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Title: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 01, 2022, 11:40:40 PM
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Eternal Hell
 
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Fatima, July 13th, 1917

The Blessed Virgin opened her hands like in the preceding months. The ray of projected light seemed to penetrate the ground and we saw like a great sea of fire.

In it the devils were plunged with souls resembling transparent and black or tanned embers in human form.
They were floating in the conflagration, carried by flames coming from all sides, like sparks of great fires, without weight nor balance, in the midst of horrible cries and horrible shoutings of pain and despair, which made us shiver and tremble with horror. […]
The devils were distinguished by horrible and repugnant forms of hideous and unknown beasts, like black embers, both ablaze and transparent.

That vision lasted only one instant, and we must thank our Mother of Heaven who had prepared us in advance, promising us to take us with Her in Heaven; otherwise we would have died of terror and fright.

“A reading and deep reflection of the book Eternal Hell by Fr. Chazal has the power to enlighten minds and transform souls with the same holy efficacy of an Ignatian Retreat.  Yes, it contains that much worldly detoxification and spiritual rejuvenation, i.e., that many life-altering gems of Catholic truth, within its pages.  It’s a spiritual masterpiece we would want to place in the hands of as many Catholics and Christians that we can reach – especially those nearest and dearest to us.  There is no greater or more urgent work of mercy than to help redirect as many souls as we are able away from Hell and towards Heaven, with this potent new missionary tool.” –  Hugh Akins, Publisher



Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 01, 2022, 11:43:48 PM

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Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 01, 2022, 11:47:57 PM
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Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 02, 2022, 10:16:27 AM
Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: ServusInutilisDomini on October 02, 2022, 11:13:04 AM
Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.
Yikes. Wouldn't have thought the SSPX is already at that stage...
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: epiphany on October 02, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.
Seems to me Fr. Chazal should not be advertising the personal info of his seminarians.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 02, 2022, 11:47:54 AM
Seems to me Fr. Chazal should not be advertising the personal info of his seminarians.

What was so personal about what he said?  I should think it was probably already public knowledge by them.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: trento on October 03, 2022, 12:36:42 AM
Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.

That video was from 2020, so it's not "new" information. What I heard from my sources rather, was that he was expelled for insisting geocentrism as dogma.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 03, 2022, 03:57:18 AM
That video was from 2020, so it's not "new" information. What I heard from my sources rather, was that he was expelled for insisting geocentrism as dogma.

Well, the Holy Office considered it at least proximate to faith, and heliocentrism to be heresy.  Is Father Chazal a geo-centrist, and, if not, would this young man consider Father Chazal a heretic?

I doubt that he was only concerned about the heliocentrism in Father Robison's book ... but more about Big Bang and evolution.

This notion that he held geocentrism to be dogma is very likely a misunderstanding of holding that Father Robinson's book is heretical, and I would agree with that.  I'm guessing that your sources do not have the full story.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 03, 2022, 09:39:33 AM
  Is Father Chazal a geo-centrist,
Yes!
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: trento on October 03, 2022, 10:46:03 AM
Well, the Holy Office considered it at least proximate to faith, and heliocentrism to be heresy.  Is Father Chazal a geo-centrist, and, if not, would this young man consider Father Chazal a heretic?

I doubt that he was only concerned about the heliocentrism in Father Robison's book ... but more about Big Bang and evolution.

This notion that he held geocentrism to be dogma is very likely a misunderstanding of holding that Father Robinson's book is heretical, and I would agree with that.  I'm guessing that your sources do not have the full story.
Is heliocentrism still considered a heresy even before the Council?

Is geocentrism an article of the faith? So any Catholic who accepts heliocentrism are no longer Catholics?

From the apologetics work Radio Replies volume 4 (Vol 4 (http://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-4.php) : 1,650 questions and answers on Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Paganism and Communism from the radio information session over the 13 years from 1941 to 1954.)

459. Has the Copernican system been accepted by all astronomers?

As opposed to the geocentric system of Ptolemy, Copernicus taught the heliocentric system, holding that the earth revolves around the sun. He arrived at that idea as a result of his studies of the movements of the sun and moon and planets which he undertook in the interests of reforming the calendar. And his conclusion has been accepted by all astronomers. No one today would dream of disputing it.

