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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2016, 09:24:01 AM »
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  • I have been looking for that book for years, since I met Fr DeLallo- I can only find it occasionally listed for a huge price-- I asked him once where to get a copy, and he told me he didn't know, and added that he didn't know why the SSPX wouldn't reprint it. ( I suspect it's because it didn't fit in with their re-branding effort, but since I haven't been able to read it, I'm not sure.)

    Would it be possible to share a few excerpts that you find important, Holly?

    I do remember Fr DeLallo being an accordista...


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    « Reply #16 on: April 17, 2016, 10:42:46 AM »
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    I have been looking for that book for years, since I met Fr DeLallo- I can only find it occasionally listed for a huge price-- I asked him once where to get a copy, and he told me he didn't know, and added that he didn't know why the SSPX wouldn't reprint it. ( I suspect it's because it didn't fit in with their re-branding effort, but since I haven't been able to read it, I'm not sure.)  


    Yes, I agree.  The book would not, at this point, "fit in with their re-branding effort."  It hasn't been on an SSPX bookstore shelf since early in the 2000s, if I am not mistaken.  The book may still create a problem for deLallo as a priest in good standing with the Society.  I should think that he'd like it to be forgotten in anticipation of an imminent  reuniting with Judaized Rome.

    Since, apparently, most forum members are either not acquainted with the book, or know it only from a distance, and have not read it, I think I'll suspend further discussion about it.  Safe to say that the book leans pretty heavily for sourcing about the Jєωιѕн conspiracy on the writings of folks like Leon De Poncins, Fr. Denis Fahey, Rev. I.  B. Pranaitis, Maurice Pinay, Solange Hertz, and other authors.  It's what you'd call a pretty mainstream expose of the Jєωs, Communism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, etc.

    The point I would like to make and develop, were more people to have read it, is that Fr. deLallo is totally at odds with Bp. Williamson, it seems, about the Jєωιѕн question.  In recent correspondence he has indicated that +Williamson has "disordered thinking about the Jєωιѕн race," and, what is worse, is a "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier."  Just try to wrap your brain around that one!!!  You really can't unless you've read deLallo's book.

    The Sword of Christendom is available at Amazon for around $22 a copy.


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    « Reply #17 on: April 17, 2016, 04:10:40 PM »
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  • The Sword of Christendom by Fr. DeLallo is an extremely good book and I say that without the least bit of exaggeration.  I bought it back in the 90's not too long after it came out in 1994.

    I think it compares very favorably with Fr. Fahey's books.  Fr. DeLallo actually has 3 at least important citations to Fr. Fahey in the book including Fahey's diagram used to illustrate God's plan for human society.

    In the index of the book you will find in this order: Jєωιѕн Communists, Jєωιѕн conspiracy,
    Jєωιѕн Leaders, Jєωιѕн revolutionaries, Jєωs - conversion of.  Entries also include: B'nai B'rith, B'nai Zion, Kabbala, and тαℓмυd.  (Anyone still wondering why you don't find this book in SSPX bookstores?)

    The Forward to the book is written by Fr. Peter Scott who praises it for very good reason.

    The book is dedicated to "my father in the Priesthood, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre."

    Fr. DeLallo wisely sets the stage for the book in the two passages from Sacred Scripture he places separately at the very beginning of the book just before the dedication.  They are Matt. 10:34-39 and Luke 11:23.  

    A particular highlight of the book is a truly superb expose -- over 40 pages in length -- of the John Birch Society, an organization which perhaps even a fair number of well intended TradCats have been sucked into over the years.  (I had pleaded with one for years to get out of the JBS.  When he finally read this book at my urging he got out in a flash!)  

    I cannot recommend this book strongly enough!  I have read it thoroughly and have gone back to it a good number of times.  That said, I am not surprised in the least that the book has not been kept in print by The Angelus Press.  Indeed, my surprise would be if it had been kept in print!    

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    « Reply #18 on: April 17, 2016, 04:24:38 PM »
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    I am not surprised in the least that the book has not been kept in print by The Angelus Press. Indeed, my surprise would be if it had been kept in print!


