Author Topic: Father Angles is for an accord with Rome (Read 28747 times)

Centroamerica · « **Reply #50 on:** March 16, 2014, 07:39:25 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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Quote from: Matthew

If the SSPX position is good, it's good indefinitely.
If it's no good, you need to leave NOW.

But this LUDICROUS position held by Bp. Fellay, Fr. Angles, and dozens of others, namely, "The current SSPX position can't be held much longer or it WILL lead to schism" - doesn't make sense.

So there's a date on the calendar on which you wake up and the SSPX becomes schismatic? But the day before it wasn't schismatic?

Who determines that date?

Or is it a question of percentages? Right now we're 10% schismatic, later on we'll be 25% schismatic, and eventually we'll be 100% schismatic?

Isn't that like being 34% pregnant?

With certain "statuses", you either are or you aren't.

Either it's schismatic, or it isn't. Today, a year from now, or 200 years from now.

I'll drink to that! :smile: Drinks for everybody!! :drillsergeant:

:alcohol: :alcohol: :smile:

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. I gave up beer for lent. Next year I'll make sure it is milk or maybe oxygen.

Unbrandable · « **Reply #51 on:** April 13, 2014, 11:31:31 PM »

Here is an update on Father Angles found on the Avec l’Immaculee website.

Sunday April 13, 2014

While Bishop Fellay is anesthetizing us, Father Angles appears busy in Rome.

A priest of the Resistance writes:

“Father Angles was seen [recently] at the Congregation for Religious in Rome, during one of his absences from Ireland. He was in clergyman, and his physique left no doubt that it was him. An employee of this congregation affirms that it was to determine the future status of the Society. As Father Angles is the canonical adviser of Bishop Fellay, I do not see how [Bishop Fellay] can say that no negotiation, public or secret, is going on with current Rome.”

One of the faithful also asserts that a person from Ireland, very close to Fr. Angles, stated in 2012 that this priest was very busy preparing for the future canonical status of the Society.

Nobody · « **Reply #52 on:** April 14, 2014, 02:45:18 AM »

I don't know anything about Fr Angles, but when I first read that statement mentioned in the OP, I thought the reason Fr Angles thought 'an accord must be made' referred to the fact that Bishop Fellay has 'more power than the Pope'. In other words, Bishop Fellay is running the SSPX like a schismatic is running his own club, with no sound leg to stand on. I read a lot of (justified) criticism in his statement.

So, the reason the SSPX is becoming schismatic is that they have swapped justified reasons for schismatic/cultish behavior.

Maybe what he said wasn't intended like that, I don't know, but I wonder whether Fr Angles is not as stupid as it may seem to some.. Although his solution to the problem is wrong imho.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #53 on:** April 14, 2014, 11:09:30 AM »

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You (Wessex) are a liar and obviously malicious! How dare you say such things. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was perhaps the greatest saint of the 20th century. He was another St. Francis in that he held up the Church almost single handedly and preserved the Mass and Tradition for fools like you.

This is the kind of Lefebvrism which scares me to death. No, ABL was not another St. Francis. No, ABL did not "single handedly" preserve the "Mass and Tradition." No, ABL is not the "greatest saint of the 20th century." By the ancient criteria established for achieving sainthood, I'm not even sure that he is a saint, much less, the greatest one of the 20th Century.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #54 on:** April 14, 2014, 11:16:54 AM »

words attributed to Fr. Angles:

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And must I tell you, if you are in the Resistance, it is not my cup of tea, because an accord really must be made. It is necessary, otherwise we will end up schismatic . Look at Bishop Fellay. He has more power than the Pope. It is no longer supportable. I resigned from my office as a major superior because I don’t want to support it anymore. Unfortunately, the accord cannot be made with Bishop Fellay. He is completely discredited. He cannot say two words without casting doubt all over the world. "

What is the "it" which Fr. Angles does not support any longer? The SSPX, or simply the office of a major superior? I had never thought about striking an accord with Rome as the only means of overcoming or vitiating the illegitimate power of the superior general. But it does seem that this is what Fr. Angles is saying. We must reunite with the Pope in order to discredit and undermine the unlawful power of Bp. Fellay. Tell me, someone, that he is saying something differently.