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Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2022, 12:47:20 AM »
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  • Hope folks can spend a little bit extra to help a most worthy and long standing traditional Catholic Apostolate headed up by Hugh Akins, the publisher of Eternal Hell by Fr. Chazal by buying the regular print edition.

    Uhm, no.  it is not my intent to steal.  I'd rather have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc.  And it's not about saving monney.  I'd be willing to pay the same price as for the Print Edition.  I don't appreciate the condescending insinuation.

    Why is Hugh Akins trying to cash in on Father Chazal's work anyway?  If I were Father and wanted this book to have great reach, I would publish it in PDF for free and then put in a request for a $10 donation for anyone who reads the book and finds it to have been of value.


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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #46 on: November 11, 2022, 02:29:04 AM »
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  • Uhm, no.  it is not my intent to steal.  I'd rather have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc.  And it's not about saving monney.  I'd be willing to pay the same price as for the Print Edition.  I don't appreciate the condescending insinuation.

    Why is Hugh Akins trying to cash in on Father Chazal's work anyway?  If I were Father and wanted this book to have great reach, I would publish it in PDF for free and then put in a request for a $10 donation for anyone who reads the book and finds it to have been of value.

    Please don't read what isn't there.  No one said, implied, or insinuated that it was your intent to steal!  And no one is questioning your legitimate preference to "have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc."

    I find it amazing, however, that you would accuse Mr. Akins, a very decent -- some would say heroic -- and hard working traditional Catholic of in your words "trying to cash in on Father's Chazal's work."   The incredible amount of work and out of pocket expenses Mr. Akins went through in getting Father's  very rough transcript into print are relatively mind boggling and the chances of him breaking even, let alone "cashing in" appear dim at best.  The books he prints up and doesn't manage to sell just sit around as dead inventory.   

    As for Fr. Chazal's writings, as has been stated before, they are not even copyrighted.  Anyone is legally free to copy them and sell them for their own personal profit.  Nothing in Mr. Akins' message on his website states or implies otherwise, although if one were to copy and sell them sending Mr. Akins an appropriate donation would certainly seem like the right thing to do in all Christian charity.

    Fr. Chazal and Mr. Akins have had a very cordial, trusting, working relationship/friendship of many years.  That said, I can appreciate your constructive suggestion for Fr. Chazal publishing his work in PDF,  etc.  I believe your suggestion is sincere and well intended.  I hope that you convey it directly to Fr. Chazal who I think may be well receptive to it.


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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #47 on: November 11, 2022, 02:32:32 AM »
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  • Please don't read what isn't there.  No one said, implied, or insinuated that it was your intent to steal!  And no one is questioning your legitimate preference to "have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc."

    Alright, but your response to my query about the availability of an electronic (typically PDF) copy was to post a long rant from Mr. Akins about defrauding him through PDFs.  Not sure how I was to take your post.

    You simply could have stated, "There's no PDF or other electronic version of the book available at this time."  That would have sufficed.

    And how exactly would Mr. Akins be defrauded if Father Chazal has stated that there's no copyright?  So how is his rant about laying claim to his intellectual property consistent with this publication relevant to my query, since it's not copyrighted?

    Either his rant was unrelated to Father Chazal's book (in which case it's entirely irrelevant) or else it was his attempting to seize the IP of Father Chazal's book and profit off it exclusively when Father Chazal has (reportedly) put no such restrictions on it.

    From your post:
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    Dear Friends, please be advised that none of the titles we publish are offered as pdf e-books. We publish hard-copy print editions only, not electronic ones. And yet we have become aware that there are a number of online entities that are selling our books in pdf electronic format. Let it be known they have NOT been authorized to do so; they are selling our books WITHOUT our permission; in other words, they are STEALING from us, appropriating profits they have no moral or legal right to, in flagrant violation of God’s 7th commandment forbidding theft.

