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Author Topic: Excommunicated: Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn ?  (Read 14138 times)

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Re: Excommunicated: Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn ?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2025, 10:05:46 AM »
“On Sunday night, May 20, when the Archbishop arrived back at the seminary at a late hour from Kansas, somewhat tired and travel-weary, no sooner had he stepped out of the car than he was served with a civil court summons in a suit to evict the Society from the seminary property here in Connecticut, a suit fled by Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn.
Those standing by noticed and will not easily forget the look of pain on the face of the Archbishop, who it must be remembered was their Father in the priesthood. Now according to the old Code of Canon Law, anyone citing a Catholic bishop before a civil judge incurs automatic excommunication (canon 2341).Hence, according to the only Code of Canon Law which they themselves recognize, these five priests are excommunicated.”

—Bishop Williamson, Letters from the Rector - Volume 1: The Ridgefield Letters, June 5, 1984.
The only legal recourse would have been the JPII modernist courts using the op logic.  Quoting the 1983 code really shows where your coming from. Completely opposite world views.  

Re: Excommunicated: Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn ?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2025, 11:23:15 AM »
Yes, I think that their out would be that technically Archbishop Lefebvre was not their superior, since he lacked jurisdiction ... except that 2341 itself is broader and would seem to include any bishop.

I would have to agree with Bishop Williamson's assessment.

So, in the first part, it says that if you bring a Cardinal, Legate of the Holy See, an Official of the Roman Curia, or your own Ordinary, you incur ipso facto excommunication reserved to the Holy See "in a special mode".  But, then it goes on that if you bring another bishop (abbot, etc.), "even merely a titular [bishop]" before such a judge, you incur excommunication reserved to the Holy See in a "simple form".  Now, I can't tell you the difference between excommunication reserved to the Holy See "speciali modo" vs. "simpliciter", but both are excommunication reserved to the Holy See somehow.

Nor does this one here required that the individual dragging them into (the force of "trahere") a lay court would have to be a cleric, as per that other version.

Property matters are not included. It seems the canon specifically talks about office and religious matters being put before a civil court.


Re: Excommunicated: Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn ?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2025, 11:23:37 AM »

I am going to take his grace B. Williamsons side on this one.

Bishop Williamson chose wisely in deciding to major in music rather than Canon Law.

I've often pondered what the Bishop's boyhood dinner table conversations were like when his Dad came home from a long day working at the Zionist Brit retailer. Marks Spencer.


:laugh1:

Re: Excommunicated: Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn ?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2025, 06:05:58 PM »

Bishop Williamson chose wisely in deciding to major in music rather than Canon Law.

I've often pondered what the Bishop's boyhood dinner table conversations were like when his Dad came home from a long day working at the Zionist Brit retailer. Marks Spencer.


:laugh1:

“Whoever summons a bishop before a civil court incurs, by that very fact, an excommunication reserved in a special manner to the Apostolic See.”

Canon 2341 (1917 CIC)

Re: Excommunicated: Fathers Cekada, Dolan, Jenkins, Kelly and Sanborn ?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2025, 06:30:33 PM »
While I agree with the Nine's actual positions, I do wi, they did lose a lot of support from the faithful due to the manner in which they conducted themselves, which hurt them more in the long term, and Father Cekada had to have been the worst, where he spoke in very derogatory ways to and about the Archbishop during the court proceedings ... may God have mercy on his soul.
I'm sure Fr. Cekada has paid for what he said to and about the Archbishop just by suffering his own agonizing, cancerous death five years ago.