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Offline TruthUnchained

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Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
« on: July 04, 2022, 06:02:12 AM »
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    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #1 on: July 04, 2022, 08:52:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: TruthUnchained on July 04, 2022, 06:02:12 AM

    Just skimming through bits and pieces, this is excellent indeed.  I am downloading it onto my computer for later viewing.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #2 on: July 04, 2022, 09:31:53 AM »
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    • It was good, thank you for sharing
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #3 on: July 04, 2022, 10:16:42 AM »
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    • Yes, it is an excellent  sermon by +Williamson. He tells the truth about Ukraine/Russia  and the corruption of the U.S., the U.K.
    Europe, and the lying media.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #4 on: July 04, 2022, 11:43:18 AM »
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    • We came into the traditional movement through the SSPX.  A decade later we left the apostolate, mainly because of the treatment the good bishop received at the hands of Bp. Fellay, Fr. Phluger and other priests of the Society.  In spite of our departure from ++Lefebvre's apostolate, we could be persuaded to return to it. Despite the unjust and reprehensible manner in which +Williamson was ejected, and despite the revelation of grave sɛҳuąƖ scandals later, we would consider a return.
    But the SSPX hierarchy would, first, have to crawl back to +Williamson and beg him to return.  They would have to acknowledge that he was always the chief bishop in the movement, that he was always the primary voice of truth among them, that he reflected the archbishop's vision and goals better than any of the others.  They would also have to cleanse the apostolate of embedded pedophile and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests, and they would have to sever from all Jєωιѕн influences, including a certain lawyer who, it appears, helps to govern their business and real estate decisions.  What is more, they would have to abandon their whole "rebranding program, and consistently from the pulpit call out the fallen Roman church for what it really is.
    Short of all these corrections, we would never for a moment consider coming back.  None of these things will probably ever happen.  So we are left stumble forward as best we can.







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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #5 on: July 04, 2022, 06:11:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on July 04, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
    We came into the traditional movement through the SSPX.  A decade later we left the apostolate, mainly because of the treatment the good bishop received at the hands of Bp. Fellay, Fr. Phluger and other priests of the Society.  In spite of our departure from ++Lefebvre's apostolate, we could be persuaded to return to it. Despite the unjust and reprehensible manner in which +Williamson was ejected, and despite the revelation of grave sɛҳuąƖ scandals later, we would consider a return.
    But the SSPX hierarchy would, first, have to crawl back to +Williamson and beg him to return.  They would have to acknowledge that he was always the chief bishop in the movement, that he was always the primary voice of truth among them, that he reflected the archbishop's vision and goals better than any of the others.  They would also have to cleanse the apostolate of embedded pedophile and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests, and they would have to sever from all Jєωιѕн influences, including a certain lawyer who, it appears, helps to govern their business and real estate decisions.  What is more, they would have to abandon their whole "rebranding program, and consistently from the pulpit call out the fallen Roman church for what it really is.
    Short of all these corrections, we would never for a moment consider coming back.  None of these things will probably ever happen.  So we are left stumble forward as best we can.







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    I don't see that happening either, especially the "crawling back" part.  For one thing, such crawling back would almost certainly result in the re-imposition of the excommunication of Fellay, Tissier de Mallerais, and de Galarreta.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #6 on: July 04, 2022, 10:13:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on July 04, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
    We came into the traditional movement through the SSPX.  A decade later we left the apostolate, mainly because of the treatment the good bishop received at the hands of Bp. Fellay, Fr. Pfluger and other priests of the Society.  In spite of our departure from ++Lefebvre's apostolate, we could be persuaded to return to it. Despite the unjust and reprehensible manner in which +Williamson was ejected
    Question: What obligation has a member of a priestly society to obey the instructions of the superior of the society?

    To be honest, I am not fully briefed on the circuмstances under which Bishop Williamson was ejected, but I believe he was instructed to stop publicly airing his views on the historicity of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. Bishop Williamson has a right to his opinion on the matter, but whether or not millions of Jєωs were murdered by the nαzι government of Germany is not a matter of Faith, and seems to me to be the sort of thing about which the superior could bind the members to limit their public speech.