    So he states that "none" of the books he publishes (he's publishing Father Chazal's book) are available as PDFs because that would constitute "stealing" from him.  Well, how is it stealing form him if Father Chazal owns/controls the rights to the book and he has stated that there's no copyright on it.  Either there is or there isn't.  Either it's stealing from Akins or it's not.  Which one is it?  He appears to be trying to corner the market on a book that Father Chazal has control over.  None of this makes sense.  I suppose that if some work went into preparing the printed edition, if someone then tried to convert his printed edition into a PDF, that would be one thing.  But if there were a PDF out there that came from Father Chazal's sources, that would in no way be stealing from HIM.  It was Father Chazal who put 99% of the work into the book, nor Mr. Akins.  I could take a source PDF and touch it up and send it in to a printing company within a few days.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #48 on: November 11, 2022, 03:41:10 AM »
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  • I just wish Father had published a PDF (or other electornic) edition of the book to purchase and download.  I can't find one.
    Yeah, no reading outside the US...

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #49 on: November 11, 2022, 07:37:53 PM »
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  • Setting aside my personal preference for hard copy books, I sent an email today to Mr. Hugh Akins with a copy to Fr. Chazal, in which I strongly implored him to "revisit" the question of E-Book publication.  I expressed my belief that in today's day and age, in order to achieve an exponentially greater dissemination of much needed traditional Catholic literature, it is absolutely essential that E-Book publication be an integral part of the equation.

    cf: https://www.blueleaf-book-scanning.com/book_scanning_service_order.html

    https://www.microsystems.com.au/book-scanning-what-does-it-cost/

     https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-digitize-a-printed-book

    ,ttps://kitaboo.com/switching-epublishing-from-traditional-books/




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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #50 on: November 11, 2022, 08:55:12 PM »
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  • Setting aside my personal preference for hard copy books, I sent an email today to Mr. Hugh Akins with a copy to Fr. Chazal, in which I strongly implored him to "revisit" the question of E-Book publication.  I expressed my belief that in today's day and age, in order to achieve an exponentially greater dissemination of much needed traditional Catholic literature, it is absolutely essential that E-Book publication be an integral part of the equation.

    cf: https://www.blueleaf-book-scanning.com/book_scanning_service_order.html

    https://www.microsystems.com.au/book-scanning-what-does-it-cost/

     https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-digitize-a-printed-book

    ,ttps://kitaboo.com/switching-epublishing-from-traditional-books/

    Thank you.  I agree.  In this day and age, however, I would be surprised if there isn't an electronic version out there somewhere.

    Did Father write this book with pencil and paper?  I would bet that he used some kind of Word Processing software.  So there would seem to be no need to covert the book back from the physical copy into an electronic.

    Very few printers sit there these days and typeset the book using those little metal letters they used to use, right?  They take an electronic version and send that to the printer.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #51 on: November 11, 2022, 10:15:18 PM »
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  • Did Father write this book with pencil and paper?
    If I recall correctly, Akins said it was a rough hand written composition and he, Atkins, had great difficulties in getting it all put together properly.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #52 on: November 14, 2022, 07:31:54 PM »
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  • Did Father write this book with pencil and paper?


    I just found out from Mr. Akins that Father sent it to him electronically. 

     I also just found out from Fr. Chazal that Resistance priest Fr. Valan D. Rajkumar put out 2,000 copies of the book (see attachment below) and that a certain Mr. Loeman put out another batch for Australia.  Also, Fr. Chazal let me know that a french translation of the work is already half done.

    Below is an old video of Fr. Valan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPkrTPzu2EY&list=PLy6oYOeZMk2jaN8aEdIuCyjHCbwegxvbH&index=2



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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #53 on: November 14, 2022, 07:45:01 PM »
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  • My copy of "Eternal Hell" arrived in the mail today. That was quick service.

