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Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2018, 05:01:55 PM »
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  • https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2017/07/05/third-secret-of-fatima-false-church-end-times/
    An excerpt from the above interview:

    Zavala then asked about the Third Secret:  “Forgive me for insisting on the Third Secret of Fatima: Did Padre Pio relate it, then, to the loss of faith within the Church?”

    Fr. Gabriele furrows his brow and sticks out his chin. He seems very affected.

    “Indeed,” he states, “One day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: ‘You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.’”

    “Oh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?” I [Zavala] ask.

    “It must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.”

    “Was that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldn’t think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was …?”

    A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.

    And from that same website, photos show a smiling Francis holding up a cross with a snake on it.


    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #2 on: August 10, 2018, 05:20:15 PM »
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    To prepare the rooms for non-Catholics at the Assisi interreligious gatherings, they removed the excellent Italian crucifixes from the walls. I saw a photo of a big pile of crucifixes haphazardly stacked up, as if an invading Moslem horde had been there. 
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    What became of those crucifixes was not described.
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    Now it seems they had to get rid of the old to make way for the new, like with so many things in Newchurch.
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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #3 on: August 11, 2018, 12:13:52 AM »
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  • Whats unbelievable is Bishop Fellay et al ; wants to take The Society of Pius X back into the bosom of the NOVUS ORDO CESSPOOL !  Completely insane, unless you deliberately wanted The Society to ѕυιcιdє itself. Wake Up Bishop Fellay and smell the Sulphur !  Rome right now is a rotting corpse. Only Christ The King will save it. We will probably have to wait for Him to return. In the mean time. Bishop Fellay stay in the desert and feed His sheep. Give them bread instead of stones to eat !!

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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #4 on: August 11, 2018, 12:19:33 AM »
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  • Da, quaesumus, Domine, populo tuo diabolia vitare contagia:
    et te solum Deum pura mente sectari.

    Grant, O Lord, unto Thy people grace to avoid all contact with the devil,
    and with pure minds to follow Thee, the only God.

    Collect for XVII Sunday after Pentecost
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 10:42:39 PM »
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    The veritas-vincit page with all the bad news crosses of Francis:
    https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2017/12/03/is-pope-francis-promoting-a-a-new-kind-of-cross-2/
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    Communist hammer-and-sickle mockery of Christ
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    On July 8, 2015, Pope Francis received – and subsequently kept – a “Communist crucifix” as a gift from Bolivian President Evo Morales (left).  The cross was presented by President Morales to Pope Francis upon his arrival in Bolivia during his South American tour.
    According to reports, Morales told Francis that the “Communist crucifix” was modeled on a design created by the Rev. Luis Espinal, a politically active priest killed in Bolivia in 1980. The Pope stopped and prayed at the site of the shooting of Rev. Espinal.
    One of Espinal’s friends and fellow Jesuits, the Rev. Xavier Albo, said Espinal’s intent was for the church to be in dialogue with Marxism, and said Espinal had altered his crucifix to incorporate the Communists’ most potent symbol: the hammer and sickle. Espinal was one of the foremost proponents of Liberation Theology – a Marxist-leaning theology movement born in South America that was condemned by both Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II.
    In an interview with the press on his way back to Rome after the trip, the Pope defended the “Communist cross” and praised Espinal:
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    Espinal was an enthusiast of this Marxist analysis of the reality, but also of theology using Marxism. From this, he came up with this work. Also the poetry of Espinal was of this kind of protest. But, it was his life, it was his thought. He was a special man, with so much human geniality, who fought in good faith, no? Making a hermeneutic like this, I understand this work. For me it wasn’t an offense, but I had to do this hermeneutic, and I say it to you so that there aren’t any wrong opinions.
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    Feast of Corpus Christi (without the Corpus or the Christi)
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    Is Pope Francis looking to promote a form of new cross that does NOT include Jesus Christ?  On numerous occasions, the Pope has used, received as a gift, and even kissed crosses whose design does not include Jesus, and which bear startling resemblance to occult symbolism. In this article, we review three of these important instances where the Pope was publicly seen with the “new” crosses.

