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Offline Incredulous

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Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
« on: June 14, 2017, 02:38:10 PM »
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    • Stopping the "anti-liberal" ιnѕυrrєcтισns the "Fellay way".




    We have just learned that Fr. de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines. 11,106.64 km from Paris.
    It will then have all the difficulties to maintain contact with the "evil French anti-liberals who do not want the ralliement with the Rome of Francisco". For greater security, he has not been named in Manila, but was appointed in Dávao, in the Southeast of the Philippines (try to find that place on the map!).
    But that's not all ... You'll have to learn the Cebuano, to talk to 75% of the inhabitants of the place where it has been named, and for the other inhabitants, the Tagalog, the ilocano, the hiligαynon!
    What priest of a certain age could endure this change? Father de la Rocque is still young and flexible to endure such trauma. But a priest of 60 or 70 years?
    This sanction is a warning (especially for the old) for all those who would be tempted to resist in one way or another the Fellay accordion policy.
    Death (social) or exile. The suitcase or coffin.

    Do not come to tell us that the SSPX is not a sect that knows how to break its members ... 
    Source: Non Possumus

    In the meantime, Father Paul get's to go home to visit Mom this summer.
             "You betcha!"
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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2017, 09:01:24 PM »
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    • And you will still be told that the Asia District is not a dumping ground for unwanted priests, who "have to be sent somewhere".
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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #2 on: June 15, 2017, 04:29:05 AM »
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    • Why the surprise? You cross Menzingen divinity and it is the galley ships for you. From its inception this is the way the Society has behaved and most of its priests (that stayed) have gone along with it. The huge flaw in its constutution encouraged by ABL was the notion that it alone had some special duty sanctioned from upon high to reverse the conciliar direction. This may not have been true for some management figures who were always eager for comfortable deals with Rome but to keep the underlying disunity from view the naive had to be sold the script that the restoration was uniquely in the hands of the Lefebvrist faction turning out parallel priests and with its own limited hierarchy of parallel bishops. From my detached perspective this absurd recreation of the chosen few was going to run out of steam and entering the real world would necessitate a long period of reforms for the Society to stay in business. Father is but one casualty of these reforms but why does he stay on board? More importantly, why not flee the whole SSPX mess?   
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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 07:54:05 AM »
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    • "why does he stay on board? More importantly, why not flee the whole SSPX mess? "

    Because Fr. de le Rocque and French priest want to send a message to Rome that they are not going to capture the whole SSPX, and next year they will still be eligible to vote for the next Superior General.
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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 09:35:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Wessex on June 15, 2017, 04:29:05 AM
    Why the surprise? You cross Menzingen divinity and it is the galley ships for you. From its inception this is the way the Society has behaved and most of its priests (that stayed) have gone along with it. The huge flaw in its constutution encouraged by ABL was the notion that it alone had some special duty sanctioned from upon high to reverse the conciliar direction. This may not have been true for some management figures who were always eager for comfortable deals with Rome but to keep the underlying disunity from view the naive had to be sold the script that the restoration was uniquely in the hands of the Lefebvrist faction turning out parallel priests and with its own limited hierarchy of parallel bishops. From my detached perspective this absurd recreation of the chosen few was going to run out of steam and entering the real world would necessitate a long period of reforms for the Society to stay in business. Father is but one casualty of these reforms but why does he stay on board? More importantly, why not flee the whole SSPX mess?  


    I wonder, too, as to why SSPX priests such as Fr. de la Rocque don't just flee the SSPX. But where would they go? The Resisitance probably isn't a viable option for them, given the negative image that Resistance has.
    Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to have been another traditional group started after the Vll Council to maintain tradition, except the SSPX and Sedevacantist groups. I wish that there were more non-sede independants with churches who need priests, out there somewhere, that the priests of the SSPX could go to.
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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #5 on: June 15, 2017, 10:44:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on June 14, 2017, 09:01:24 PM
    And you will still be told that the Asia District is not a dumping ground for unwanted priests, who "have to be sent somewhere".