Regarding the position of the SSPX on this topic, here is what I found:

https://sspx.org/en/sspx-on-geocentrism-press-release-galileo-heliocentric-solar-system-bible-divino-afflatu-spiritu-providentissimus-deus


The SSPX on geocentrism: press release

What is the SSPX's position concerning the heliocentric and geocentric scientific theories of the solar system?

PLATTE CITY, MO (8-30-2011) A recent news report implied that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X promotes the scientific theory of geocentrism as a Catholic teaching based upon the Bible. The SSPX holds no such position.

The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics should not use Sacred Scripture to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. As a religious congregation of the Catholic Church, the SSPX holds to these principles and does not teach any solar scientific theory.




The SSPX and the solar system

As declared by Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus (http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18111893_providentissimus-deus.html), science cannot contradict the Faith:

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There can never… be any real discrepancy between the theologian and the physicist, as long as each confines himself within his own lines, and both are careful, as St. Augustine warns us, 'not to make rash assertions, or to assert what is not known as known.'"
 

Even today, many commonly-held tenets of natural science are merely theories, not certainties. This is not the case with the Catholic Faith, which is a certainty.

The Church’s magisterium authoritatively teaches on the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture. As Pope Pius XII taught in Divino Afflatu Spiritu (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xii_enc_30091943_divino-afflante-spiritu.html):

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The Holy Ghost, Who spoke by them [the sacred writers], did not intend to teach men these things—that is the essential nature of the things of the universe... [which principle] will apply to cognate sciences…"
 

Providentissimus Deus also states that Scripture does not give scientific explanations and many of its texts use “figurative language” or expressions “commonly used at the time”, still used today “even by the most eminent men of science” (like the word “sunrise”). Such expressions are not scientific teachings about the cosmic world.

So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium, the Society of St. Pius X holds fast to these principles: no more and no less.

Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 03, 2022, 11:13:22 AM

From the apologetics work Radio Replies volume 4 (Vol 4 (http://www.radioreplies.info/radio-replies-vol-4.php) : 1,650 questions and answers on Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Paganism and Communism from the radio information session over the 13 years from 1941 to 1954.)

459. Has the Copernican system been accepted by all astronomers?

As opposed to the geocentric system of Ptolemy, Copernicus taught the heliocentric system, holding that the earth revolves around the sun. He arrived at that idea as a result of his studies of the movements of the sun and moon and planets which he undertook in the interests of reforming the calendar. And his conclusion has been accepted by all astronomers. No one today would dream of disputing it.


Incredible!  Hard to believe such a good work as Radio Replies would put forth such a scandalously erroneous answer as they clearly do above.  I checked it out for myself at http://www.radioreplies.info/site-search.php?q=copernicus&db=4 (http://www.radioreplies.info/site-search.php?q=copernicus&db=4) and sure enough Radio Replies Volume 4 published in 1954 does indeed state the above!
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 03, 2022, 07:45:15 PM
Incredible!  Hard to believe such a good work as Radio Replies would put forth such a scandalously erroneous answer as they clearly do above.  I checked it out for myself at http://www.radioreplies.info/site-search.php?q=copernicus&db=4 (http://www.radioreplies.info/site-search.php?q=copernicus&db=4) and sure enough Radio Replies Volume 4 published in 1954 does indeed state the above!

It's hard to believe how the entire Catholic world collapsed into Modernism in dramatic fashion during Vatican II also.  These types of things are signs of the seeds that were planted everywhere already well before Vatican II.  While exterally robust, there was already a rot that ran deep among the faithful.  Whatever you think of Father Feeney, if you look at what actually happened, it wasn't until later that Father Feeney started to hold his famous opinion about Baptism of Desire.  What was under dispute is all the people around him who OUTRIGHT rejected the dogma that there's no salvation outside the Church, with one verbatim denial after another, including from his chief adversary, Cardinal Cushing:  "No salvation outside the Church?  Nonsense.  Nobody's gonna tell me that Christ came to die for any select group."  (I'm guessing this "nobody" includes the Holy Catholic Church and three dogmatic declarations.  This man was echoing Wojtyla about 30 years ahead of time.)  Some of the statements made by Father Feeney's Jesuit superiors were just shameless heresy, without even the slightest attempt to say, "Well, yes, we believe that there's no salvation outside the Church, but what the dogma really means is ..."  Nope.  It was shamelss, "We don't believe EENS."  In fact, after Father's "excommunication," the headlines from the New York times were along the lines of "Catholic Church Rejects That There's No Salvation Outside the Church".
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 03, 2022, 08:19:17 PM
As declared by Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus (http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18111893_providentissimus-deus.html), science cannot contradict the Faith:

