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Offline Incredulous

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Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
« on: January 16, 2018, 11:23:29 PM »
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    • Leaving SSPX


    Dear TIA,

    Your articles on the SSPX are very interesting. I thought you might be interested in the perspective of a lay person who left his SSPX parish this summer, after being there almost 8 years.

    Here, in no particular prioritized order, are my reasons for leaving:


    • The SSPX model does not work. Their priests are spread too thin among multiple parish assignments and they have no training in the management of a parish. Consequently, parish life is one-dimensional, half-baked, without coherent channels of communication, and in a constant state of chaos and confusion.


    2. Both faithful and clergy of the SSPX have developed a compound schismatic mentality. First, they consistently attract a variety of bad Catholics and heretics such as Feeneyites, sedevacantists, “Benevacantists” and “Resistance” sympathizers. Second, they have succuмbed to the conceit that they are the be-all and end-all of tradition, and that other traditional groups are to be shunned as inferior (or worse) – especially diocesan parishes who are attempting to preserve tradition. The attitude behind this conceit, I’m afraid, is that the SSPX is now the true Church, and that everyone else (i.e. Rome) is tainted and Modernist. A very curious mentality, given that the SSPX can’t keep its own house in order and cultivates a dangerous and unhealthy spiritual environment.

    3. The SSPX is completely in-bred, resulting in a xenophobia that exacerbates point #2.

    4. Instead of spiritual nourishment, which was meager at best and superficial lip service at worst, my former parish is constantly preoccupied with fund-raisers. This results in a coarse, almost materialistic spirit. It seems that in this they are following the U.S. District, though, since the District Superior’s newsletters are almost always requests for money.

    5. In addition to attracting laity with various defects of faith, which it does nothing to correct, the SSPX attracts well above its share of infantile, dysfunctional, abrasive personalities, some of whom, unfortunately, are placed in positions of authority, though they are not qualified to hold those positions, and who consequently make life miserable for others on a regular basis.
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    When I informed our parish priest and two other SSPX priests of my decision to leave, I was greeted with the most embarrassing arguments imaginable – arguments which, in fact, confirmed that I was doing the right thing.

    In conclusion, if any of your readers are contemplating attending an SSPX parish, I would advise them against it, except as a last resort. And then, beware.

         God bless your work!

         J.I.[/font][/size]
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 04:30:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 16, 2018, 11:23:29 PM
    Leaving SSPX


    Dear TIA,

    Your articles on the SSPX are very interesting. I thought you might be interested in the perspective of a lay person who left his SSPX parish this summer, after being there almost 8 years.

    Here, in no particular prioritized order, are my reasons for leaving:


    • The SSPX model does not work. Their priests are spread too thin among multiple parish assignments and they have no training in the management of a parish. Consequently, parish life is one-dimensional, half-baked, without coherent channels of communication, and in a constant state of chaos and confusion.


    2. Both faithful and clergy of the SSPX have developed a compound schismatic mentality. First, they consistently attract a variety of bad Catholics and heretics such as Feeneyites, sedevacantists, “Benevacantists” and “Resistance” sympathizers. Second, they have succuмbed to the conceit that they are the be-all and end-all of tradition, and that other traditional groups are to be shunned as inferior (or worse) – especially diocesan parishes who are attempting to preserve tradition. The attitude behind this conceit, I’m afraid, is that the SSPX is now the true Church, and that everyone else (i.e. Rome) is tainted and Modernist. A very curious mentality, given that the SSPX can’t keep its own house in order and cultivates a dangerous and unhealthy spiritual environment.

    3. The SSPX is completely in-bred, resulting in a xenophobia that exacerbates point #2.

    4. Instead of spiritual nourishment, which was meager at best and superficial lip service at worst, my former parish is constantly preoccupied with fund-raisers. This results in a coarse, almost materialistic spirit. It seems that in this they are following the U.S. District, though, since the District Superior’s newsletters are almost always requests for money.

