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Offline PAT317

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Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2022, 08:48:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: WantToBeBetter on July 06, 2022, 11:57:59 PM
    At the time, the SSPX was in real danger of being banned in Germany due to Bishop Williamson's continuing public statements on the matter.

    Can you please list the "continuing public statements on the matter" from 1990 to 2008 (the time of the Swedish TV interview where he was specifically asked about it)?  Or provide a list from the Swedish TV interview until his expulsion from the SSPX?
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #16 on: July 07, 2022, 09:37:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: PAT317 on July 07, 2022, 08:48:30 AM
    Can you please list the "continuing public statements on the matter" from 1990 to 2008 (the time of the Swedish TV interview where he was specifically asked about it)?  Or provide a list from the Swedish TV interview until his expulsion from the SSPX?

    I'm guessing that by "continuing" what was meant was that Bishop Williamson refused to recant/retract his comments (as mentioned by this video).
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #17 on: July 07, 2022, 12:55:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 07, 2022, 09:37:06 AM
    I'm guessing that by "continuing" what was meant was that Bishop Williamson refused to recant/retract his comments (as mentioned by this video).

    Possibly, but I find that many people have the false impression that +W was making "continuing public statements on the matter" through the years, both before & after the interview, and they don't just mean his refusal to retract.  Only WantToBeBetter can tell us in this instance what he meant. 
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #18 on: July 07, 2022, 04:01:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 07, 2022, 07:26:25 AM
    Yes, he single-handedly derailed the SSPX-Vatican talks.  I'm convinced that the SSPX would long ago have been absorbed had it not been for Bishop Williamson.  And that has caused me to wonder whether this was a deliberate and calculated move on +Williamson's part.  Since the entire purpose / point behind installing Ratzinger as pope was to re-absorb the bulk of Traditional Catholicism, when that failed, thanks to Bishop Williamson, he was told by his handlers to step down.  Thus we found the suit-and-tie-wearing uber-Modernist from Vatican II speaking Latin to the Cardinals, issuing the Motu, and playing the part of "God's Rotweiller" (while still being best buds with various arch-heretics).  He played his part well, and it duped many Traditional Catholics.  In fact, many Catholics remain duped ... in promoting their Bennyvacantism.
    A calculated move? Now that you say that, it really could have been. Really smart of the bishop.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #19 on: July 07, 2022, 05:45:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: ServusInutilisDomini on July 07, 2022, 04:01:54 PM
    A calculated move? Now that you say that, it really could have been. Really smart of the bishop.

    I have no evidence for this ... just an idle thought.  If it wasn't Bishop Williamson, then God certainly set up the whole situation.  Otherwise, SSPX would have been dead and buried over 10 years ago.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #20 on: July 07, 2022, 06:03:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 07, 2022, 05:45:53 PM
    I have no evidence for this ... just an idle thought.  If it wasn't Bishop Williamson, then God certainly set up the whole situation.  Otherwise, SSPX would have been dead and buried over 10 years ago.
    And here I was thinking that he had been set up.
    Ironic! In other words +W saved the SSPX! As the British say "What a hoot!" :smirk:
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #21 on: July 07, 2022, 06:10:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on July 07, 2022, 06:03:02 PM
    And here I was thinking that he had been set up.
    Ironic! In other words +W saved the SSPX! As the British say "What a hoot!" :smirk:

    I don't think the Swedish TV interview was "a deliberate and calculated move on +Williamson's part."  I do think he was set up on that one.  But it was when he got +Tissier & +deG to jointly sign that letter to the General Council that finally put the kibosh on the "deal" in 2012.  And we can also thank the priest who leaked that letter & the reply. 

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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #22 on: July 08, 2022, 12:23:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on July 05, 2022, 02:34:54 PM
    trento:

    I am honestly surprised, at this point in time, that anyone would still come to the defense of a Superior General, who obviously used +Williamson's open discussion of 911, the h0Ɩ0cαųst and other world events to justify HE's dismissal.  Fellay and his collaborators never questioned HE's facts. They simply stated ad nauseum that he had spoken imprudently.  They did so, I firmly believe, because they are beholden to Jєωιѕн influence, and are awash in Jєωιѕн money.
    Archbishop Vigano speaks and writes often and strongly about a host of issues on "world politics."  Are trento, and others who agree with him, equally critical of this cleric who does not hesitate for a moment to comment on world affairs?

    If I'm not mistaken, +Williamson also penned an open letter asking for the resignation of his SG. The task to elect and remove a SG rightly belongs to the General Chapter. Both +Tissier and +deG were also critical of any purely practical agreement. +Williamson's fascination with political matters did incur an order to cease the KE series, which +Williamson considers as his ministry, which another poster has shown is false as a ministry can only be given by a superior.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #23 on: July 08, 2022, 12:44:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: trento on July 08, 2022, 12:23:10 AM
    If I'm not mistaken, +Williamson also penned an open letter asking for the resignation of his SG. The task to elect and remove a SG rightly belongs to the General Chapter. Both +Tissier and +deG were also critical of any purely practical agreement. +Williamson's fascination with political matters did incur an order to cease the KE series, which +Williamson considers as his ministry, which another poster has shown is false as a ministry can only be given by a superior.

    Please see #40-42 here:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/catalog-of-compromise-change-and-contradiction-in-the-sspx/30/

     And #54 here:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/catalog-of-compromise-change-and-contradiction-in-the-sspx/45/
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #24 on: July 08, 2022, 04:24:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 08, 2022, 12:44:56 AM
    Please see #40-42 here:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/catalog-of-compromise-change-and-contradiction-in-the-sspx/30/

     And #54 here:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/catalog-of-compromise-change-and-contradiction-in-the-sspx/45/

    So Dom Thomas Aquinas openly criticized the SSPX SG and expects continued help from the SSPX? It wouldn't come as a surprise then for Dom Thomas Aquinas to have recourse to +Williamson who was already openly defying his SG.
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