    True.  We should not be surprised that it was not kept in print.  But I think we have some reason to be surprised about the way the author has expressed himself recently about Bp. Williamson's alleged "disordered thinking" about the Jєωs, and about the bishop's alleged "h0Ɩ0cαųst denial."  If folks aren't surprised about that, then they're not paying attention, IMO>

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    « Reply #19 on: April 19, 2016, 06:47:44 PM »
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  • In case you had trouble with the links here is the complete text of the article which was introduced at the beginning of this thread..
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    LI church used funds to spread anti-Semitic, anti-U.S. message, suit claims
    Updated April 11, 2016 8:31 PM
    By Bart Jones  bart.jones@newsday.com
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    Attorney John Ray, left, and his wife, Madeleine
    Attorney John Ray, left, and his wife, Madeleine Kristoffersson, listen as their daughter, Ruby Ray, describes what she saw and heard at Our Lady of Good Success Academy, a private school operated by St. Michael the Archangel Catholic Church in Farmingville. Photo Credit: Joseph D. Sullivan
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    An ultraconservative Catholic church in Farmingville that still celebrates Mass in Latin has misused donations from parishioners to spread anti-Semitic and anti-U.S. propaganda, a lawsuit filed by a Miller Place attorney alleges.
    St. Michael the Archangel Catholic Church, part of a network of churches founded by excommunicated Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre of France, is promoting “virulent, vicious and anti-Semitic literature and dogma,” attorney John Ray said at a news conference in his office Monday.

    The lawsuit, filed April 6 in State Supreme Court in Riverhead, alleges that the church and its small school used nearly $50,000 in donations earmarked for a new school building for anti-Semitic literature that denies the h0Ɩ0cαųst occurred or that Hitler’s nαzι regime used gas chambers to exterminate Jєωs.
    “It’s more than disturbing that in this day and age [there] can be such poison . . . in a Catholic church and school,” said Madeleine Kristoffersson, Ray’s wife and also a plaintiff in the suit, along with their daughter.
    The Rev. Nicholas Gardner, rector of the church and its Our Lady of Good Success Academy, said Monday he could not comment pending instructions by superiors in the Society of St. Pius X, the group Lefebvre founded before his excommunication in 1988.

     
    The exterior of St. Michael the Archangel Catholic Church and Our Lady of Good Success Academy on Horseblock Road in Farmingville is seen on Monday, April 11, 2016. Photo Credit: Joseph D. Sullivan
    Lefebvre branched off from the Roman Catholic Church in 1968 after disagreeing with changes made by the Vatican II reforms. He died in 1991.
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    Ray and his family said they have been parishioners at the church since 2012, and that Kristoffersson had become the director of its choir. They had hoped to place their daughter in the school full-time.
    After they discovered allegedly anti-Semitic books and materials in the church’s bookstore and complained about them — along with the allegedly misused donations — church leaders verbally attacked them, Ray said.
    Kristoffersson said Gardner publicly scolded and belittled them from the pulpit during three Masses this past Holy Week and asked them to drop out of the church.
    “It was a witch hunt from the pulpit of God,” Kristoffersson said at the news conference.
    Reading materials obtained from the St. Michael Archangel Catholic Church in Farmingville are on display at the office of attorney John Ray in Miller Place on Monday, April 11, 2016. Photo Credit: Joseph D. Sullivan
    The lawsuit, which also names the school’s principal, Thomas B. Gabriele, and other local church workers, also alleges teachers are underqualified and that school funds are being used to send them on a “first-class” art tour of Italy.

    The school teaches students that “the USA is evil, that it has been taken over in a historical conspiracy of Jєωs, who they say caused the cινιℓ ωαr, WWI and WWII, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the war in Iraq and Syria, and the War on Terror, and that the Jєωs were responsible for the 9/11 attack,” the lawsuit states.
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    « Reply #20 on: April 20, 2016, 06:00:06 AM »
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  • What is surprising is that even so-called traditionalists that go out of their way to find suitable parishes for their families away from the horrors of the mainstream suddenly experience bouts of political correctness and try and undermine the very thing that separated them from that which they want now to see imposed. But in the climate of change within the SSPX this may be an attempt to speed up things in parishes that are dragging their feet. There have been many quiet people around just waiting for these places to align with their politics. It seems the future is theirs.

     

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    « Reply #21 on: April 21, 2016, 06:12:15 AM »
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    The point I would like to make and develop, were more people to have read it, is that Fr. deLallo is totally at odds with Bp. Williamson, it seems, about the Jєωιѕн question.  In recent correspondence he has indicated that +Williamson has "disordered thinking about the Jєωιѕн race," and, what is worse, is a "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier."  Just try to wrap your brain around that one!!!  You really can't unless you've read deLallo's book.

    The Sword of Christendom is available at Amazon for around $22 a copy.



    This could only mean Fr. DeLallo was re-programmed.

    No tall gas-evacuation chimneys in the WWII camps means no gas chambers in the camps.