Even today, many commonly-held tenets of natural science are merely theories, not certainties. This is not the case with the Catholic Faith, which is a certainty.

The Church’s magisterium authoritatively teaches on the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture. As Pope Pius XII taught in Divino Afflatu Spiritu (http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xii_enc_30091943_divino-afflante-spiritu.html):

Providentissimus Deus also states that Scripture does not give scientific explanations and many of its texts use “figurative language” or expressions “commonly used at the time”, still used today “even by the most eminent men of science” (like the word “sunrise”). Such expressions are not scientific teachings about the cosmic world.

So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium, the Society of St. Pius X holds fast to these principles: no more and no less.

Nothing has been so badly abused as Pope Leo XIII's Encyclical Providentissimus Deus.  While the Sacred Scriptures did not have as the direct object of their Revelations matters of natural science PER SE, they nevertheless did reveal many such things PER ACCIDENS.  Same thing can be said of history.  As St. Robert discussed, even if such things were not infallible ex parte objecti, as the subject matter of science and history cannot be objects of "faith" per se, they are nevertheless infallible and inerrant ex parte dicentis ... because of He Who authored the texts.  This is why Galileo's theories were condemned as heresy.  How can science be heresy?  Because to contradict Sacred Scripture impugns the inerrancy of God Himself, the Holy Spirit, Who authored the Sacred Scriptures.'

This is just repackaged Modernism from SSPX, and Father Paul Robinson's book takes it to the next level.  I recall back in my day, in the early 1990s, there was one seminarian who said he believed in evolution, and everyone to a man was stunned at that.  Now I'm sure you're considered a freak if you don't believe in the Big Bang, and especially if you're a geocentrist, and heaven forbid if you believe in a "Young Earth" or even that human beings have been around only for about 6,000 years.  Flat Earthers would get immediately expelled, even though they claim here that this has nothing to do with the faith ... just like Bishop Williamson was expelled for expressing an opinion about a historical (or non-historical) event.  So they speak out of both sides of their mouth.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 03, 2022, 09:34:56 PM
just like Bishop Williamson was expelled for expressing an opinion about a historical (or non-historical) event. 
Any mention on CI as to whether or not Bp. W is a FE or GE?
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 03, 2022, 09:49:42 PM
Any mention on CI as to whether or not Bp. W is a FE or GE?

I've not heard of His Excellency having an opinion on the matter.  I know that the group "Flat Earth Trads" are/were Resistance supporters, and support Bishop Williamson, but I do not believe that the feeling is mutual.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: trento on October 03, 2022, 11:23:54 PM
I've not heard of His Excellency having an opinion on the matter.  I know that the group "Flat Earth Trads" are/were Resistance supporters, and support Bishop Williamson, but I do not believe that the feeling is mutual.

I suspect His Excellency doesn't have a opinion about it since it is not one of his pet topics, also considering that the official position of the SSPX was published quite a while before the Bishop's expulsion from the Society. I do think though, that there is a world of difference between privately holding a particular solar theory and actively campaigning for it in the seminary and holding your opinion as an article of Faith. Who is telling the truth, we may never know in this life. :confused:
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 04, 2022, 08:39:21 AM
I've not heard of His Excellency having an opinion on the matter.  I know that the group "Flat Earth Trads" are/were Resistance supporters, and support Bishop Williamson, but I do not believe that the feeling is mutual.
When you were in the seminary was there ever any classroom discussion regarding geocentrism vs heliocentrism and if so what was the consensus, if any?  I am of the impression that the subject was more or less ignored.  I don't think His Excellency had much interest in it.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Cornelius935 on October 05, 2022, 08:56:22 PM
(Answer to the question "Is Fr. Chazal a geo-centrist...")