    Quote from: hollingsworth on July 04, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
    But the SSPX hierarchy would, first, have to crawl back to +Williamson and beg him to return.
    That's not going to happen.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2022, 01:46:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: WantToBeBetter on July 04, 2022, 10:13:43 PM
    Question: What obligation has a member of a priestly society to obey the instructions of the superior of the society?

    To be honest, I am not fully briefed on the circuмstances under which Bishop Williamson was ejected, but I believe he was instructed to stop publicly airing his views on the historicity of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. Bishop Williamson has a right to his opinion on the matter, but whether or not millions of Jєωs were murdered by the nαzι government of Germany is not a matter of Faith, and seems to me to be the sort of thing about which the superior could bind the members to limit their public speech.
    That's not going to happen.
    Someone wrote this about Bishop Williamson's expulsion.

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/williamson.htm

    A bishop's role is to teach, govern, and sanctify. Granted that Archbishop Lefebvre refused and cannot give any of the 4 bishops jurisdiction to govern, thus the role to govern the SSPX remains with the Superior General and his General Council for general day-to-day running of the Society and the General Chapter for the overall policy of the Society. Most likely Bishop Williamson's fascination with 9-11, the h0Ɩ0cαųst, and world politics in general led to his downfall.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2022, 06:09:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: WantToBeBetter on July 04, 2022, 10:13:43 PM
    Question: What obligation has a member of a priestly society to obey the instructions of the superior of the society?

    To be honest, I am not fully briefed on the circuмstances under which Bishop Williamson was Ejected but I believe he was instructed to stop publicly airing his views on the historicity of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. Bishop Williamson has a right to his opinion on the matter, but whether or not millions of Jєωs were murdered by the nαzι government of Germany is not a matter of Faith, and seems to me to be the sort of thing about which the superior could bind the members to limit their public speech.

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    whether or not millions of Jєωs were murdered by the nαzι government of Germany
    is indeed a matter of Faith, in the sense that to allow lies to be perpetrated to the ruin of human society is a dereliction of duty on the part of the hierarchy. It is their role to teach and correct error.

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    I am not fully briefed on the circuмstances under which Bishop Williamson was Ejected
    it is easy enough to find out the details right here on CathInfo, and it is important that you should find out.

    By the way, welcome, want to be better!
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #9 on: July 05, 2022, 07:13:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: trento on July 05, 2022, 01:46:13 AM
    Someone wrote this about Bishop Williamson's expulsion.

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/williamson.htm

    A bishop's role is to teach, govern, and sanctify. Granted that Archbishop Lefebvre refused and cannot give any of the 4 bishops jurisdiction to govern, thus the role to govern the SSPX remains with the Superior General and his General Council for general day-to-day running of the Society and the General Chapter for the overall policy of the Society. Most likely Bishop Williamson's fascination with 9-11, the h0Ɩ0cαųst, and world politics in general led to his downfall.
    Downfall?  +Bp. Williamson hasn’t fallen.  Getting kicked out isn’t necessarily falling!  I got fired and evicted for refusing the Covid vaccine.  I consider it an honor, not a fall.  
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #10 on: July 05, 2022, 07:19:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: WantToBeBetter on July 04, 2022, 10:13:43 PM

    To be honest, I am not fully briefed on the circuмstances under which Bishop Williamson was ejected, but I believe he was instructed to stop publicly airing his views on the historicity of the h0Ɩ0cαųst. Bishop Williamson has a right to his opinion on the matter, but whether or not millions of Jєωs were murdered by the nαzι government of Germany is not a matter of Faith, and seems to me to be the sort of thing about which the superior could bind the members to limit their public speech.

    As Nadir said, you can & should search the details, because the impression you cite here is incorrect.  He was not ejected for this.  If someone has led you to believe this, they misled you.  
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #11 on: July 05, 2022, 02:34:54 PM »
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    • trento: 
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    thus the role to govern the SSPX remains with the Superior General and his General Council for general day-to-day running of the Society and the General Chapter for the overall policy of the Society. Most likely Bishop Williamson's fascination with 9-11, the h0Ɩ0cαųst, and world politics in general led to his downfall.


