Author Topic: Father Angles is for an accord with Rome (Read 28761 times)

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #45 on:** March 14, 2014, 08:19:34 PM »

Quote from: cosmas

I've talked with eighth graders at ST. Marys Academy, they aren't being taught much if anything about why they are standing up for Tradition,what happened at Vatican II, the docuмents of Vatican II ,why there's a problem with Vatican II etc..
This should be introduced into their religion course as part of the curriculum. They need this information to help them in their battle against modernism in the church.

Thats why the Society Priests and Laity were told only go to SSPX websites don't listen to any other website, almost sounds like a CULT !

The word is Angelus has a new catechism for the children which is already changing teachings in it.

Does anyone have any further info? I do not have much specifics.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #46 on:** March 15, 2014, 12:43:23 AM »

Quote from: cosmas

I am speaking of FR. Ramon Angles, there has been a paradigm shift in the Society.

It is now producing liberal seminarians; they aren't even being taught what the fight is all about. I've talked with eighth graders at ST. Marys Academy: they aren't being taught much (if anything) about why they are standing up for Tradition, what happened at Vatican II, the docuмents of Vatican II, why there's a problem with Vatican II, etc..

If it's not too much trouble, I'd like to see more details on this. Has any real historian written some docuмentaries about it? Have there been any interviews? Can someone show some reports or something to fill in the blanks? These students you speak of are prime candidates for being sent to Winona/Virginia (when it opens). I have more on this below....

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This should be introduced into their religion course as part of the curriculum. They need this information to help them in their battle against modernism in the church.

The Pius X Society has gone soft toward Rome. If it hadn't been for resistance priests to inform the Laity and other Priests what Bishop Fellay was getting ready to do, it would have been a cake walk for Bishop Fellay.

B. Fellay was getting ready to hand over the Society without a Doctrinal Agreement! A Practical Agreement was good enough for him. That's why the Society Priests and Laity were told only go to SSPX websites, don't listen to any other website, almost sounds like a CULT!

It's good to see this in black and white because I could see it happening and I couldn't believe my eyes. I know a pile of good Catholics who just can't seem to grasp that it's going on, and they really, really want to believe that everything's fine. When I have tried to explain it to them they ask, "Where have you gotten your information?" When I say the Internet, immediately they reply "OH! The INTERNET, EH? Well! NO WONDER! Don't you know you can't believe what you read there?" I say, well, I know real people and they have real experiences. Would you like to have their phone numbers? Would you like to meet them too? I can set up a 3-way phone call and you can ask them the same questions you like to ask me, if you don't think they're real people or if you think they're making it all up. They get real quiet then. But they still don't want to hear the news.

Pulling my hair out gets old. What to do? Keep studying, keep reading, keep copying key letters and docuмents, and pass them around, I suppose.

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Anyway the cat was out of the bag, and its been damage control for B. Fellay ever since. When you use ambiguous language it becomes very slippery when you have to dig out the truth of a statement. So B. Fellay has been busy restructuring his sentences when caught speaking this way. So stay tuned, it's not over till its over!

I know a priest who has sent 4 seminarians to the SSPX, and the administration there pretty much used them for target practice. They encouraged the other students to give them a hard time, and said that they did not come from SSPX parishes so they're not really very good starting material. I wondered why that would be, but now seeing what you have above, cosmas, it makes more sense.

They put those four young seminarians through hoops that the others were not required to endure, and there was no reason for it. Finally, each of them left, having given up their vocation, and they all said that IF IT COMES TO HAVING TO BE AN SSPX PRIEST OR ELSE NOT A PRIEST AT ALL, I'D PREFER TO CHOOSE THE LATTER.

I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing happening in the Church prior to this. Maybe I'm just uninformed. But it really doesn't set right with me.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #47 on:** March 15, 2014, 01:01:52 AM »

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Quote from: Matthew

If the SSPX position is good, it's good indefinitely.
If it's no good, you need to leave NOW.

But this LUDICROUS position held by Bp. Fellay, Fr. Angles, and dozens of others, namely, "The current SSPX position can't be held much longer or it WILL lead to schism" - doesn't make sense.

So there's a date on the calendar on which you wake up and the SSPX becomes schismatic? But the day before it wasn't schismatic?

Who determines that date?

Or is it a question of percentages? Right now we're 10% schismatic, later on we'll be 25% schismatic, and eventually we'll be 100% schismatic?

Isn't that like being 34% pregnant?

With certain "statuses", you either are or you aren't.

Either it's schismatic, or it isn't. Today, a year from now, or 200 years from now.

I'll drink to that! :smile: Drinks for everybody!! :drillsergeant:

:alcohol: :alcohol: :smile:

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Wessex · « **Reply #48 on:** March 15, 2014, 05:52:49 AM »

If one routinely repudiates the MSM, as I do, then you are automatically dismissed by those glued to official information as conspiracy theorists. So many people are comfortable giving up their intellect to authority figures and will never doubt their credibility or want to face the shock of disillusionment. Maybe this is an aspect of the herd instinct and those who think independently would find it useful knowing what drives the herd.

cosmas · « **Reply #49 on:** March 16, 2014, 04:00:48 PM »

Fr. Pfeiffer today in St. Marys said Fr. Pflueger made the statement at a priests meeting that Pius X Society would be back with Rome by August of 2014. So B. Fellay has been a busy beaver telling us no way are we going to Rome. In the meantime he's telling us "THAT MAN,POPE FRANCIS IS A MODERNIST " so are we joining Rome or is Rome joining us. Is The Society going to wait until we get a Pope that does a house cleaning by running the Freemasons and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs out of the Vatican or are we going to play along like nothing is wrong and take the attitude of the reigning Pontiff, 'WHO AM I TO JUDGE "?" I'M OKAY YOUR OKAY " NO PROBLEM HERE. "THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND " Pius X Society thinks they've got financial problems now . Just wait till the big split happens. The Society is slowly disintigrating because grace is leaving it because B. Fellay has turned his back on the truth. Its happening just like it happened after Vatican II same slow disintigration. He like Obama should write a book on how to dissemble an organization in a very short time. I just hope B.Fellay is proud of himself.