    "Fellayian justice" is meted-out, case by case: 
      

    1. Chicago was the clerical jail for Bp. Tissier's insubordination.  (Isolate him from the true French Trads).

    2. South Africa is Father Scott's purgatory (correct?)

    3. And the Philippines, under the Asian District Superior, is the cell for Father de la Rocque.

        (They'll have to make provisions to keep him away from Fr. Tim Pfeiffer, lest he scandalize the Kentuckian with the truth).




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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 11:13:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 15, 2017, 09:35:04 AM

    I wonder, too, as to why SSPX priests such as Fr. de la Rocque don't just flee the SSPX. But where would they go? The Resisitance probably isn't a viable option for them, given the negative image that Resistance has.

    I think you are right but I also think the negative image is largely an illusion. The Resistance may not be shiny and sophisticated but it is no different than the SSPX itself has been all these years. The SSPX has had its fair share of ragged edges, detractors, problem priests and unfortunate situations. It's long been dogged by a "negative image". But people who were honest and truly searching for answers looked past that to find the good and see what the mind and heart of the SSPX were about. It will be the same with the Resistance.

    But I can't say I blame the priests for not being in a hurry to leave the SSPX. Going Resistance essentially means going independent and I imagine that is a scary prospect, not just financially or physically but especially spiritually. It is and ought to be a very last resort. I can't help but think that as much as we cheered for Frs P & H being so strong and vocal and quick to quit the SSPX, those characteristics are also what's thrown them so far off the trail now. Hopefully the priests who are biding their time will be a little more stable when they finally reach that last resort.  



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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 11:30:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: wallflower on June 15, 2017, 11:13:00 AM
    I think you are right but I also think the negative image is largely an illusion. The Resistance may not be shiny and sophisticated but it is no different than the SSPX itself has been all these years. The SSPX has had its fair share of ragged edges, detractors, problem priests and unfortunate situations. It's long been dogged by a "negative image". But people who were honest and truly searching for answers looked past that to find the good and see what the mind and heart of the SSPX were about. It will be the same with the Resistance.

    But I can't say I blame the priests for not being in a hurry to leave the SSPX. Going Resistance essentially means going independent and I imagine that is a scary prospect, not just financially or physically but especially spiritually. It is and ought to be a very last resort. I can't help but think that as much as we cheered for Frs P & H being so strong and vocal and quick to quit the SSPX, those characteristics are also what's thrown them so far off the trail now. Hopefully the priests who are biding their time will be a little more stable when they finally reach that last resort.  

    Yes, I agree that the negative image is largely an illusion, except that if someone were to consider supporting the Resistance and its bishops, then they would quickly see all of the unpleasant debates between the Sedes and those who support the Resistance. To be fair, it's not only Sedes who are against the Resistance of course. There are others. It's good to have a forum where Resistance folks can go to discuss things, but it has it's negative aspect, too. Can't be avoided I suppose. But I think it's possible that the Resistance will succuмb someday, due to the continual attacks. Or perhaps not. 

    If there were more independent non-sede groups not affiliated with the Resistance, that would be a good thing perhaps, since these groups might fly under the radar of the anti-Resistance folks who continually attack it, and will continue to attack, since that's all they know how to do.  
    I agree that it must seem a scary prospect for the priests to leave the SSPX and go independent. You mention that Frs. P & H were too quick to quit the SSPX, and that this characteristic (being quite strong and vocal as well) is what has thrown them so far off the trail now. I hadn't though of that aspect before, but it makes sense.

    I still wonder about those seven priors in France, and what they are doing now. 
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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 03:44:29 PM »
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    • In the age of the internet and cell phones he's really not isolated so I don't think his reassignment will have the effect that Fellay desires, at least not in the long run.

    All the same it is still an abominable move on Fellay's part.
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    Re: Father de la Rocque is "transferred" to the Philippines
    « Reply #9 on: June 15, 2017, 04:15:53 PM »
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    • Its atrocious, not the sending to the Philippines, a Priest is ready to go where God calls him, but the method and the manner here do not appear providential, but vicious and arbitrary, Pray for fortitude for these Priests, that they continue to fight for the Faith, wherever they find themselves, there are souls everywhere in need of Salvation, and that God will bring them to where they may do the most good.
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