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The Liberalization of the SSPX
« Reply #60 on: June 27, 2012, 10:18:04 PM »
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    I talked with a friend this evening.  Bishop Tissier is NOT under house arrest in Chicago.  He is currently at Econe.  What happens after that is unknown.

    Glad to hear that. I checked around and it seems that, that execrable Traditio.com website is spreading this rumour.

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    « Reply #61 on: June 27, 2012, 10:34:34 PM »
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    I talked with a friend this evening.  Bishop Tissier is NOT under house arrest in Chicago.  He is currently at Econe.  What happens after that is unknown.

    Glad to hear that. I checked around and it seems that, that execrable Traditio.com website is spreading this rumour.


    I first seen the rumour being spread on IA, by "pablo the Mexican".  


    Quote from: pablo the Mexican @ Jun 21 2012, 11:04 PM
    Nuestra Senora Santa Maria de Guadalupe and her Son have spoken through Padre Hewko.

    They also Have spoken through Padre Girouard, Padre Chazal, Padre Pfeiffer, Bishop Tessier.

    Padre Hewko has been banished to New Zealand, Bishop Tessier has been ordered to House Arrest in Chicago, Illinois, the other Padres have been ordered not to say Public Mass (no more sermons).

    Bishop Tessier will be guarded by the Brown Shirts of the US District Superior Father Rostand.

    I spoke with Father Rostand in the tent on his Seminary grounds, in his Camp, face to face and looked for some Charity from him.

    Cor Unum had stopped beating long ago as I looked him in the eyes and told him we Cristeros were not with him, us Guadalupanos of Tepeyac Hill could not support the enemies of Our Lord.

    Our Lady sent me into that camp to film and video tape those sermons.

    We should not be cowards, but stand face to face before our Lord's enemies and demonstrate our Faith in our Divine Master.

    May God our Lord in His infinite and supreme goodness be pleased to give us His abundant grace, that we may know His most holy will, and entirely fulfill it.

    Santa María de Guadalupe Esperanza nuestra, salva nuestra patria y conserva nuestra Fe.

    “ I entrust this whole matter in the hands of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, “Mother of the Priest par excellence, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and through Him, of all priests in whom she forms her Son”.

    Viva Cristo Rey!

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    The Liberalization of the SSPX
    « Reply #62 on: June 28, 2012, 02:46:15 AM »
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    I talked with a friend this evening.  Bishop Tissier is NOT under house arrest in Chicago.  He is currently at Econe.  What happens after that is unknown.

    Glad to hear that. I checked around and it seems that, that execrable Traditio.com website is spreading this rumour.


    I first seen the rumour being spread on IA, by "pablo the Mexican".  


    Quote from: pablo the Mexican @ Jun 21 2012, 11:04 PM
    Nuestra Senora Santa Maria de Guadalupe and her Son have spoken through Padre Hewko.

    They also Have spoken through Padre Girouard, Padre Chazal, Padre Pfeiffer, Bishop Tessier.

    Padre Hewko has been banished to New Zealand, Bishop Tessier has been ordered to House Arrest in Chicago, Illinois, the other Padres have been ordered not to say Public Mass (no more sermons).

    Bishop Tessier will be guarded by the Brown Shirts of the US District Superior Father Rostand.

    I spoke with Father Rostand in the tent on his Seminary grounds, in his Camp, face to face and looked for some Charity from him.

    Cor Unum had stopped beating long ago as I looked him in the eyes and told him we Cristeros were not with him, us Guadalupanos of Tepeyac Hill could not support the enemies of Our Lord.

    Our Lady sent me into that camp to film and video tape those sermons.

    We should not be cowards, but stand face to face before our Lord's enemies and demonstrate our Faith in our Divine Master.

    May God our Lord in His infinite and supreme goodness be pleased to give us His abundant grace, that we may know His most holy will, and entirely fulfill it.

    Santa María de Guadalupe Esperanza nuestra, salva nuestra patria y conserva nuestra Fe.

    “ I entrust this whole matter in the hands of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, “Mother of the Priest par excellence, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and through Him, of all priests in whom she forms her Son”.