Yes!

He isn't a geo-centrist, he actually leans towards helio-centrism. I asked him in person recently (late August).

For what it's worth, I have no strong opinions about it, but I agreed with him that the symbolism of the sun representing Christ makes more sense in helio-centrism.

"The Realist Guide" also questions the Great Flood and suggests it was only local. There are so many obvious errors in that book, so we can't tell which one was the SSPX mad about when questioned by the seminarian. Anyway, questioning them is enough to make them mad.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: trento on October 06, 2022, 03:29:55 AM
Excerpt from a letter of Fr. François Laisney published at https://therealistguide.com/blog/f/fr-laisneys-support-of-the-realist-guide

“You joined some thoughts about a sentence in Fr Paul Robinson’s excellent book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science, questioning what he writes ‘against a geographically universal flood.’ It is quite providential that your letter arrives so close after the feast of the Ascension. Indeed, the homily of St Gregory at Matins of that feast sheds light on that very matter. In the third reading of that homily, ninth lesson of Matins, St Gregory says:

When then, He had rebuked the hardness of their heart, what command did He give them? Let us hear. "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature." Was the Holy Gospel, then my brethren, to be preached to thing insensate, or to brute beasts, that the Lord said to His disciples: "Preach the Gospel to every creature"? Nay, but by the words "every creature" we must understand man, in whom are combined qualities of all creatures. Being he hath in common with stones, life in common with trees, feeling in common with beasts, understanding in common with angels. If, then, man hath something in common with every creature, man is to a certain extent every creature. The Gospel, then, if it be preached to man only, is preached to every creature.

Now let us reflect on what St Gregory teaches. Our Lord Jesus Christ said: ‘preach the Gospel to every creature.’ And St Gregory explains: it does not apply to every creature, but only to every man. Thus, we are not obliged to go onto the moon to preach to the stones there, nor to go to Mars or Venus, nor any other planet or star. We may stay on the earth and even there, we are not obliged to preach to every penguin in Antarctica: it is sufficient to preach to every man.

Similarly, when Moses says in the book of Genesis “And the waters prevailed beyond measure upon the earth: and all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered – opertique sunt omnes montes excelsi sub universo caelo” (Gen. 7:19), it is sufficient to say: it covered the whole heaven where men were living, so that all men were engulfed in the Flood, not necessarily the top of Mount Everest, because there was no one there, nor anywhere around, because men had not yet spread over the earth: it was before the tower of Babel.

Do you see the parallel of such interpretation with that of St Gregory? As St Gregory is not opposed to the truth of the Gospel when he applies the universality of the words of our Lord merely to all men, so is Fr Paul Robinson not opposed to the truth of Genesis when he applies the universality of the flood merely to all men. He does not say the Scriptures is wrong, he says its universality is that of all men (and women!). Such interpretation is not a denial of the inerrancy of the Scriptures, it is rather proposing the right interpretation of the Scriptures and is in perfect conformity with St Gregory according to the exegetical principals of St Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine.

Please, do consider this: God does not say one thing to one and the opposite to the other. He is the Author of Nature, and one can consider Nature as a big book that speak to us about its Author. Every flower tells us: “God made me!” The Scripture itself tells us: “The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands” (Ps. 18:2). And that is true not only of the heavens, but also of the earth: every creature somehow speaks to us about its Creator.

Now when we study the book of nature, we find fossils that “tell” us that they are very old. Did God create dead fossils that appear to be so old, but in fact never lived? Were they created dead? Not a single Father of the Church ever claimed that! We should rather believe that God is as true in the Book of Nature as in the Scriptures! This is the teaching of the Fathers and of the Church. The important thing is to understand properly the one and the other. What Father Robinson teaches – and very well – is precisely that the conflicts between religion and science only comes when people do not understand properly one or the other or both. And the way to reach a proper understanding of both is precisely to adopt a realist philosophy, which is that of St Thomas Aquinas, and which the Church made her own.