    +W's explanation of the US aerial photo archive findings was the correct conclusion... the Jєωs made-up the gas chambers to maximize the propaganda effect.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #22 on: April 21, 2016, 01:46:58 PM »
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    Ray and his family said they have been parishioners at the church since 2012, and that Kristoffersson had become the director of its choir. They had hoped to place their daughter in the school full-time


    having heard from people i know at
    St Michael's it appears that this lawsuit "appeared" when the parish priest "fired" the choir director, from her paid position.

    plus how do you go to a church for 4 years[/i] and not have any idea that traditional Catholicism and Judaism do not mix?
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    « Reply #23 on: April 21, 2016, 05:56:32 PM »
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  • "Revive her opera career" appears in the linked docuмents demanding more alimony.  Evidently the diva demands not only money, but accolades as well.

    La donna è mobile.

    I know that at least one other person has done the math with the dates provided.

    What constitutes unprofessional conduct and boundary violations according to the New York Bar?

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    « Reply #24 on: April 21, 2016, 06:04:24 PM »
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    "Revive her opera career" appears in the linked docuмents demanding more alimony.  Evidently the diva demands not only money, but accolades as well.

    La donna è mobile


    If Father Rostand and Fr. Veggy would have followed the good Bishop's advise there would be no divas in the choir.




    +W took a lot of heat for the position of "no ladies in the choir", but here's a case example of where he was right on the money.

    The diva syndrome can rip chapels apart, in many different ways.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #25 on: April 24, 2016, 02:04:42 PM »
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  • The following are all the comments posted up to date under the article referred to in the first post in this thread:

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    Johnny Yuma
    So what's new here. The leftist communist Democratic Party constantly disparages this country and has for all intents and purpose bankrupt the middle class with their progressive agenda to retain power. The lbgt and black lives matter fascists movement is running rough shod over this country
    Like · Reply · Apr 11, 2016 6:10pm
    Martha Cole ·
    This about a Catholic Church, not the Democratic Party.
    Like · Reply · 3 · Apr 11, 2016 7:41pm
    Tom Smith · Jamesport, New York
    WOW!!! Are you sure your reading the same news article as everyone else, because if you are there isn't ONE MENTION of anything to do with the 'leftist communist Democratic Party'. NOT ONE MENTION!!

    Or maybe your one of the 'rabid right' who's memory of history only goes back to 2008, and who blames President Obama for everything thats wrong with America, even things that happened prior to him being elected as President such as an invasion of a country at peace with America, 9/11 attack, safe air around the twin towers, 13 u.s. embassys being attacked, worse depression in 70 years, needed the current President to find & kill bin Laden ... need I continue?
    Like · Reply · 1 · Apr 12, 2016 11:10am
    Bill Torio · Works at Retired
    So who's your Daddy is the attorney, and Mommy cakes is the choir master, and little baby cakes sat in class for 4 years and now they all found out that they've been attending a Neo nαzι Church? Holy Hitler Batman!!
    Like · Reply · 3 · Apr 11, 2016 6:34pm
    Linda Moebius-Steffens
    This is probably the group responsible for all the KKK pamphlets being spread around.
    Like · Reply · 1 · Apr 11, 2016 6:39pm
    Don Derham · St. John's University
    If any of this is true, it's quite sad.
    Like · Reply · 2 · Apr 11, 2016 7:23pm
    Keyser Soze · Chief Executive Officer at Self-Employed
    The plaintiff is the lawyer...yeah, I'll take his word for everything.
    Like · Reply · Apr 11, 2016 8:02pm
    Loretta Murphy · RIKERS ISLAND EDUC FACILITY
    It's about time the truth comes out about this UNCATHOLIC church
    Like · Reply · Apr 12, 2016 5:41am
    Tom Smith · Jamesport, New York
    In Germany a person who publicly denies the h0Ɩ0cαųst can end up in jail. Here they get a pat on the back and a AK-47!!
    Like · Reply · Apr 12, 2016 11:03am
    John Cato
    Calling this place a Catholic church is like calling Newsday a serious source of journailism.

    These people broke off from the Catholic Church a long time ago. They continue to consecrate bishops and ordain priests despite the order of multiple popes to stop. Many have been excommunicated.