    Viva Cristo Rey!

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    So who is pablo the Mexican? One of "The Fathers" at Traditio with questionable lineage? A 'Cristeros wannabe' but disregarding the spirit of the Cristeros?

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    « Reply #63 on: June 28, 2012, 05:21:55 AM »
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    Yes SJB, John Lane admits that Bishop Fellay's change of position is not defendable. But he is still defending Fellay from accusations of being a liar, among other things. Gregorio Sarto on Ignis Ardens has already proven that Bishop Fellay is, in fact, a liar.


    I don't think it's necessary to call Bp. Fellay a liar and since I haven't seen the evidence for this charge, I would reject it, especially if the person making the charge isn't very, very close to Bp. Fellay. I say it isn't necessary because a strong case can and should be made to remove him as SG of the SSPX. Isn't the goal to stop him in his position of authority?

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    The two parts from Lane's post today that stand out for me:

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    It's interesting that demanding that another prove his allegation that Bishop Fellay lied is now being characterised as simply "defending Bishop Fellay" in an effort to shift the focus from whether a specific allegation can be justified. Try as I might, I was unable to get one particular individual to justify his allegation on this score. Obfuscation of the issue, accompanied by personal attacks, were employed to disguise the issue.


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    Clearly, since they won't justify their words on thre grounds of Catholic morality, some of his opponents are amoral, so the only sensible course of action is to distance ourselves from them.


    It's also worth pointing out that at first, John Lane didn't even think Fellay had changed.


    Yes, he said Bp. Fellay hadn't changed until it was obvious that he had changed. That may have been frustrating to those who had already reached that conclusion, yet it hardly can be held against Mr. Lane.

    The very fact that Bp. Fellay is very weak in his theology and is human leads me to believe he could be thinking he's doing the right thing, but I don't really care if he thinks he's correct, because he isn't. Again, his abandonment of the operating principles of the SSPX is why he should be removed as SG, regardless of his motivations.


    The DICI interview compared with the CNS interview are grounds to call Bishop Fellay a liar.

    On the Maurice Pinay blog, Michael Hoffman asks a very valid question directed towards Bishop Fellay.

    http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6261184205457999912&postID=616009110503127786
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    Michael Hoffman said...
    Excellent investigative reporting of a very worrisome development. Bishop Fellay must repudiate Krah and terminate the SSPX's relationship with him. If not, one must ask whether the hierarchy of the SSPX under Bishop Fellay is a kind of Israeli agency?

    June 14, 2012 11:48 AM


    The fact that Krah remains in the service of the SSPX is very disturbing.As the SSPX has appeased International Jewry in such a public manner, would it make a difference if Krah was removed? Instead of a frontal attack on the synagogue of Satan, many in the Society bent down to International Jewry.There is no point denying it as the facts state otherwise. Removing articles from websites etc etc. The Jews must be laughing at this so called Catholic Resistance.

    Many Trad Caths want their little comfort zones.This has been blatant in the last few years.

    The SSPX have become a laughing stock having a Zionist in such a prominent position.

    Bishop Fellay must resign or be ousted if the SSPX is to be taken seriously as a Catholic resistance.To have a 'friend of Israel' in such a high place is beyond a joke.

    The power of the Jews weaken when Christians are strong.

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    « Reply #64 on: June 28, 2012, 11:49:35 AM »
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  • I recall 'Adoramus Te' stating Bishop Williamson didn't need me to defend him. I never suggested otherwise so I keep this in mind as I make this post. This from Vincenzo is worth mentioning though

    http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=10034&st=50
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    I received this commentary today from Michael Hoffman by email. I agree.

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    Transcript of Father Chazal's June 10 talk, "What Next? "
    Posted June 25, 2012
    http://www.savesspx.com/

    Michael Hoffman's Note: The underlining of the text below (for brevity, not included in this reposting), alleged to be a transcript of Fr. Chazal's recent talk (or sermon), was added by this writer. My apologies in advance if I have drawn attention where it should not be...I do not want to steal Fr. Chazal's thunder, but for now, four comments.

