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Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
« on: November 10, 2018, 07:58:23 PM »
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    SSPX Father: Wrong Arguments against Henry Sire’s „Dictator Pope“

    Father Franz Schmidberger, a former superior general of the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) and now rector of the German seminary, has criticised Henry Sire’s famous The Dictator Pope in his weekly email to priests (November 5).

    One of his arguments, "After reading the revelations one wonders: do they strengthen my faith in the Church and my love for it? This is probably the case only for very few readers."

    Schmidberger adds, “Not the exposure of the scandals in Rome will save us, but the fidelity to the Church's full tradition and the to Old Latin Mass.”

    On the basis of similar arguments ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, liturgical and doctrinal scandals have been allowed to grow in the Church.

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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2018, 08:35:22 PM »
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  • Typical emotional response from a quasi-modernist. 


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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2018, 09:24:38 PM »
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  • Schmidberger adds, “Not the exposure of the scandals in Rome will save us, but the fidelity to the Church's full tradition and the to Old Latin Mass.”
    The "exposure of the scandals" helps one see that Vatican II's humanism etc. has caused these problems.
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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #3 on: November 10, 2018, 11:20:26 PM »
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  • Schmidberger adds, “Not the exposure of the scandals in Rome will save us, but the fidelity to the Church's full tradition and the to Old Latin Mass.”


    False dichotomy?!

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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #4 on: November 10, 2018, 11:33:36 PM »
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  • False dichotomy?!
    I think what Fr. S. might be referring to is that political scandals, which The Dictator Pope exposes, are not the real issue; the real issue is doctrine.
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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #5 on: November 11, 2018, 10:13:35 PM »
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  • The exposure of scandals is what the Apocalypse is: it means "the unveiling."

    Does Schmidberger also believe the General Judgment will fail to heal the world?

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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #6 on: November 11, 2018, 10:57:52 PM »
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    Quote from: klasG4e on Yesterday at 05:58:23 PM
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    Schmidberger adds, “Not the exposure of the scandals in Rome will save us, but the fidelity to the Church's full tradition and the to Old Latin Mass.”
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    The "exposure of the scandals" helps one see that Vatican II's humanism etc. has caused these problems.
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    Yes, indeed!
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    Hiding one's head in the sand like an ostritch won't save us either. Better for scandals to be made known than to pretend they don't exist.
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    Fr. Schmidberger makes himself look like he thinks pandering to the Vat.II errors is somehow a necessity for normalization at any cost.
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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #7 on: November 11, 2018, 11:00:17 PM »
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  • I think what Fr. S. might be referring to is that political scandals, which The Dictator Pope exposes, are not the real issue; the real issue is doctrine.
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    It would be nice if he holds doctrine to be paramount, but he needs to SAY that ----- does he?
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    "...fidelity to the Church's full tradition and the to Old Latin Mass” is all well and good, but it's possible to have that while being soft on doctrine!!
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    Fidelity to Sacred Tradition can be misunderstood! The Old Latin Mass isn't a silver bullet!

    Annibale Bugnini celebrated the Old Latin Mass!
    ...he even wore a nice pectoral cross!
    (But it appears to be missing the Corpus)
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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #8 on: November 11, 2018, 11:26:41 PM »
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  • Father Franz Schmidberger, a former superior general of the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) and now rector of the German seminary, has criticised Henry Sire’s famous The Dictator Pope in his weekly email to priests (November 5).

    One of his arguments, "After reading the revelations one wonders: do they strengthen my faith in the Church and my love for it? This is probably the case only for very few readers."

    Schmidberger adds, “Not the exposure of the scandals in Rome will save us, but the fidelity to the Church's full tradition and the to Old Latin Mass.”

    On the basis of similar arguments ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, liturgical and doctrinal scandals have been allowed to grow in the Church.
    That is all he said, three quotes?
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #9 on: November 11, 2018, 11:35:56 PM »
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  • Schmidberger adds, “Not the exposure of the scandals in Rome will save us, but the fidelity to the Church's full tradition and the to Old Latin Mass.”


    "fidelity to the Church's full tradition"  Say what?!

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    Re: Father Franz Schmidberge re "The Dictator Pope"
    « Reply #10 on: November 11, 2018, 11:42:49 PM »
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  • "fidelity to the Church's full tradition"  Say what?!

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    By their deeds you shall know them.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24