    A “Snake” Cross in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

    Similar to photo below, with brighter exposure, less contrast


    During his visit to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil for World Youth Day on July 27, 2013, Pope Francis was seen holding a most unusual cross during a meeting with cardinals and bishops.

    The Pope was likewise seen kissing the unusual cross (with what seems like a serpent’s head) during the same meeting. The original photo can still be found in Getty Images.

    Somehow the article manages to ignore the pectoral cross Francis wears,
    which never has been one with Our Lord's Corpus on it.
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    IMHO -- it would be an excellent sign things are improving
    if the Pope (perhaps the next one?) would wear
    a pectoral cross like the one Fr. Gabriele Amorth is holding here:
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    Now THAT'S a serious crucifix!
    When the devil sees that coming he knows you mean business.
    Great for exorcisms -- hey, perhaps the Papacy needs one
    (and a St. Benedict crucifix, too, would be a great start!)
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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #6 on: August 11, 2018, 11:40:55 PM »
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  • Do you have an enlargement of the pectoral cross usually worn by Francis?

    From a distance, it appears to be some kind of bas relief or modern art.

    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #7 on: August 12, 2018, 11:40:00 AM »
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  • Thanks for the article, Neil.

    Those pics are scary. 


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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #8 on: August 12, 2018, 12:06:26 PM »
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    The veritas-vincit page with all the bad news crosses of Francis:
    https://veritas-vincit-international.org/2017/12/03/is-pope-francis-promoting-a-a-new-kind-of-cross-2/
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    Communist hammer-and-sickle mockery of Christ
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    On July 8, 2015, Pope Francis received – and subsequently kept – a “Communist crucifix” as a gift from Bolivian President Evo Morales (left).  The cross was presented by President Morales to Pope Francis upon his arrival in Bolivia during his South American tour.
    According to reports, Morales told Francis that the “Communist crucifix” was modeled on a design created by the Rev. Luis Espinal, a politically active priest killed in Bolivia in 1980. The Pope stopped and prayed at the site of the shooting of Rev. Espinal.
    One of Espinal’s friends and fellow Jesuits, the Rev. Xavier Albo, said Espinal’s intent was for the church to be in dialogue with Marxism, and said Espinal had altered his crucifix to incorporate the Communists’ most potent symbol: the hammer and sickle. Espinal was one of the foremost proponents of Liberation Theology – a Marxist-leaning theology movement born in South America that was condemned by both Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II.
    In an interview with the press on his way back to Rome after the trip, the Pope defended the “Communist cross” and praised Espinal:
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    Feast of Corpus Christi (without the Corpus or the Christi)
    .
     
    .

    Is Pope Francis looking to promote a form of new cross that does NOT include Jesus Christ?  On numerous occasions, the Pope has used, received as a gift, and even kissed crosses whose design does not include Jesus, and which bear startling resemblance to occult symbolism. In this article, we review three of these important instances where the Pope was publicly seen with the “new” crosses.

    A “Snake” Cross in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

    Similar to photo below, with brighter exposure, less contrast


    During his visit to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil for World Youth Day on July 27, 2013, Pope Francis was seen holding a most unusual cross during a meeting with cardinals and bishops.

    The Pope was likewise seen kissing the unusual cross (with what seems like a serpent’s head) during the same meeting. The original photo can still be found in Getty Images.

    Somehow the article manages to ignore the pectoral cross Francis wears,
    which never has been one with Our Lord's Corpus on it.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    IMHO -- it would be an excellent sign things are improving
    if the Pope (perhaps the next one?) would wear
    a pectoral cross like the one Fr. Gabriele Amorth is holding here:
    .
    Now THAT'S a serious crucifix!
    When the devil sees that coming he knows you mean business.
    Great for exorcisms -- hey, perhaps the Papacy needs one
    (and a St. Benedict crucifix, too, would be a great start!)
    Source page:



    Two of the images of that cross are quite different, and I have to wonder if one is photoshopped.