    1. For many years under Bishop Fellay a tyranny has been imposed which SSPX priests and esp. laity obeyed as though their orders came from heaven itself. I witnessed consistent, mindless robotic obedience to the SSPX higher-ups as if they were inspired by the Holy Ghost at all times; this craven servility was not Roman Catholic, it was like much of the alleged "traditional" Catholicism today, a hybrid of modern traits and weak mentality. I have never understood why for so many years, SSPX priests and bishops were accorded more servile obedience than the pope himself! How could this be? Here we were, disobeying the pope when we felt he was wrong (and we were correct to do so), while at the same time submitting to virtually anything from the pastor, or the District Superior, or Superior General. This was perverse and bred many of the shortcomings and blindness that allowed Bishop Fellay in 2012 to get as far as he has, as of this late date, with the "reconciliation" with Rome.

    2. The treatment by the SSPX priests and laity accorded Bishop Williamson after the worldwide media assassination of his character and added scourging by Rome and Bp. Fellay, were met with great apathy and indifference by SSPX laity and priests. Now Fr. Chazal calls on the priests and laity to have a spine. Where was their spine when Bishop Williamson was challenging Holocaustianity, the clandestine religion of Judaism for gentiles that masquerades as the secular history of WWII? He was thrown to the wolves, with hardly a peep from nearly anyone in his Society. Some SSPXers told me, WWII history has nothing to do with the Church. But it was not World War II history that was at stake, it was the integrity of our Faith under assault by Judaism, using the vehicle of a false "Holocaust" history that has become the new "Shoah' theology of post-Vatican II Catholicism. Bishop Fellay surrendered to it completely as did almost all of the SSPX.

    3. An SSPX priest in America has consistently informed me of the stupor and obtuseness of his western U.S. parishioners who, after years in the SSPX ,had been trained to say plenty of novenas and rosaries but who cannot  or will not think deeply about anything intellectual or substantial -- pietism, as Fr. Chazal himself, comments. How are such people equipped to rise now, after being told, during the past fifteen years mainly to pay, pray and obey the SSPX?

    4. Finally, and Fr. Chazal does not touch on this: SSPX separatism has led to pride and an emphasis on everything but the love of Christ. At the local SSPX parish newcomers are greeted with suspicious looks and sour faces.  One must be a member of the in-crowd to be treated kindly. This is a symptom of the sinful separatism of Pharisees. It is epidemic in "traditional" Catholicism. Where is the joy,peace and love of Christ? The desire for union with Rome is not entirely misplaced, even if it cannot happen with this current Hegelian pope, because there must be a way to be rid of the separatist mentality, the obsession with external purity, while malicious gossip and mean-spirited cultism hold sway. Today many SSPXers would be shocked to learn of anyone in their parish going to dine with rabbis, harlots and government bureaucrats, as Christ did. They would say that any SSPX person who did so was demon-posseesed, as the Pharisees said of Jesus. How did the Catholic Church convert the millions of pagans if not by engaging them in their public squares, educating their children, feeding their poor? This cannot be done from behind a fortress. Judaics and Freemasons are among the masses, working with optimism as they recruit en masse. We, the children of God, are hiding in our self-made ghettos, bickering among ourselves, imploding and waiting for the end of time. Is this why God put us on earth, to hide -- or to overcome? -M.H.


    The "Williamson Affair" showed how spineless those attending the SSPX could be so as this snippet is good as it states "How are such people equipped to rise now, after being told, during the past fifteen years mainly to pay, pray and obey the SSPX?"

    I recall even on this forum Elizabeth stating I was Talmudic. I don't wish to dignify this rubbish with a detailed reply.

    What interested me in this piece from Hoffman is
    "Now Fr. Chazal calls on the priests and laity to have a spine. Where was their spine when Bishop Williamson was challenging Holocaustianity"

    Hoffman is correct here about a mindset within the SSPX. Bishop Williamson was stabbed in the back, and instead of defending him many threw him to the wolves yet when Michele Renouf defended him, many SSPX faithful were angered yet now they shed their crocodile tears about future direction of the Society.

    It's remarkable.Hypocrisy of the highest order.



     

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