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Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #100 on: November 18, 2017, 10:25:48 AM »
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Coomaraswamy also thought Martin was a bishop. Despite having published some great stuff, Dr. C kind of lost it toward the end (not his faith or sanity-- but good and trustworthy judgment. )
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There's some room in these discussions for trusting the judgment of men whom we esteem, believing they wouldn't lead us wrong. Imo, anyways. But that's very subjective and not sufficient for a public proof.
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Who is the priest who recommended Adamson to Francis?  What can you tell us about him?
Yes, you are right about Dr.C. We used to exchange letters and he wrote me that Malachy Martin was secretly consecrated bishop by Pius XII.  I was amazed that he could believe such crap.

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #101 on: November 18, 2017, 11:38:58 AM »
The photos of Rama Coomaraswamy's ordination are worrisome, to say the least! See: http://www.the-pope.com/RC1b.jpg and http://www.the-pope.com/RC2b.jpg

Regarding the Imposition of Hands photo:

The only time when one hand is imposed is at the diaconal ordination (and the crosier isn't held for that either), never the priestly ordination or episcopal consecration.

I am not sure if the photo is supposed to be of the first imposition of hands, the essential natter of the Sacrament, done before the essential form is recited (during the Consecratory Preface) or of the imposition of hands during the bestowal of the power to forgive sins, "Accipe Spiritum Sanctum..." 

In any case, it is obvious that even the one hand isn't fully touching the head, just a few fingers! If this was the first imposition, as the essential matter for the Sacrament, that totally calls into question the very validity of the ordination.

If it was during the "Accipe," that comes before the unfolding of the chasuble, not after, and you can see the chasuble was already unfolded. 

Regarding the vesting photo:

There is no ceremony at any level of Holy Orders when the ordaining prelate vests a surplice-wearing ordinand with what appears to be the alb. Never. And, incidentally, where's the amice? 

This line is supposed to be trustworthy?! In these two photos alone, there are multiple indications of a lack of formation/rubrical knowledge/good sense on the part of the "ordaining prelate" and the assisting clerics on several levels! Malachi Martin was supposedly a great scholar and a secret bishop, why did he go along with this? Only to re-ordain Coomaraswamy. Strange indeed.


Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2017, 11:39:08 AM »
Wasn't Dr. Coomaraswamy a married man who was also a priest?
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Yes, the picture from earlier was after his ordination.  He did (to his credit, I suppose, things being as they are) take a vow of celibacy.
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Incidentally, Adamson refers to him as Father Coomarswamy in a review he (Adamson) wrote of his (Coomarswamy's) book: http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/products/0-941532-98-4_Destruction_of_the_Christian_Tradition.aspx?ID=148
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Bp. Slupski cited Dr. C as an example or precedent for what he wanted to do with me -- namely, ordain me even though I was already married with 2 children at the time.

Fortunately, I was sane enough to decline his offer!

Speaking of otherwise good priests who lose their good judgment and common sense utterly and completely...

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As I understand, Bp. Slupski's experiences under literal communist persecution led him to be... paranoid.  Ergo, the secret consecrations, married men, and the rest.  I've not met him, but have a friend who grew up around him and it's an unfortunate situation.  Over time, things just got worse and worse.
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As I understand, Slupski's "cavalier" approach caused incalculable dismay for Bishop McKenna (RIP) and was a significant factor in McKenna's recusance.

ETA:

Here is the review Adamson wrote of Coomarswamy's book:


 
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"On a warm spring Sunday in 1966, at the ripe old age of sixteen, I suddenly surprised myself by standing up and walking out of the church in which I had been baptized, made my First Communion and had been Confirmed. This was the church in which my parents were married. It was a church built in large part by the efforts of my Scottish grandfather, a convert. It was the same church from which many members of my family, including my mother, when I was five, had been buried.
 
 From the spiritual side, this was the church for which my Irish and German ancestors had suffered persecution and perhaps even death in order to remain faithful to the One True Church established by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, upon the rock of Peter. Yet, in spite of all this, something inside me was protesting, telling me something was wrong. I did not know what, but I did know that something was not right. I did know that this was no longer the church of my childhood, nor of my parents, nor my ancestors. Something was gnawing at my soul and telling me that this was not “the Church.”
 
 Now, nearly forty years later to the day, someone has confirmed my feelings by answering my questions and self-doubts with facts and data. Father Rama Coomaraswamy’s latest book, The Destruction of the Christian Tradition, published by World Wisdom, shows unequivocally and precisely how the centuries-old enemies of the Church – the Freemasons, Communists and Modernists – have managed to infiltrate the hierarchy, even to the papacy, destroying the Sacraments, especially the Priesthood and the Mass, as well as the doctrines and teachings of Christ’s Mystical Body, and ultimately wreaking havoc upon the faith of millions of Catholics worldwide, both before and after the infamous council of Vatican II.
 
 This book does not, as one frequently finds in Traditional Catholic Apologetics, represent the ranting and raving of a madman kicking against the goad. This is not a book of opinions, either personal or perceived. On the contrary, Fr. Coomaraswamy uses the actual letters, speeches, encyclicals and the very docuмents of the post-Vatican II church, in comparison to the teachings of the True Church. The Destruction of the Christian Tradition is like a mammoth, methodical machine moving meticulously forward, crushing the lies, deceits and false teachings of the heretics and schismatics of this Anti-Catholic Church. This book makes the reader pound his fist upon the table, or shake his head in sad and utter dismay, at the malign and malignant plots and ploys of the evil men and women occupying positions of power within the pseudo-Catholic Church of today.
 