    5. In addition to attracting laity with various defects of faith, which it does nothing to correct, the SSPX attracts well above its share of infantile, dysfunctional, abrasive personalities, some of whom, unfortunately, are placed in positions of authority, though they are not qualified to hold those positions, and who consequently make life miserable for others on a regular basis.
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    When I informed our parish priest and two other SSPX priests of my decision to leave, I was greeted with the most embarrassing arguments imaginable – arguments which, in fact, confirmed that I was doing the right thing.

    In conclusion, if any of your readers are contemplating attending an SSPX parish, I would advise them against it, except as a last resort. And then, beware.

         God bless your work!

         J.I.[/font][/size]
    Incredulous, someone did reply to that above post on TIA:


     
    SSPX Does a Good Job


    TIA,

     I do not want to stir bitter controversy but I do want to comment.

     Concerning the person who comments on leaving SSPX, may I make a comment ?
    • The SSPX is a lifeboat in a very rough sea; no-one can imagine that life on the lifeboat will be smooth and well-organized. Times are confusing.
    • For many people there is no reasonable alternative; no "indult mass" no other Traditional orders.
    • The SSPX & followers helped me: I am a convert and wanted to be Conditionally Baptized; when I asked a number of priests they almost shook with fright and anxiety. An SSPX supporter priest was the only one who would give me this grace. The same was true of our last baby's baptism; again other priests quaked when asked for immediate Old Rite Baptism - undelayed after the birth. SSPX priest did it easily and with no problems. As one Irish friend of mine said "They'll give you the whole package."
    • It is easy to criticize the SSPX, but where would we be now without SSPX and Msgr Lefebvre's public witness? They are NOT perfect and in many ways not all right, but they do a good job.
         A.J.D.R.


     
    Posted December 26, 2017
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 04:37:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 16, 2018, 11:23:29 PM
    Here, in no particular prioritized order, are my reasons for leaving:
    Overall, these seem like pretty stupid, even petty reasons to leave....and then what? Where is this guy going - back to the NO? Wherever he goes he will find something/someone to complain about because for the most part, that's the way it is in this crisis, it is a part of this crisis imo.

    It's not that he doesn't have valid points, but the guy should have mentioned something about the main reason the SSPX, indeed, the whole of traditionalism even exists at all - the Mass and the sacraments, everything else he says is of little consequence in comparison and certainly no reason to leave.

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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 08:21:53 AM »
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    • Stupid comments.  These are reasons for leaving the SSPX?  Sounds like somebody with sour grapes syndrome looking for justifications.

    There are nutty people in EVERY group, and there's nothing unique about SSPX in attracting some of these types.  In fact, the strange people at SSPX pale in comparison to some I've run into at various Motu communities and St. Peter Society.  And I take exception to his characterizing people with various theological positions (sedevacantists, Feeneyites) as bad Catholics and/or heretics.

    Fund-raisers are a necessity.  How many Novus Ordo parishes are constantly doing fund raisers and holding Bingo nights, etc.?  Eastern Rite parishes do little more than have ethnic food sales all your round.  In many cases, they need these things to stay afloat.

    As to the bunker mentality, some of that simply can't be helped when Tradition has been MARGINALIZED and people find themselves attending Mass at rented hotel conference areas and in dumpy little house-like buildings.

    With regard to priest being spread to thin, certain people think it more important for the faithful to receive the Sacraments and attend Mass than for the priest to be the social glue of a parish.  And that seems reasonable to me that it would be a higher priority, no?  I'd rather receive the Sacrament of Confession than play basketball with the local priest.  I've got plenty of other people to buddy around with.

    This guy is a complete self-righteous jackass.



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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 09:32:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on January 17, 2018, 04:30:15 AM
    Incredulous, someone did reply to that above post on TIA:


     
    SSPX Does a Good Job


    TIA,

     I do not want to stir bitter controversy but I do want to comment.

     Concerning the person who comments on leaving SSPX, may I make a comment ?
    • The SSPX is a lifeboat in a very rough sea; no-one can imagine that life on the lifeboat will be smooth and well-organized. Times are confusing.
    • For many people there is no reasonable alternative; no "indult mass" no other Traditional orders.
    • The SSPX & followers helped me: I am a convert and wanted to be Conditionally Baptized; when I asked a number of priests they almost shook with fright and anxiety. An SSPX supporter priest was the only one who would give me this grace. The same was true of our last baby's baptism; again other priests quaked when asked for immediate Old Rite Baptism - undelayed after the birth. SSPX priest did it easily and with no problems. As one Irish friend of mine said "They'll give you the whole package."
    • It is easy to criticize the SSPX, but where would we be now without SSPX and Msgr Lefebvre's public witness? They are NOT perfect and in many ways not all right, but they do a good job.
       A.J.D.R.


