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Online Ladislaus

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Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2021, 08:57:40 AM »
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  • There's no real evidence that +Vigano isn't writing his own articles.

    Of course there isn't.

    Mattei knows that just by tossing this out there he's sowing FUD so as to discredit +Vigano as much as he can ... because he doesn't like the message.  He knows that he can accomplish that even without proof and puts +Vigano into the unenviable position of having to prove a negative.  Even if +Vigano were to write out a letter on video and hold it up to the camera, they would claim that someone else composed it and he just committed it to memory.  This is a form of calumny and Mattei needs to go to confession.

    I compare this to what Bishop Kelly did regarding the validity of the +Thuc line.  None of his arguments have any merit whatsoever, but throwing it out there is enough to cause concern, especially among scrupulous types.

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #91 on: June 26, 2021, 11:06:09 AM »
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    Quote from: Marion on Wed Jun 23 2021 00:03:29 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)


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    "An esteemed historian who writes an approved biography of the leader of a counterfeit-Catholic sect but neglects to inform his readers that the leader's Great Uncle, the pre-eminent formative influence on the leader's life according to the biography, was a Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Brazil.

    Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira (man-god of the counterfeit-Catholic sects TFP, TIA, etc.) surely was some sort of gnostic/rosicrucian/freemason/you-name-it, but he wasn't Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Brazil. You can find all those freemason Grand Masters named on pt.wikipedia:

    https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grande_Oriente_do_Brasil#Hist%C3%B3rico_de_Gr%C3%A3o-Mestres

    and probable also somewhere on:

    https://www.gob.org.br


    Even though at this point it's a bit of a digression, and perhaps not that important to the discussion - to revisit this point above:  

    The quote did not say that Plinio was the Grand Master; it said the "pre-eminent formative influence on [Plineo's] life according to the biography, was a Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Brazil."  

    In other words:
    - Roberto de Mattei writes a book about Plineo.
    - In it, he mentions that the pre-eminent formative influence on Plineo's life was his Great Uncle.
    - But RdM does not mention that that uncle who was such a pre-eminent formative influence was a Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Brazil.

    At least, that is how I understood the quote.

    "The Great Uncle's name was João Alfredo Correia de Oliveira and he was elected Grand Master of the Grand Orient of Brazil in 1881."

    Although the wikipedia link above doesn't show João Alfredo Correia de Oliveira listed as Grand Master [imagine wikipedia not being accurate!], there is a wayback page that does.  

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141217142024/http://www.museumaconicoparanaense.com/Pot_GOB_GM_Rel.htm

    1881/05/05 a 1881/07/04João Alfredo Correia de Oliveira- pede exoneração, em seguida Adj.




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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #92 on: June 26, 2021, 11:11:55 AM »
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  • Any Italian speakers out there want to volunteer to give us a Cliffs Notes of this talk? 

    https://doncurzionitoglia.wordpress.com/2021/06/23/dietro-lattacco-a-vigano-si-intravede-la-mano-di-oscuri-poteri-mondialisti-intervista-di-francesco-toscano-a-don-curzio-nitoglia/

    "Behind the attack on Viganó you can glimpse the hand of obscure global powers", interview by Francesco Toscano with Don Curzio Nitoglia


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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #93 on: June 26, 2021, 12:35:01 PM »
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  • B from A, thank you for the correction and additional information!
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #94 on: June 26, 2021, 12:38:33 PM »
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  • Even if +Vigano were to write out a letter on video and hold it up to the camera, they would claim that someone else composed it and he just committed it to memory.  This is a form of calumny and Mattei needs to go to confession.


    I wouldn't. If I saw Viganò on a video, saying that de Mattei is plain wrong, I would believe that de Mattei is plain wrong.
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #95 on: June 26, 2021, 02:53:47 PM »
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  • I wouldn't. If I saw Viganò on a video, saying that de Mattei is plain wrong, I would believe that de Mattei is plain wrong.
    But you read Mattei saying Vigano doesn't write his own material and you do not dismiss it?
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #96 on: June 26, 2021, 03:46:46 PM »
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  • Mattei is just talking, ( I think he is a little envious of all the attention towards Vigano)
    So do all who live to see such times but it is not for them to decide, all you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #97 on: June 26, 2021, 08:16:34 PM »
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  • But you read Mattei saying Vigano doesn't write his own material and you do not dismiss it?
    I don't care whether Viganò uses a typewriter, a typist, a ghost writer, or whatever, as long as he says: "These writings were published under my name, and yes, they express my positions, and yes, I wanted them published."

