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John Grace · « **Reply #40 on:** October 30, 2013, 04:43:37 PM »

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SeanJohnson,

This is a resistance forum. Bishop Fellay and his crowd can take their 'face-saving' and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.Liberal rats and traitors.Traitors one and all.

What an exemplary Catholic you are!

Laughable. Do you still believe you started the resistance?

John Grace · « **Reply #41 on:** October 30, 2013, 04:53:25 PM »

I have no doubt Bishop Fellay is embarrassed and is trying to save face. Most SSPX priests are. However, an apology from him would not be sincere and far too late.

John Grace · « **Reply #42 on:** October 30, 2013, 05:02:36 PM »

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SeanJohnson,

This is a resistance forum. Bishop Fellay and his crowd can take their 'face-saving' and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.Liberal rats and traitors.Traitors one and all.

What an exemplary Catholic you are!

Perhaps I should of phrased it differently but I shall adhere to the principles my great grandfather adhered to when he quarrelled with a priest many years ago. My great grandfather adhered to his principle.He is dead for many years, the seminary associated with the cleric is long gone but the stone pillars built by my great grandfather about a hundred years ago are still standing.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #43 on:** October 30, 2013, 05:09:18 PM »

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I have no doubt Bishop Fellay is embarrassed and is trying to save face. Most SSPX priests are. However, an apology from him would not be sincere and far too late.

His window for you to forgive him closed, then?

It would be very difficult to trust Fellay without some sign of good will. Not sure what that would include, but certainly rescinding the six conditions. Natually, some apology to the priests and Bishop that were kicked out for doing *apparently* what Fellay is doing now.

But even if he did that, JohnGrace, you would not forgive him? That is what I took from your post. This personal animosity is understandable, though throwing around teenager-like axioms like "it's too late to apologize" is embarrassing to the Resistance.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #44 on:** October 30, 2013, 05:14:51 PM »

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Sean,

1) Are you aware of any actions which lead you to believe that the Society is attempting to rewind?

2) I'm disturbed by Bp Fellay's (your?) attitude toward how much concern should be placed on bringing those scandalized by these "mistakes" back into the care of the SSPX. If you make a mistake which leads someone away from the Sacraments, wouldn't that person be your first concern? I don't see how admitting your mistakes would disturb those who supported you all along.

I know that those who have left the Sacraments haven't left the Faith, but the Shepherd and His lost sheep certainly comes to mind.

Hello Mater:

1) Yes, I am aware of some actions which lead me to believe Menzingen is attempting a face-saving rewind.

2) The actions I have in mind squarely contradict the branding campaign, which was designed to foster a public image more appealing to the modern world (and therefore make Rome less reluctant to offer/accept an accord).

3) One such action would be the willingness to attempt funeral rites for the (unjustly) convicted war criminal, Eric Priebke in Albano, Italy. Such a thing would not have been attempted last year (the unfortunate clarification of the Italian District superior notwithstanding).

4) Yet another would be the recent comments of Bishop Fellay against Pope Francis (i.e., calling him an overt modernist, when the branding campaign was supposed to cease fire on Vatican II).

5) The plain statement of Bishop Fellay that a practical agreement would have been disastrous. Yes, he pushed mightily for it! But it would be most difficult for him to switch course again and chase after one, having just made such a statement. That realization causes me to think this is a humble admission of bad judgment, without actually saying so.

6) WHat do you think the practical consequence of these things in Rome will be? If Francis dies tomorrow, do you think the next Pope will not be a little hamstrung by these things?

These would be just a few of the actions that come to mind off the top of my head.

I do not understand your 2nd question; could you please rephrase?

Sincerely,

Sean Johnson

Thank you, Sean. I can't give much credit to #4 or #5 as those are words and Bp Fellay has lost my trust in what he says. I do, however, hope to see more actions which support your thesis.

My #2 was not a question but rather a comment in which I'd like to hear your thoughts. I will rephrase later when more time permits.