    I don't understand why anyone would think that it's so terrible to read an actual book made of paper. Unless one is disabled, and hasn't the use of their hands to hold a book, or something like that. Books are really quite traditional - they've been around for a long time. Hopefully, they'll be around for awhile longer.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #54 on: November 25, 2022, 06:03:20 PM »
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  • Chapter 5 of 40 chapters from Eternal Hell by the Reverend Father Francois Chazal, MCSPX:

    Burial of Hell Into Oblivion

    Man has been created to know, love and serve God. The failure of doing
    so permanently is called damnation, the failure of doing so in this life is
    called sin. Most people are not that bad as to hate God in this world, and
    most do not commit heinous mortal sins, but their loss came from the
    lack of consideration of eternal things.

    Today’s world is especially dangerous in that respect, with the advent
    of new means of capturing the mind of men in general, and the electronic
    cage in particular.

    The hymn of Vespers says it all: “Dum nil perenne cogitat sese culpis
    illigat,” “As he perpetually thinks about nothing, he ties himself with
    sins.” Most don’t think in their heart, and break the rst commandment
    imperceptibly because the rst commandment requires to love God with
    one’s whole mind, soul, heart and strength. People like God for the most
    part, but that is not at all what He is asking, or demanding of us. People
    “luv” God, says a well-known bishop, they don’t LOVE Him.

    Warner & Bros., in order to cater to the American Catholic public in
    the 1950’s, came with a nice rendition of Fatima: the children played
    very well, the depiction of the Masonic government trying to counter
    the spread of the phenomena and trying to persecute the seers, is well
    done. e nerdy local priest, the inept bishop, are well described. Even
    keeping Our Lady in a haze, was the right decision. All went well then?
    No! e vision of Hell, which is the rst and most important message of
    Fatima is missing in the movie. It seems that the Devil wouldn’t mind
    having Russia mentioned by Our Blessed Mother, but what Warner and
    all the yist priests and laymen of that time will not countenance is
    the severe and terrible warning about Hell. is, you can say, is a typical
    betrayal of souls, who will not hear what they need to hear from Our
    Blessed Mother.

    The problem is that after death, everyone will be alone with only God
    and himself facing each other. Only then does the soul realize totally

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    that He is his only life, his only light, his only happiness, in short his All.
    St. Francis, the whole night long, night after night, could not sleep but
    would say over and over again: “My God and my All!” By the end of his
    life, he was quite ready... but now, men today don’t have any time to
    tell God that they love Him, or it burdens them to say so enough times.

    A World Geared Against Contemplation

    The fabric of our present world says Bernanos, is the destruction of
    contemplation.

    It is a lot more eective to destroy man’s sense of contemplation of
    eternity, than even to deny and brush Hell aside. Never before have we
    seen the mind of man more absorbed by such an organized hallucination
    of the senses, a well-planned organization, and a serious and massive
    entertainment operation. e objective is simple: If man uses his intellect,
    that will be to establish a bigger man-made paradise and diversion from
    Eternity.

    People can go to Disneyland and get a total immersion in a fabricated
    paradise, or go to Phuket Island if they so desire; they can put on the
    gear of virtual reality on their eyes and ears, or live like the Hikkiko-
    moris, entirely enclosed into a virtual world, the Metaverse. For the
    most a 72’ high-def convex plasma screen, combined with a massively
    powerful gaming console will do. These are the successors of the colossal
    entertainment institutions of the Roman Empire. Their main circus was
    indeed called the Colosseum, not just because of the colossus of Nero
    nearby, but because the building was, and still is actually huge. It is a pity
    that so little remains of the Circus Maximus near the Palatine because
    its capacity was 280,000 spectators. “We will keep you entertained,” we
    will keep the bait until you are all in the net.

    Global Ineptitude

    Once the sense of man is emerged in horizontal earthly things, stupidity
    is achieved at last, and the soul cannot catch any divine message: “The

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    animal man does not perceive what belongs to the Spirit of God” (I Cor,
    2:14), nay, he even desires what abstracts his mind from things above to
    get a beer, deeper immersion in mud (2,2,46,ad2).

