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    These videos are from 4 years ago, uploaded May 25th, 2011,
    two years ago, which was almost 2 years after the fact of the
    recording.

    The series is about 3.5 hours of boredom punctuated by several
    moments of intense alarm, which seems to be typical of B. Fellay
    speeches.  If you doze off you'll miss the thing that you came to
    hear, if anything.  

    This was given just after the so-called excoms were so-called lifted,
    and the +W interview was published the same day.  +F points out
    how a newspaper article in Germany announced the upcoming
    so-called lifting of the so-called excoms that would occur on the
    same day as the +W interview.  Also +F says that he was given
    a copy of the so-called lifting that was dated 4 days in the future,
    which would have been 4 days before the +W interview was aired,
    and +F knew about all of this 4 days in advance.  Therefore, the
    Pope also knew about it in advance but the so-called lifting
    papers had already been drafted and handed over to +F and
    who knows who else, and when the news hit the streets those
    "in the know" were therefore already on top of it.


    This obviously raises the question:

    When +F wrote his letter to the three bishops on April 14th, 2012
    saying that he had not made any accommodations with apostate
    Rome toward "a practical agreement" and that, (clearly), "a
    personal prelature is not a trap," and then the next day came up
    with his AFD (a.k.a. his Dialectical Doctrinal Declaration), which
    did precisely that -- how could he say the day before that he
    was not going to do something, when he apparently was
    full-well aware that he was in fact going to do it the next day?


    Quote from: In his letter to the Three Bishops 4-14-12, B. Fellay

    ...
    So that as for the most crucial question of all, that of whether we can survive in the case of the Society being recognised by Rome, we do not arrive at the same conclusion as you do.

    Let it be noted in passing that we did not look for a practical agreement. That is false. All we have done is not refuse a priori, as you ask us to do, to consider the Popes [sic] offer. For the common good of the Society, we would far prefer the present solution of the intermediary status quo but it is clear that Rome will put up with it no longer.*

    In itself, the proposed solution of a personal Prelature is not a trap. That is clear firstly from the fact that the present situation in April of 2012 is very different from that of 1988. To claim that nothing has changed is a historic error. The same evils are making the Church suffer, the consequences are even more serious and obvious than ever; but at the same time one may observe a change of attitude in the Church, helped by the gestures and acts of Benedict XVI towards Tradition. This new movement which started about ten years ago is growing stronger. It includes a good number (still a minority) of young priests, seminarians and even a small number now of young bishops who are clearly to be distinguished from their predecessors, who tell us of their sympathy and support, but who are still somewhat stifled by the dominant line in the hierarchy in favour of Vatican II. This hierarchy is loosing speed. That is an objective fact and shows that it is no longer an illusion to think of a fight arising within the Church, even if we are well aware of how long and difficult it will be. I have been able to observe in Rome that even if the glories of Vatican II are still in the mouths of many, and are pushed down our throats, is nevertheless not in all the heads. Fewer and fewer Romans believe in Vatican II.

    This concrete situation, together with the canonical solution being proposed, is very different from that of 1988 and when we compare the arguments given by Archbishop Lefebvre at that time we draw the conclusion that he would not have hesitated to accept what is being proposed to us. Let us not loose that sense of the Church, which was so strong in our venerated founder.
    ...


    * Why should we care whether apostate Rome "will put up with"
    something any longer, or not?



    Part 3 of +F's visit to Pittsburgh PA, June 21, 2009
    post-confirmation talk (3-1/2 hrs in a tent):


    At 13:42  +F gives the hand signals for being "narrow minded."


    Part 4


    11:90  Pope Benedict at the Colosseum, Way of the Cross, said that
    the Church is a boat that is sinking.

    Recall that very recently (in 2013) criticisms against the Resistance
    are made when we say the ExSPX is now a sinking ship.



    Part 5


    5:28  +F pauses mid-sentence for 5 seconds to be sure he does not
    accidentally quote +Williamson, then says, "Two plus two equals three,"
    in the same context for which +W says "2 + 2 = 5" -- but this is not
    imitation of his nemesis, of course.  Of course not.  He's saying what
    his audience wants to hear -- anything but +Williamson!!!

    10:47  (4 second pause to be sure not to make a mistake)  "So, we are
    under Benedict XVI."


    Part 9


    part 9 minute 2 -- +W's interview

    minute 14 -- 15 death threats to Fr. Schmidberger because of +W's interview
    and schools "inspected" for anti-Semitism in Germany and Argentina (where
    +W was expelled by the Jєωess president).



    In part 10


    8:20 the problem is at the doctrinal level

    10:30 it's better than Agatha Christi (joke)

    11:50 "they" (Newrome) know where we would go, but "for now, they
    are in control"  -- it sounds like +F thinks he is on the verge of personally
    overtaking the power of Newrome (since he has managed to do that
    with the SSPX already).



    part 11


    3:00 a letter from the Pope says the Society will not have a canonical
    approval before the doctrinal problems are solved.

    --Notice: now this is the POPE'S idea, and apparently no longer ABL's idea.

    5:07 after all of the letters +F has written to the Pope, he has never
    received an answer, not even the spiritual bouquets.  Nothing.  

    -- Well, now we know why +F doesn't respond to letters!  He's passing
    on the same treatment he gets from Newrome.  This is according to the
    principle that when you go to a retail store and you are treated rudely
    by the clerks in the store, the REASON that is happening is, that is the
    way the management treats the employees - they learn from their
    superiors how to behave.  As ABL says, the superiors form the subjects.

    +Fellay is becoming more and more like the corrupt officials in Rome in
    everything he does, and perhaps he doesn't notice it, but it's true.  At
    the same time, he tries to parse his words according to what his present
    audience wants to hear, like a politician, so as to 'earn' their 'vote'.


    6:00 the (conciliar) Church is dying - it is finished.

    -- This is what the Dutch re-branding company told him the public image
    is of the conciliar Catholic church.

    12:30  we are in a state of necessity -- never mind that when the Newmass
    is legitimately promulgated there is no state of necessity.



    These videos have hundreds of views already, but only one or two
    thumb votes each.  Members of this CI forum alone could easily
    overthrow the vote count on all of +F's videos on the Net.  Would it
    make any difference?  It could wake up a few fence-sitters.  

    part 12


    Begins with state of necessity theme, continued.  He does not mention
    (of course!) the LOSS of necessity if we recognize the promulgation of
    the Newmass and its legitimacy.  
    The Newmass was never promulgated (FACT).  
    The Newmass can never be promulgated (FACT).  
    The Newmass is not valid matter for papal promulgation (FACT).
    The Newmass can never be legitimate (FACT).
    Therefore, to say it's legitimately promulgated is STUPID, but then
    to say that we have a state of necessity anyway is DOUBLE STUPID.


    8:00 Ecclesia Dei is about to be remodeled because this has been
    predicted and because all the top leadership is being replaced, so
    just be patient, wait and see what happens.

    10:50  We're in a tunnel (quoting himself from Winona the other day)
    and we can see light at the end of the tunnel.  But we can't see the
    hazards and difficulties ahead, and "I have no idear" [sic] how long
    it will take. "I have no idear."

    13:00  We are over the depth of the wave.  We are not there (some
    where in this 'wave' of difficulty? - snickering)

    14:00  I have been told by a lady who was [sic] as a spiritual guide,
    Padre Pio.  Padre Pio said, You will count the faithful in the Church with
    your hands.  That means very, very few...  How many have the Faith?  

    --  Uuuhh, Your Excellency, do YOU have the faith?  


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