    In the lower photo, the weird blue shape in the middle of the cross isn't at all the same as it looks in the image of the same cross in the upper smaller photo. The photo on the lower part of the page shows the blue shape as being a sort of circular shape, while the photo on the upper part of the page shows that blue shape as being a straight vertical shape.  Something seems amiss.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #9 on: August 12, 2018, 12:09:26 PM »
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  • More than 70,000 exorcisms in 30 years??

    Anyone done the math on those numbers?

    If Fr. Amorth did exorcisms 7 days/week, without ever taking a day off, the numbers look like this:

    -70,000 exorcisms / 30 years = 2,333 exorcisms/year.

    -2,333 exorcisms/year / 365 days/year = 6.4 exorcisms/day.

    ...every day, for decades (ie, If he ever missed a day, the actual amount of exorcisms/day on subsequent days would have to be even higher to squeeze the 70k into the 30 year timeframe).

    And if any of those exorcisms ever took more than a day, then Fr Amorth would have to perform way more than 6.4/day to make up for lost time, in order to hit 70k in 30 years.

    Then there is the logistic issue: How was Fr Amorth able to get in front of 6.4 possessed people every day for 30 years?  If he didn’t, then once again, he would have had to have done many more exorcisms on other occasions to make up for the deficit and still hit the 70k mark in 30 years.

    Apparently, Fr Amorth was also very efficient during his exorcisms: If he only slept 4 hours/day, always performing 6.4 exorcisms/day, that would leave 20 hours/day to perform 6.4 exorcisms (or, 3 hours/exorcism from start to finish).  And that is without allowing 1 second for eating, potty breaks, travel time, showering, or anything else in the course of even one single day.

    It would seem Fr. Amorth was one busy priest!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: FALSE CHURCH,FR. AMORTH AND PADRE PIO
    « Reply #10 on: August 12, 2018, 04:23:51 PM »
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    IMHO -- it would be an excellent sign things are improving
    if the Pope (perhaps the next one?) would wear
    a pectoral cross like the one Fr. Gabriele Amorth is holding here:
    .
    Now THAT'S a serious crucifix!
    When the devil sees that coming he knows you mean business.
    Great for exorcisms -- hey, perhaps the Papacy needs one
    (and a St. Benedict crucifix, too, would be a great start!)
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    I agree, the crucifixes the last few popes have used are awful.

    Could someone help me understand the great attachment people have to the "St Benedict Cross" also called the Happy Death Cross?

    Prior to 1992, these crucifixes were unseen and unheard of, outside perhaps a Benedictine monastery.  I looked through wholesale religious catalogues going back to 1960 and nary a one.  In 1992 the 101 Foundation in New York started importing them from a Benedictine in Italy who was hand making them in wood and they sold for $110.00  U.S. for a 3-4 inch crucifix.
    Well like anything else, some manufacturer saw them and figured he could make a buck so over the next 5 years or so they started appearing in every color, size and material.

    Now this is the part I have a problem with.

    The Jubilee medal of St. Benedict (first struck in the 1800's) is impressed into the cross.  On the medal St. Benedict is holding a crucifix . It was the power of the crucified Christ that he used to dispel demons.
    Never before, traditionally, has anyone ever been added to a Crucifix.   Mary, who was immaculate and shared in the passion of Our Lord was never added so why a mere mortal, regardless of his now being a saint?  He had absolutely nothing to do with our redemption !  The Crucifix is THE SIGN of our redemption.
    St Benedict Jubilee Medals have been attached to rosaries since their fist appearance but never incorporated into anything least of all a crucifix.

    There is NOTHING that can make a crucifix more powerful, Christ doesn't need any help,so what's the big attraction?

    I think St. Benedict would be mortified.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]