    The final product is the lack of time devoted to prayer, the total lack of
    orientation of the soul to Heaven. e avenues of fun are so diverse, many
    sinful, and just as many seemingly innocent, like sports, games, races,
    fashions, manias, modern music, fiestas, carnivals, always attended by
    vast crowds, and now in some cases, billions of viewers. e big facilities
    that used to exist in ancient time are now available, not just in an empire,
    but in the whole world, even among nations who never used them. “Let
    us build a city and a tower to celebrate our name,” says man in order
    to forget God Who in turn observes, “What they have started, they will
    never stop continuing it until it is complete.”

    Interestingly, Isaiah does not blame Sodom for sodomy, but simply
    for forgetting God altogether. Like Lot, it was lured by its prosperity
    and abundance, like us today are lured by the massive ports, storage
    facilities, logistic centers culminating in huge commercial complexes and
    shopping malls. In Hong-Kong, Singapore and so many other places, you
    can walk uninterruptedly among miles and miles of shops and galleries,
    above ground and underground, all of them fully illuminated for the
    ‘Kwishmush’ season, that starts in September in the Philippines, (a poor
    country hosting the largest shopping malls in the world).

    Why on earth should one contemplate, and worse, meditate on Hell
    amidst so many diversions? Babylon is truly great and prosperous. “Sedeo
    Regina”: I seat as a queen, over all the people of the earth, I shall go from
    prosperity to prosperity, good times to no end. It’s more by mercy than
    justice that God decides to precipitate the succeeding Babylons “in one
    hour,” all of a sudden, at different times of History.

    To be sure, the Devil would prefer people to go to Hell by a greater
    degree of malice, but for most, he must content himself with the simple
    oblivion of God. “No deep-seated malice, but just defect of Heaven?”
    “at will do,” says he.

    Si quis ignorat, ignorabitur,” if you ignore God, He will ignore you,
    and you will hear “In truth I say to thee, I know thee not.” If, as says Our

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    Lord, “this is Eternal Life, that they may know Thee and the One thou has
    sent,” Eternal Death is that they know Thee not. “That will do!”, says the
    Prince of Darkness. “The way of the sinner is tenebrous, and they ignore
    where they shall fall” (Prov. 4:19).

    The Death of Collot d’Herbois

    Collot d’Herbois is a well-known figure of the reign of Terror of the
    French Revolution, going around France with a guillotine to cut the head
    of anyone still believing or being suspected of believing in God. He was
    particularly cruel against the city of Lyon, and openly confessed that
    since men have no souls they can be killed like animals. And so he did
    kill, by the thousands.

    Accused as an accomplice of Robespierre, he was not executed with
    him but sent to the tropical territory of Cayenne, in April 1795. As he
    got there, loved neither by the white nor by the local blacks who called
    him “bourreau des hommes et de la religion;” “executioner of men and
    religion.” Seeing this he exclaimed: “I am punished! This abandonment
    is Hell to me.”

    Then his fever started. A mysterious re invaded all his members,
    burning his whole body with unspeakable torments. A soldier asked
    him why he was invoking the God he was mocking a few days before,
    and he replied: “Ah, my friend, my mouth lied to my heart!” He was
    crying constantly: “I am in Hell! I am in Hell!” For that reason, he was
    sent to the most retired room of the hospital, but to no avail. To ease his
    suffering, they tried to bury him to his neck in cool soil, only to find him
    dead in that state.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #55 on: November 26, 2022, 07:58:37 AM »
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  • Also, Fr. Chazal let me know that a french translation of the work is already half done.

    It's curious / ironic that Fr. Chazal would write in English only to have it translated back into French.


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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #56 on: November 26, 2022, 02:05:04 PM »
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  • It's curious / ironic that Fr. Chazal would write in English only to have it translated back into French.

    Not really in so much as he presumably wanted to get an English edition out first to a bigger potential market.  In any event, feel free to inquire of him.  Fr. Chazal is Fr. Chazal. 

     I was very happy to read the first sentence of his preface to this book: "Dear Reader, after this book on eternal death, I shall write another one on eternal life called Eternal Crown, the two of which will be called Eternity, because "man shall go into the house of his eternity" (Eccles.12:5).