    I am honestly surprised, at this point in time, that anyone would still come to the defense of a Superior General, who obviously used +Williamson's open discussion of 911, the h0Ɩ0cαųst and other world events to justify HE's dismissal.  Fellay and his collaborators never questioned HE's facts. They simply stated ad nauseum that he had spoken imprudently.   They did so, I firmly believe, because they are beholden to Jєωιѕн influence, and are awash in Jєωιѕн money.
    Archbishop Vigano speaks and writes often and strongly about a host of issues on "world politics."  Are trento, and others who agree with him, equally critical of this cleric who does not hesitate for a moment to comment on world affairs? 
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #12 on: July 06, 2022, 11:57:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on July 05, 2022, 06:09:33 AM
    is indeed a matter of Faith, in the sense that to allow lies to be perpetrated to the ruin of human society is a dereliction of duty on the part of the hierarchy. It is their role to teach and correct error.

    A bishop's teaching office concerns the teaching of the Truth of the Catholic faith, which by its nature is 100% certain, as it has been revealed by God, who can neither deceive nor be deceived. The historicity of the h0Ɩ0cαųst, or the true nature of the events of 9-11 is not a matter of Truth, but rather a matter of opinion, more or less grounded in evidence. Bishop Williamson may have been, and may be, correct in his opinion on these matters, but he could also be wrong. It is important not to confuse that which we know to be true (because it has been divinely revealed) with that which we believe to be true, on the basis of observed material evidence. On the first, a bishop has an obligation to speak out, and can not legitimately be silenced by any authority. On the second, a bishop is legitimately subject to the authority his superior, if he has one.

    It may be the case that Bishop Williamson's outspokenness on these historical matters was not the only reason he was ejected from the Society, but it was a reason given as justification: "refusing to show due respect and obedience to his lawful superiors." At the time, the SSPX was in real danger of being banned in Germany due to Bishop Williamson's continuing public statements on the matter. While no Catholic bishop or priest should fear sanction for standing up for revealed truth, I fail to see how the refusal to stay silent on a historical matter, which is not an article of faith, is justifiable when failure to do so could result in the destruction of all of the Society's works in Germany, to the real detriment of the souls there who depend upon them.

    In any case, I thank you for your welcome. I have lurked for a long time and, despite the conversation I have gotten myself into here, I am not "anti" Bishop Williamson, and would prefer he had not been excluded. However I think that his imprudence provided sufficient grounds for exclusion.
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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2022, 03:11:55 AM »
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    + Williamson was ejected because he was the cause of impediments to a deal with Rome.
    The so-called excommunications had been lifted and things were going as smooth as possible. Then +Williamson came out and put a spanner in the works by revealing a Truth that has been a grave inconvenience to the modernists.

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    Re: Excellent sermon by Bishop Williamson
    « Reply #14 on: July 07, 2022, 07:26:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on July 07, 2022, 03:11:55 AM
    For the record
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    + Williamson was ejected because he was the cause of impediments to a deal with Rome.
    The so-called excommunications had been lifted and things were going as smooth as possible. Then +Williamson came out and put a spanner in the works by revealing a Truth that has been a grave inconvenience to the modernists.

    Yes, he single-handedly derailed the SSPX-Vatican talks.  I'm convinced that the SSPX would long ago have been absorbed had it not been for Bishop Williamson.  And that has caused me to wonder whether this was a deliberate and calculated move on +Williamson's part.  Since the entire purpose / point behind installing Ratzinger as pope was to re-absorb the bulk of Traditional Catholicism, when that failed, thanks to Bishop Williamson, he was told by his handlers to step down.  Thus we found the suit-and-tie-wearing uber-Modernist from Vatican II speaking Latin to the Cardinals, issuing the Motu, and playing the part of "God's Rotweiller" (while still being best buds with various arch-heretics).  He played his part well, and it duped many Traditional Catholics.  In fact, many Catholics remain duped ... in promoting their Bennyvacantism.
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