    They are a breakway church and should be considered Catholic in the same way that Anglicans are - not at all.
    Like · Reply · 1 · Apr 12, 2016 11:30am · Edited
    Kathleen Donlon · New York Institute of Technology (NYIT)
    This is not a Roman Catholic Church ! This is an apparently cult like "church" misleading people by using the word Catholic in its name. I wish Newsday and other media outlets would make that clear in their coverage of this disturbing story.
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    Joseph D. Chabot · Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
    According to both Pope Francis, and Brnedict XVI, the members of the SSPX are not excommunicated. Furthermore, the sole source of this story is the aggrieved party, and none of the accusations have been substantiated. If I were this church, I would sue both the ex-parishioner and the "newspaper" for libel.


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    « Reply #26 on: April 26, 2016, 11:16:29 AM »
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    This could only mean Fr. DeLallo was re-programmed.


    Fr. DeLallo writes a book of some 300 pages in length.  It is a unique work, authored by one lone priest in the Society. expressing this priest's firm believe that those "Jєωιѕн leaders" responsible for our Lord's Crucifxion, are the same "demonic force" behind Communism.  They wage "a relentless war against the Catholic Church."  DeLallo writes that they "denied their Messiah."  Now it has become "a mad obsession" with them to deny and destroy all things Christian.

    But now, years later, DeLallo expresses a caveat, which, he contends, puts great distance between his views about the Jєωs and Bp. Williamson's. Whereas the former writes only about a guilt born by "Jєωιѕн leaders,"  the latter, DeLallo contends, paints all Jєωs with the same brush.  He willy nilly condemns the entire race.  Ergo, Bp. W's thinking is "disordered."  Furthermore, on top of it all, (gasp!) the good bishop has now become a "h0Ɩ0cαųst denier."

    Incred, do you really think that Father was "re-programmed?"  I don't.  Do you really think that The Sword of Christendom   was totally suppressed and removed from circulation at DeLallo's behest, because he experienced a re-conversion?  I don't.

    I think what may well have happened is this.  Fellay & Co. approached Father, and very kindly and sweetly informed him: "Sir, unless you recant and change your thinking about the Jєωs, and keep your mouth shut, your ass will be on the street by sundown."  

    This is what I think.

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    « Reply #27 on: April 26, 2016, 11:34:22 AM »
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    What is surprising is that even so-called traditionalists that go out of their way to find suitable parishes for their families away from the horrors of the mainstream suddenly experience bouts of political correctness and try and undermine the very thing that separated them from that which they want now to see imposed. But in the climate of change within the SSPX this may be an attempt to speed up things in parishes that are dragging their feet. There have been many quiet people around just waiting for these places to align with their politics. It seems the future is theirs.

     

    Thirty years ago, when I first discovered that there actually existed chapels that maintained the old Mass and faith, my greatest disappointment, when I first went, was the people.  Even back then, many of them were compromisers.  I had it in my mind that being "traditional" meant being so in every aspect of my life, not just a Mass preference.

    It is now much worse,  a lot worse, as the old timers have died out and the younger generations, who never knew either a saner county or Church, make up the majority.   Modern attitudes somehow make a mockery out of the rest.

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    « Reply #28 on: April 27, 2016, 04:49:18 PM »
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    What is surprising is that even so-called traditionalists that go out of their way to find suitable parishes for their families away from the horrors of the mainstream suddenly experience bouts of political correctness and try and undermine the very thing that separated them from that which they want now to see imposed. But in the climate of change within the SSPX this may be an attempt to speed up things in parishes that are dragging their feet. There have been many quiet people around just waiting for these places to align with their politics. It seems the future is theirs.

     

    Thirty years ago, when I first discovered that there actually existed chapels that maintained the old Mass and faith, my greatest disappointment, when I first went, was the people.  Even back then, many of them were compromisers.  I had it in my mind that being "traditional" meant being so in every aspect of my life, not just a Mass preference.

    It is now much worse,  a lot worse, as the old timers have died out and the younger generations, who never knew either a saner county or Church, make up the majority.   Modern attitudes somehow make a mockery out of the rest.


    The replicated "Tradition" of today is not the Church of our youth.  You will not find a place where there is not some accommodation to the New, in some form or manner.

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    « Reply #29 on: April 28, 2016, 07:07:29 AM »
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  • Furthermore, back then, the middle-classes that supported ABL strongly did not want to give up their high standard of living or want their children to suffer by being excluded from society. They liked certain aspects of the grand old archbishop without paying too much attention to what he said. Later on, I have seen trads return to the mainstream church "for the sake of the children"!

    There is a small core of principled laity; the rest are guided by convenience, nostalgia, fear and an attachment to personalties.  It is quite easy to understand why the bulk would not lose any sleep being back with Rome and be grateful to Bp. Fellay for fixing it. The exuberant show of disobedience would be at an end and comfort zones would be restored.