So, similarly, when St Peter says: “the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished” (2 Pet. 3:6), he does not mean that the whole universe perished, but only the inhabited world, it was everything that the men of the time had ever known, their world. Such interpretation is very much respectful of the truth of the Scriptures, and follows exactly St Gregory’s exegesis.

At the end of your reflections you mention the principle of uniformity. This principle states simply that the Laws of nature, as we know them today, have been the same since the beginning of creation and shall remain the same until the end of time. Such principle is most certainly not opposed to the faith. First of all, the very acknowledgement of natural laws evidently implies that the acknowledgement of the existence of a Lawmaker, i.e. God! Moreover, such principle is not against miracles: God is not limited by the very laws that He has set. He can produce an effect without its normal natural causes. Now the Flood is like the crossing of the red sea: both are miracles, and both signify Baptism. A miracle such as the Flood does not terminate the Laws of nature: they were true before and remain true after even though God bypassed them for the duration of that miracle.

Thus, the dogma of the flood is not opposed to the natural principle of uniformity.
I hope that these explanations can be of a help, to better understand the holy Scriptures and to appreciate the value of Father Paul Robinson’s excellent book.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: trento on October 06, 2022, 03:34:03 AM
Ladislaus rightly asks, if Fr. Chazal isn't a geocentrist, will the seminarian condemn Fr. Chazal as a heretic? 
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: de Lugo on October 06, 2022, 10:28:26 AM
Excerpt from a letter of Fr. François Laisney published at https://therealistguide.com/blog/f/fr-laisneys-support-of-the-realist-guide

“You joined some thoughts about a sentence in Fr Paul Robinson’s excellent book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science, questioning what he writes ‘against a geographically universal flood.’ It is quite providential that your letter arrives so close after the feast of the Ascension. Indeed, the homily of St Gregory at Matins of that feast sheds light on that very matter. In the third reading of that homily, ninth lesson of Matins, St Gregory says:

When then, He had rebuked the hardness of their heart, what command did He give them? Let us hear. "Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature." Was the Holy Gospel, then my brethren, to be preached to thing insensate, or to brute beasts, that the Lord said to His disciples: "Preach the Gospel to every creature"? Nay, but by the words "every creature" we must understand man, in whom are combined qualities of all creatures. Being he hath in common with stones, life in common with trees, feeling in common with beasts, understanding in common with angels. If, then, man hath something in common with every creature, man is to a certain extent every creature. The Gospel, then, if it be preached to man only, is preached to every creature.

Now let us reflect on what St Gregory teaches. Our Lord Jesus Christ said: ‘preach the Gospel to every creature.’ And St Gregory explains: it does not apply to every creature, but only to every man. Thus, we are not obliged to go onto the moon to preach to the stones there, nor to go to Mars or Venus, nor any other planet or star. We may stay on the earth and even there, we are not obliged to preach to every penguin in Antarctica: it is sufficient to preach to every man.

Similarly, when Moses says in the book of Genesis “And the waters prevailed beyond measure upon the earth: and all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered – opertique sunt omnes montes excelsi sub universo caelo” (Gen. 7:19), it is sufficient to say: it covered the whole heaven where men were living, so that all men were engulfed in the Flood, not necessarily the top of Mount Everest, because there was no one there, nor anywhere around, because men had not yet spread over the earth: it was before the tower of Babel.

Do you see the parallel of such interpretation with that of St Gregory? As St Gregory is not opposed to the truth of the Gospel when he applies the universality of the words of our Lord merely to all men, so is Fr Paul Robinson not opposed to the truth of Genesis when he applies the universality of the flood merely to all men. He does not say the Scriptures is wrong, he says its universality is that of all men (and women!). Such interpretation is not a denial of the inerrancy of the Scriptures, it is rather proposing the right interpretation of the Scriptures and is in perfect conformity with St Gregory according to the exegetical principals of St Thomas Aquinas and St Augustine.

I'm not sure how this exegesis advances the theory of Fr. Robinson: According to Abbe Laisney's application of this hermeneutic (i.e., the flood need not be universal; it suffices that it covered all the lands where men lived), the flood would still have had to have been universal, since men were located in nearly every region of the world, even if perhaps not on the mountain tops.  So to destroy all men in all parts of the inhabited world, how does the flood not need to be universal?