    There have been Italians, who doubted his authorship more than a year or so ago. One Conciliar "priest" wrote about it on some Italian blog. He noticed a change in style in the "Archbishop"s writings. Also, several commenters agreed. This enforced my already existing suspicions. I thought the whole Trump hype was somewhat understandable, but ultimately rather soft-headed.

    I don't care about Roberto de Mattei. Even he had published an article in the Italian "Il Tempo" titled "Trump won, now Pope Bergoglio will turn leader of the international leftísts" or similar.

    Here on CI, people are waiting for Viganò being consecrated in the rite of the Church, waiting for Viganò accepting the resistance, or even joining the resistance. I don't see any sign that Viganò might be ready to join hollowhoaxdeniers (Williamson).

    All want to see a sign. I'm not special. I want to see that the Viganò writings published during the plandemic really are of his.
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #98 on: June 26, 2021, 08:35:14 PM »
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  • I don't care whether Viganò uses a typewriter, a typist, a ghost writer, or whatever, as long as he says: "These writings were published under my name, and yes, they express my positions, and yes, I wanted them published."

    There have been Italians, who doubted his authorship more than a year or so ago. One Conciliar "priest" wrote about it on some Italian blog. He noticed a change in style in the "Archbishop"s writings. Also, several commenters agreed. This enforced my already existing suspicions. I thought the whole Trump hype was somewhat understandable, but ultimately rather soft-headed.

    I don't care about Roberto de Mattei. Even he had published an article in the Italian "Il Tempo" titled "Trump won, now Pope Bergoglio will turn leader of the international leftísts" or similar.

    Here on CI, people are waiting for Viganò being consecrated in the rite of the Church, waiting for Viganò accepting the resistance, or even joining the resistance. I don't see any sign that Viganò might be ready to join hollowhoaxdeniers (Williamson).

    All want to see a sign. I'm not special. I want to see that the Viganò writings published during the plandemic really are of his.

    Marion-

    Brian McCall notes that Vigano has personally given several speeches or conferences in the past year (eg., Jericho; Catholic Identity Conference; 2-3 more), in which the Archbishop has said substantially the same things regarding V2 and the Great Reset as in the letters in which Mattei pretends to find stylistic discrepancies.

    Does he have a body double too?
    Disagreeing with Ladislaus is heretical and blasphemous!

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #99 on: June 26, 2021, 08:37:54 PM »
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  • "Behind the attack on Viganó you can glimpse the hand of obscure global powers", interview by Francesco Toscano with Don Curzio Nitoglia

    Perhaps they see +Vigano as a threat to their subversion and infiltration of the Church.

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #100 on: June 26, 2021, 09:57:28 PM »
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  • Marion-

    Brian McCall notes that Vigano has personally given several speeches or conferences in the past year (eg., Jericho; Catholic Identity Conference; 2-3 more), in which the Archbishop has said substantially the same things regarding V2 and the Great Reset as in the letters in which Mattei pretends to find stylistic discrepancies.

    Does he have a body double too?

    Here's what you quoted from Brian McCall:


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    As to this absurd and unfounded accusation that there is some secret behind the scenes author, how does Professor De Mattei explain the fact that many of the interventions of the past year are transcripts of conferences given by Archbishop Viganò personally and recorded in video or audio form (until YouTube deletes them). For example, his text from the Catholic Identity Conference was delivered via video. His speech at the Jericho March in Washington was also preserved in video as was his speech to the Venice Philosophy Festival. Does Professor De Mattei think that there is some Archbishop Viganò impersonator who gave these recorded lectures? The Archbishop himself publicly denied this scurrilous accusation (although I guess De Mattei might claim that was merely his double speaking).

    Reading this when you first posted it, I thought Conciliar shill McCall was talking about allegedly deleted videos. Why does he then say "preserved" and not provide a link? Now that you mention it again, I found the "Jericho March" speech on the youtube channel of the Concilar shill, Dr Taylor Marshall:



    Well, thanks SeanJohnson, that proves to me that Viganò is alive, probably aware of what is published under his name, and able to disclaim in case folks should publish writings under his name which are not of his. Thank you very much. I hadn't been aware of this. Thank you for your finally successful efforts to convince me.


    P.S.: He's optimistic, that the Deep State will fall like Jericho (5:20). I agree. Our Lord sure will come soon to make it happen, we'll hear the seventh trumρet. But I think much more than just the Deep State is the problem. In my mind, it's this whole godless / heretical modern society.

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