     
    Posted December 26, 2017
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    Sorry, but the SSPX is no longer a safe lifeboat  :facepalm:



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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 10:01:24 AM »
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    First, they consistently attract a variety of bad Catholics and heretics such as Feeneyites, sedevacantists, “Benevacantists” and “Resistance” sympathizers.
    This tells me all I need to know, this person is an idiot with no conviction.

    "One man with conviction will overwhelm one hundred who have only opinions".
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #6 on: January 17, 2018, 10:43:22 AM »
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    • Maybe this guy is one who needs to spend a few years or so and find himself a priest that suits him (good luck) and then go pick up the priest from the airport and take him to a hotel room, basement, hall or wherever Mass can be held, but first he can rent the space out of his own pocket and then ask for donations from whoever else can make it.

    Then he can also set up the sacristy, which means of course he will have first somehow attained the altar cloth, altar cards, candles, chalice, ciborium, cruits, bells, patens, chairs and etc. - load them from his house and lug those around in his car, then out of his car into the hotel and up to the room - and remember to take everything back down after Mass, also feed and maybe house the priest and take him back to the airport - you know, spend at least a few hundred dollars and a full day working for his Mass and sacraments - and do that for a decade or so for every Mass.

    Maybe he'd see things more clearly - at least that's one way to get over the petty crap he's so worried about.    
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #7 on: January 17, 2018, 02:50:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 16, 2018, 11:23:29 PM
    Leaving SSPX


    Dear TIA,


    • The SSPX model does not work. Their priests are spread too thin among multiple parish assignments and they have no training in the management of a parish. Consequently, parish life is one-dimensional, half-baked, without coherent channels of communication, and in a constant state of chaos and confusion.

    Welcome to The Crisis buddy, keep your hands arms and legs inside The Church at all times, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride!  :heretic:
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 02:59:21 PM »
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    •  “In addition to attracting laity with various defects of faith, which it does nothing to correct, the SSPX attracts well above its share of infantile, dysfunctional, abrasive personalities, some of whom, unfortunately, are placed in positions of authority, though they are not qualified to hold those positions, and who consequently make life miserable for others on a regular basis.
    When I informed our parish priest and two other SSPX priests of my decision to leave, I was greeted with the most embarrassing arguments imaginable – arguments which, in fact, confirmed that I was doing the right thing. 

    In conclusion, if any of your readers are contemplating attending an SSPX parish, I would advise them against it, except as a last resort. And then, beware.”



    Snowflakes at SSPX? 
    Oh dear :facepalm:
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 03:00:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Carissima on January 17, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
    Welcome to The Crisis buddy, keep your hands arms and legs inside The Church at all times, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride!  :heretic:
    Heh, it may even cost you your life.
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #10 on: January 17, 2018, 08:46:44 PM »
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    • Incredulous: Sorry, but the SSPX is no longer a safe lifeboat  

    Since the year 2000 it began to have doubts whether it was or should be a lifeboat and/or whether the mother ship was in fact sinking. It is of use for the sacraments but of no use in combating the crisis in the Church.
    My take.
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    Re: Faithful's departure from SSPX explained
    « Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 09:38:29 AM »
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    • This post was shared by a poster on the Facebook page of The Catholic Resistance

    Been going to SSPX for the last 24 years, when I got married...very confused at the time...but that was my husband's position, very militant. Now that I know better and understand the conflict by obedience keep silent....but the fact is I see the changes, I have read and not only they are more permissive the very young priests, but all the sacrifices and homeschooling and practices of the faith, have gone down the drain...my children don't have the same opinion as I. I have given 24 years and my priest is so "out with the old and on with the new" . I have suffered 8 months of you show no humity and you are to proud.....my problem while everyone continues ignorant I read. God have mercy on me!
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