 Everyone who dares call himself Catholic in these present times needs to read this book – especially those contemplating the pretended priesthood or religious life within the Novus Ordo church. Fortunately, one need not possess a degree in theology to understand the issues raised in this book. Fr. Coomaraswamy’s style is clear, concise and to the point. As Bishop T. C. Fouhy states in his introduction, this book is “most readable.” It challenges and provokes, making the reader ask: “Can a church which denies itself be the true Catholic Church?”
 
 My generation, from the late 1940s and 1950s, represents for the most part the putrid, rotten fruits of Vatican II. We had our faith snatched out from under our feet and our spiritual lives snuffed out. The Destruction of the Christian Tradition explains in no uncertain terms how and why this happened. It answers the questions raised within my soul on that Sunday, so long ago in 1966.
 
 But in the final analysis The Destruction of the Christian Tradition becomes a call back to the True Church. To paraphrase Fr. Coomaraswamy, it makes us ask ourselves where we stand, by Caesar or by God? For whom do we cry out, for Barabbas or for Christ?"
 —Bishop Merrill W. B. Adamson


Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #103 on: November 18, 2017, 11:49:11 AM »
As far as the November 1993 consecration by Roux goes, these should suffice: http://www.tboyle.net/Catholicism/Msgr_Chadwick_on_Bp_Roux.html and https://sarumuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/vagante-bishop-aping-rome.

Re: Ex-OLMC seminarian ordained
« Reply #104 on: November 18, 2017, 05:10:15 PM »
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Yes, the picture from earlier was after his ordination.  He did (to his credit, I suppose, things being as they are) take a vow of celibacy.
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Incidentally, Adamson refers to him as Father Coomarswamy in a review he (Adamson) wrote of his (Coomarswamy's) book: http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/products/0-941532-98-4_Destruction_of_the_Christian_Tradition.aspx?ID=148
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As I understand, Bp. Slupski's experiences under literal communist persecution led him to be... paranoid.  Ergo, the secret consecrations, married men, and the rest.  I've not met him, but have a friend who grew up around him and it's an unfortunate situation.  Over time, things just got worse and worse.
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As I understand, Slupski's "cavalier" approach caused incalculable dismay for Bishop McKenna (RIP) and was a significant factor in McKenna's recusance.

ETA:

Here is the review Adamson wrote of Coomarswamy's book:

"On a warm spring Sunday in 1966, at the ripe old age of sixteen, I suddenly surprised myself by standing up and walking out of the church in which I had been baptized, made my First Communion and had been Confirmed. This was the church in which my parents were married. It was a church built in large part by the efforts of my Scottish grandfather, a convert. It was the same church from which many members of my family, including my mother, when I was five, had been buried.
 
 From the spiritual side, this was the church for which my Irish and German ancestors had suffered persecution and perhaps even death in order to remain faithful to the One True Church established by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, upon the rock of Peter. Yet, in spite of all this, something inside me was protesting, telling me something was wrong. I did not know what, but I did know that something was not right. I did know that this was no longer the church of my childhood, nor of my parents, nor my ancestors. Something was gnawing at my soul and telling me that this was not “the Church.”
 
 Now, nearly forty years later to the day, someone has confirmed my feelings by answering my questions and self-doubts with facts and data. Father Rama Coomaraswamy’s latest book, The Destruction of the Christian Tradition, published by World Wisdom, shows unequivocally and precisely how the centuries-old enemies of the Church – the Freemasons, Communists and Modernists – have managed to infiltrate the hierarchy, even to the papacy, destroying the Sacraments, especially the Priesthood and the Mass, as well as the doctrines and teachings of Christ’s Mystical Body, and ultimately wreaking havoc upon the faith of millions of Catholics worldwide, both before and after the infamous council of Vatican II.
 
 This book does not, as one frequently finds in Traditional Catholic Apologetics, represent the ranting and raving of a madman kicking against the goad. This is not a book of opinions, either personal or perceived. On the contrary, Fr. Coomaraswamy uses the actual letters, speeches, encyclicals and the very docuмents of the post-Vatican II church, in comparison to the teachings of the True Church. The Destruction of the Christian Tradition is like a mammoth, methodical machine moving meticulously forward, crushing the lies, deceits and false teachings of the heretics and schismatics of this Anti-Catholic Church. This book makes the reader pound his fist upon the table, or shake his head in sad and utter dismay, at the malign and malignant plots and ploys of the evil men and women occupying positions of power within the pseudo-Catholic Church of today.
 
 Everyone who dares call himself Catholic in these present times needs to read this book – especially those contemplating the pretended priesthood or religious life within the Novus Ordo church. Fortunately, one need not possess a degree in theology to understand the issues raised in this book. Fr. Coomaraswamy’s style is clear, concise and to the point. As Bishop T. C. Fouhy states in his introduction, this book is “most readable.” It challenges and provokes, making the reader ask: “Can a church which denies itself be the true Catholic Church?”
 
 My generation, from the late 1940s and 1950s, represents for the most part the putrid, rotten fruits of Vatican II. We had our faith snatched out from under our feet and our spiritual lives snuffed out. The Destruction of the Christian Tradition explains in no uncertain terms how and why this happened. It answers the questions raised within my soul on that Sunday, so long ago in 1966.
 
 But in the final analysis The Destruction of the Christian Tradition becomes a call back to the True Church. To paraphrase Fr. Coomaraswamy, it makes us ask ourselves where we stand, by Caesar or by God? For whom do we cry out, for Barabbas or for Christ?"

 —Bishop Merrill W. B. Adamson

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That's a pretty good read. 
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