sent to a monastery for 3 weeks to be in silence till his District Superior returns just for preaching what the society has always preached.  What I don't get is how can Bp Fellay condone his move against these priests when they are just adhering to the Truth as the Society has always declared it.  I surely hope the Dist Sups who attend the Gen Chap will DO something to calm this chaos.  A SSPX priest told me they could ask for a renewed vote for Bp Fellay to depose him, but will that happen?  We'll see.


    Fr. Pfeiffer has put his finger on the explanation for this enigma you observe:
    "What I don't get is how can Bp Fellay condone his move against these priests
    when they are just adhering to the Truth as the Society has always declared it."
    Fr. Pfeiffer identifies how +Fellay has re-defined Tradition by his actions, not by
    honestly rendering a definition. This is the way Pierre Teilhard de Chardin spread
    his evolution of language. He simply started using words in new contexts, with
    different meanings implied by their use, and told his friends (in secret) that by
    doing so, you can change the meaning of tradition.

    So Bishop Fellay has taken a lesson from the heretic, P.T. de Chardin, perhaps
    under the approval of B16, with the intention, apparently, of destroying the Faith
    as we know it. This, while his office is to protect the Faith as we know it.

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    Father Girouard Sermon from July 1st, 2012
    « Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 08:46:09 PM »
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer has put his finger on the explanation for this enigma you observe:
    "What I don't get is how can Bp Fellay condone his move against these priests
    when they are just adhering to the Truth as the Society has always declared it."
    Fr. Pfeiffer identifies how +Fellay has re-defined Tradition by his actions, not by
    honestly rendering a definition. This is the way Pierre Teilhard de Chardin spread his evolution of language. He simply started using words in new contexts, with different meanings implied by their use, and told his friends (in secret) that by doing so, you can change the meaning of tradition.

    So Bishop Fellay has taken a lesson from the heretic, P.T. de Chardin, perhaps under the approval of B16, with the intention, apparently, of destroying the Faith as we know it. This, while his office is to protect the Faith as we know it. [/quote]

    I don't understand...are you saying that as Bp Fellay punishes these priests for declaring the same things ABL said that these statemts are now considered changed? I see how the priests are being intimidated into keeping silent, but I don't see the change.


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    Father Girouard Sermon from July 1st, 2012
    « Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 10:52:22 PM »
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    Fr. Pfeiffer has put his finger on the explanation for this enigma you observe:
    "What I don't get is how can Bp Fellay condone his move against these priests
    when they are just adhering to the Truth as the Society has always declared it."
    Fr. Pfeiffer identifies how +Fellay has re-defined Tradition by his actions, not by
    honestly rendering a definition. This is the way Pierre Teilhard de Chardin spread
    his evolution of language. He simply started using words in new contexts, with
    different meanings implied by their use, and told his friends (in secret) that by
    doing so, you can change the meaning of tradition.

    So Bishop Fellay has taken a lesson from the heretic, P.T. de Chardin, perhaps
    under the approval of B16, with the intention, apparently, of destroying the Faith
    as we know it. This, while his office is to protect the Faith as we know it.


    I don't understand...are you saying that as Bp Fellay punishes these priests for declaring the same things ABL said that these statements are now considered changed? I see how the priests are being intimidated into keeping silent, but I don't see the change.


    The "change" is happening in the imagination of +Fellay. He has a power complex.
    He thinks he can change the meaning of words by using them in a new way. I
    mentioned de Chardin because he did that in the 1930's! Hey, if +Fellay could have
    punished his own founder, he would have! But he doesn't go that far. Why not?
    Only for practical reasons. He would lose some (not all!) of his following!

    You should listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon and then you'll have a better grip on this.
    It's the one for July 29th, the 9th Sunday after Pentecost. Listen to the whole
    thing, maybe twice. I think this is near the middle. I would go so far as to say it's
    the major thrust of the whole sermon, or close to it.
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    Father Girouard Sermon from July 1st, 2012
    « Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 12:25:19 AM »
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  • Here is the thread linking Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon.

    I made a mistake. It's not a change merely in +Fellay's imagination. The new
    General Chapter of the SSPX that just completed came up with a new set of
    resolutions. They are different from the resolutions of 1974 under Archbishop
    Lefebvre, and Fr. Pfeiffer highlights major differences in his sermon. He says
    that the Society is now taking a different course from the one it took in 1974.

    He laments that some SSPX pastors are putting copies of the 1974 declarations
    in the vestibule for the faithful to read. But they are not explaining that these are
    different from the 2012 declarations. You're supposed to figure that out for
    yourself, apparently.  

    There is a new charter, as of July 14th, 2012. minute 24:00

    We are not to submit ourselves to the modernist Rome until the darkness no
    longer obscures the skies of Eternal Rome. (1974)

    In 2012 there is a change: we have determined and approved the necessary
    canonical conditions ...
    So long as we can teach the Faith,
    So long as we can condemn the people who promoted the errors, but not the
    errors themselves,
    So long as we can have a bishop.

    The goal, the objective of this new charter is a good thing, and the objective
    in 1974 was a good thing. But then, he was focused on the good of the Church.
    Now, +Fellay is aiming at the good of ourselves.


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