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Offline Matthew

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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #95 on: November 18, 2017, 09:14:28 AM »
The SSPX has done much that is good and it been of great benefit to myself and my family, but that does not mean it is a light in the heavens. I once thought it was, but the last few years have been a rude awakening and a crash course in reality.  

I could have written that myself.

However, some people go too far in their "wake up call" and find the need to find something *fundamentally wrong* with +ABL's work, as if he made a major mistake, or his whole strategy was fundamentally flawed.

No, he just had the one weakness that even God can relate to (to a certain degree): he depends on, and works with, flawed and frail human beings. Human beings who lose heart, betray, get deceived, go astray, etc. (Obviously it's hard to directly compare God with any human being. In the case of God, He *chose* to work with flawed human instruments -- but being God, He can still arrange things so that His will is done.)

God and +ABL could talk about how their respective organizations had serious "personnel" problems -- with God, it's His Church and the recent Modernists/popes. With +ABL, it's the SSPX and +Fellay and cabal.

For that matter, many parents could talk about how they did everything right, and this or that child still went astray. It's called FREE WILL and FALLEN HUMAN NATURE.

Let's put it this way -- right now, the Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ has fallen MUCH harder, and much lower, than the SSPX has. Is there anyone on the entire Forum-sphere going to deny that?  So can we therefore conclude that the Church was more fundamentally flawed than the SSPX was? Obviously we can't do that. We'd be getting into blasphemy territory.

Just because a child turns out awful doesn't always mean it's the parents fault. Sometimes you can indeed trace the cause to bad example of the parents, lack of discipline, sending them to public school to get corrupted, etc. -- but not always! There is such a thing as a "black sheep" who came from the same family, but rejects what the family taught by word and example, and held most dear (Catholic Faith, Catholic morality, etc.) It happens all the time. We can't deny the role of Free Will in the world's problems -- or the Church's problems.

I say: there was nothing wrong with the SSPX or its position. Let's keep up the good work. Keep on doing what we were doing. We were doing fine (at least as fine as a small, microscopic group can). That's all God expects of us -- to try. He will turn things around when *He* is good and ready.

As for why the Crisis isn't over, and why the world is still going to hell in a handbasket -- well, Russia hasn't been consecrated to the I.H.M. yet, and the Chastisement hasn't happened yet. I'm with Bishop Williamson on this one. Political activism, grassroots campaigns, and individual heroism didn't turn things around before the Great Flood, and it's not going to work now. God knows this.

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #96 on: November 18, 2017, 09:20:26 AM »

Quote from: ImmaculateHeart on Yesterday at 08:10:10 PM
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If Fr. Malachi Martin recognized and worked with Bp. José Ramon Lopez Gaston, through who the picture, through whose line Bp. Adamson was consecrated by Bp. José Urbina then I don't worry. The Priest who guided Fr. M didn't go researching and looking for a Bishop, as he has known Bp. Adamson for long.

Thanks for the information.  If Malachi Martin recognized him and worked with him, than he's definitely suspect!
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Where is the "picture" mentioned? I think I saw it somewhere but now I can't find it.
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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #97 on: November 18, 2017, 09:32:18 AM »
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Never mind. I found it:
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Natural de Cuba. Consagrado obispo el 29 de junio de 1992 en Miami, Florida, por Mons. Mamistra Olivares. Luego fue consagrado obispo sub conditione el 20 de noviembre de 1993 en Miami, Florida, por Mons. Jean Charles Roux. Residía en Rockford, Illinois. En la foto, están de izquierda a derecha: Mons. Urbina Aznar, Mons. Malachi Martin (jesuita), P. Rama Coomaraswamy y Mons. Lopez – Gastón.
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From the website
https://cubacatolica.wordpress.com/linajes-episcopales/linaje-de-mons-dinhthuc-1897-1984/mons-datessen-1934/
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Which was provided on an earlier post
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/ex-olmc-seminarian-ordained/msg579204/#msg579204
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I recall thinking "that guy in the back row sure looks like Malachi Martin" but I didn't notice his name in the text below.
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I spoke to Martin on the phone in 1995 when in the course of our conversation he mentioned "bishop in pectore." I didn't know what that meant, so I asked him about it and he explained it to me, very patiently, with a lovely Irish brogue.
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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #98 on: November 18, 2017, 09:35:43 AM »
If Fr. Malachi Martin recognized and worked with Bp. José Ramon Lopez Gaston, through who the picture, through whose line Bp. Adamson was consecrated by Bp. José Urbina then I don't worry. The Priest who guided Fr. M didn't go researching and looking for a Bishop, as he has known Bp. Adamson for long.
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Coomaraswamy also thought Martin was a bishop. Despite having published some great stuff, Dr. C kind of lost it toward the end (not his faith or sanity-- but good and trustworthy judgment. )
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There's some room in these discussions for trusting the judgment of men whom we esteem, believing they wouldn't lead us wrong. Imo, anyways. But that's very subjective and not sufficient for a public proof.
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Who is the priest who recommended Adamson to Francis?  What can you tell us about him?

Offline Matthew

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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2017, 10:18:44 AM »
Wasn't Dr. Coomaraswamy a married man who was also a priest?

Bp. Slupski cited Dr. C as an example or precedent for what he wanted to do with me -- namely, ordain me even though I was already married with 2 children at the time.

Fortunately, I was sane enough to decline his offer!

Speaking of otherwise good priests who lose their good judgment and common sense utterly and completely...