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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2017, 07:21:35 PM »
Quote from: Nooseph Polten on November 17, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
No he didn't. I have personally heard him say that he thought Pablo's actions regarding this issue and many others were inappropriate and wrong. Be careful when judging others' intentions.
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So if Fr. Pfeiffer is aware of Pablo's inappropriate and wrong actions, then why is Pablo still in charge of the seminary?
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What does this say of Fr. Pfeiffer's "intentions" when he leaves a QUESTIONABLE man in charge when he's out of town?
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Offline JPaul

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2017, 08:04:45 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on November 17, 2017, 07:21:35 PM
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So if Fr. Pfeiffer is aware of Pablo's inappropriate and wrong actions, then why is Pablo still in charge of the seminary?
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What does this say of Fr. Pfeiffer's "intentions" when he leaves a QUESTIONABLE man in charge when he's out of town?
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Father keeps making that same mistake over and over, but then their relationship is both complex and odd at the same time.  If the Bishop had acted differently in 2012-13 toward him, things might well have turned out very differently, but then again, their relationship has always be complex and odd as well.  So much drama in the world of SSPXism......................quirky personalities, visions, agendas, and doctrine all mixed up in a eternally simmering soup.  Perhaps the vapors have affected us all by now.    :o  
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2017, 08:27:45 PM »
Quote from: Fanny on November 17, 2017, 02:06:49 PM
Perhaps the ordaining bishop has shown his docuмentation to the priest Fr. Mbadugha was studying under.  
Perhaps the priest Fr. Mbadugha was studying under was at the consecration of the ordaining bishop.
Perhaps fr. Mbadugha has seen the ordaining bishop's docuмentation.
Perhaps b. Adamson chooses not to associate with traditionalists much due to the strife within camps.  (I can't say that I blame him if this were the case.)
Anyone who knows Fr. Mbadugha knows that he is one to do his due diligence.
Also, it seems to me that the lineage is docuмented very detailed on the website posted earlier and nothing further is needed.  
 Not good enough. 
That doesn't help the laity to have certainty. We all have a right to certainty. Unless Fr. Francis has a celebret from the local Ordinary, and he came from a professional seminary with Roman oversight, etc. we need to do our own due diligence ourselves.

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Offline Matthew

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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2017, 08:34:09 PM »
JPaul,

I'm just very leery and suspicious of anyone who thinks he's wiser, smarter and "above it all" when the thing being exceeded is....wait for it... the entire Traditional Movement!

People like that are basically saying to themselves:

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Archbishop Lefebvre, all the SSPX bishops, the Resistance bishops, all the sedevacantist prelates and clergy, tens of thousands of Faithful over the past 50 years -- they all just "don't get it". I know exactly what we need to do, and no one's doing it...

Yeah, whatever. Vainglory much?

I say do your best in your station of life, and leave the glorious deeds to God. He'll call you if He wants you. You're not going to thwart God.


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I would like to add that it's bad enough we're objectively above so much of the world's population (having the Faith), and even the vast majority of Catholics, just by virtue of the fact that we know what it means to be Catholic. We know our Faith; we have the truth. This already makes us an elite.

But I refuse to go a step further and say that I am personally above everyone else in the Trad movement. My pride detector (kind of like a smoke alarm, or a carbon monoxide detector) goes off every time I might be tempted to this kind of thinking.
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Offline TKGS

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2017, 08:52:56 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on November 17, 2017, 08:27:45 PM
Not good enough.
That doesn't help the laity to have certainty. We all have a right to certainty. Unless Fr. Francis has a celebret from the local Ordinary, and he came from a professional seminary with Roman oversight, etc. we need to do our own due diligence ourselves.
A celebret from the local Ordinary (of the Conciliar sect) would make his ordination even more doubtful!!
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