Author Topic: Father Angles is for an accord with Rome (Read 28731 times)

Azul · « **Reply #60 on:** April 15, 2014, 05:46:46 PM »

I cannot say that I know what is is Fr. Angles' mind concerning the "deal". I have not asked him. But unlike many of you who seem to know his every motive, I know him well. And I would like to take to task those of you who say that Fr. Angles wants a deal because he is old and he wants comforts.

For your information, Fr. Angles was born into wealthy Spanish family of nobles. He renounced the inheritance of a title and much, much more to become a lowly seminarian in the outcast Society of St. Pius X. If he was so desperate for comfort he would have returned to the "castle" a long time ago.

With his mind, talents, resources and connections, he could have spent his entire career in the Vatican if that is what he had wanted. If he is for a deal, he must believe there are some pretty compelling reasons. But surely his comfort is not even one of them. And by the way, he is not old. He suffers rheumatoid arthritis that sometimes causes him to need a cane, but that is not related to age.

I find it insulting to read that someone said they saw him because no one else at the Vatican has his profile. Right. What utter nonsense. More gossip. Let's see how much damage we can do to a good priests reputation, you know, so that the faithful will lose confidence in him. That is certainly a diabolical project.

May Our Holy Mother wrap Her mantle around Fr. Angles and all of the good priests of Tradition, wherever they are found. Amen!

Nobody · « **Reply #61 on:** April 15, 2014, 06:00:26 PM »

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May the Good God forgive you your remarks and I would suggest some reading on the life of Archbishop Lefebvre, who no doubt will be canonized after the restoration of the Church as the great champion of Tradition that he was. We owe him a debt of gratitude that is enormous and it is about time that all who call themselves Catholic acknowledge

I find your reaction rather unbelievable. The fact remains, whatever some of his great admirers might say, including the ones you mentioned, that ABL is, to date, not a canonized saint. You write that "no doubt" he will be canonized "after the restoration of the Church." That is, at best, hopeful speculation. ABL was certainly a "great champion" of tradition. But since he has not been canonized, he can hardly be described as the "greatest saint of the 20th century." No formal declaration of sainthood for him by the Church, or universal consensus, has ever been established? Why should I be forgiven by the "Good God" for simply stating the fact? To tell you the truth, were ABL on hand to comment on your own remarks, I feel that he would take my side, not yours.
As for your comparison of ABL with St. Francis: St. Francis has been canonized. Take for example just one criterion for the canonization of a saint: A genuine saint of the Church must be shown to have performed at least two miracles ( I think) during his lifetime. Attributed to St. Francis are countless miracles. Name one for which ABL may be credited. Let's start there.
I would need to be forgiven by the "Good God" if I had stated that ABL, already recognized as a saint by Church, was not really a saint at all in my opinion. But such is not the case here.

hollingsworth,

Are you picking on the fact that ABL has not officially been declared a saint yet ? Has this not been the case with each and every saint, before they get officially recognized as such ? If people know someone well enough and believe he is a saint, even during their life, why would you dispute what they believe, based on the fact that the church has not yet made a formal decision ? Can you come up with some good reason for believing ABL is not the saint that people who knew him believe he is ?

One thing I know for certain, I owe a lot to him and his courage to fight for Tradition and found the SSPX. And I certainly will not be the first to throw a stone at him for anything in him I do not understand or agree with.

Would you have done better in his shoes ? Do you know him well enough to say he could possibly not be a saint ?

JMacQ · « **Reply #62 on:** April 15, 2014, 06:35:32 PM »

http://blog.goo.ne.jp/watchandpray/e/b23c95a9a7ebdbf69e2dd626eb2a1ed1

while bishop Fellay says nothing is happening between us and the new Rome, his canonical adviser has been spotted in Rome, at the congregation for religious, reportedly working out the future canonical status of the society of st pius x.
he was wearing a clergyman, but his physical appearance clearly gave him away, and the dates he was reported in Rome correspond to his absence from Ireland at the end of february and beginning of march.
these dealings with the congregation that manage the religious orders show that the negociations are in an advanced stage with the novus ordo.

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I don't know about the rest, but I drove him on Tuesday February 25 to bring Holy Communion to my wife, and he could barely walk. And he was hearing confessions all morning during Sunday March 2 while a Swiss priest from Menzugen said the 11am Holy Mass. Maybe a case of mistaken identity? I don't see how he could have gone anywhere in the past months since he has been suffering much with his arthritis. If Cassini is as I suspect one of my fellow parishoners he can confirm this, we all see him every Sunday and his pain when he stands and walks is evident. Anyway thats my contribution to this strange thread.

JMacQ · « **Reply #63 on:** April 15, 2014, 06:47:36 PM »

I remember well the date because he told us this important superior was coming and he feared he could not take proper care of him.

Ferdinand · « **Reply #64 on:** April 15, 2014, 08:45:06 PM »

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You (Wessex) are a liar and obviously malicious! How dare you say such things. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was perhaps the greatest saint of the 20th century. He was another St. Francis in that he held up the Church almost single handedly and preserved the Mass and Tradition for fools like you.

This is the kind of Lefebvrism which scares me to death. No, ABL was not another St. Francis. No, ABL did not "single handedly" preserve the "Mass and Tradition." No, ABL is not the "greatest saint of the 20th century." By the ancient criteria established for achieving sainthood, I'm not even sure that he is a saint, much less, the greatest one of the 20th Century.

By the Ancient Criteria... we can hope and pray that he made it to Purgatory.