The only way this hermeneutic works, if if all men inhabited only one region of the world (which I have never heard anyone advance).
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: trento on October 07, 2022, 01:45:05 AM
I'm not sure how this exegesis advances the theory of Fr. Robinson: According to Abbe Laisney's application of this hermeneutic (i.e., the flood need not be universal; it suffices that it covered all the lands where men lived), the flood would still have had to have been universal, since men were located in nearly every region of the world, even if perhaps not on the mountain tops.  So to destroy all men in all parts of the inhabited world, how does the flood not need to be universal?

The only way this hermeneutic works, if if all men inhabited only one region of the world (which I have never heard anyone advance).

Abbe Laisney mentioned in that letter that the Flood was before the Tower of Babel, after which men spread throughout the world. It was estimated that the Tower of Babel happened about 100 years after the Flood. 
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 07, 2022, 12:34:20 PM
He [Fr. Chazal] isn't a geo-centrist, .



I just received an email from him today in which he stated: "I think the earth is at the center of the universe"
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: de Lugo on October 07, 2022, 01:51:16 PM
Abbe Laisney mentioned in that letter that the Flood was before the Tower of Babel, after which men spread throughout the world. It was estimated that the Tower of Babel happened about 100 years after the Flood.

I concede this point (and thank you for having learned something here).

Nevertheless, the hermeneutic of l'Abbe Laisney/'Abbe Robinson (i.e., the flood need not be universal; it suffices that it covered only the inhabited lands) seems to be at odds with traditional exegesis.

For example, in Genesis 7:11 (wherein the commencement of the deluge is announced), my English-language copy of the Douay-Rheims Bible (Haydock translation) appends this footnote:

"Ver. 11...The systems of those pretended philosophers, who would represent this flood as only partial, affecting [only] the countries which were then inhabited, are all refuted by the plain narration of Moses.  What part of the world could have been secure, when the waters prevailed 15 cubits above the highest mountains!...Calmet and others have proved, both from Scripture, and from philosophical arguments, the universality of the deluge, against Isaac Vossius & c." (p.22).
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 07, 2022, 08:36:26 PM
When you were in the seminary was there ever any classroom discussion regarding geocentrism vs heliocentrism and if so what was the consensus, if any?  I am of the impression that the subject was more or less ignored.  I don't think His Excellency had much interest in it.

I recall no discussion of geocentrism/heliocentrism inside the classroom or outside.  That leads me to the impression that there was no interest in it.  For me, I had never really heard about the claims of geocentrism, so it wasn't even "a thing" for me.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 07, 2022, 08:40:08 PM
For what it's worth, I have no strong opinions about it, but I agreed with him that the symbolism of the sun representing Christ makes more sense in helio-centrism.

I disagree.  Christians applied the symbolism of the sun to Our Lord in the sense of His bringing light into the world when He entered.  So the world was in darkness, and then the Lord came and illumined it ... just as the sun illumines the world physically at sunrise.  With heliocentrism, that symbolism would be reversed where the world is illumined because the world turned toward Our Lord ... which it did not.  It was the other way around that the Lord brought His light TO the world, rather than the world turned TO the light.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 07, 2022, 08:58:54 PM
Excerpt from a letter of Fr. François Laisney
Similarly, when Moses says in the book of Genesis “And the waters prevailed beyond measure upon the earth: and all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered
...
[This does] not necessarily [mean] the top of Mount Everest, because there was no one there, nor anywhere around, because men had not yet spread over the earth: it was before the tower of Babel.


So Sacred Scripture says that "all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered" ... ALL under the WHOLE HEAVEN.  We have the Holy Spirit deliberately adding the emphasis of ALL the high mountains under the WHOLE heaven precisely to rule out Laisney's (and Robinson's) heretical "interpretation".

Laisney is a dirty Modernist heretic and should be treated as a vitandus along with Robinson.

Laisney is quite possibly a Modernist infiltrator.  His book about Baptism of Desire is an absolute atrocity, wherein, in one case, he was caught deliberately using ellipses to basically leave out a "not" that would have shown the Church Father in question believed and taught the exact opposite of what Laisney claimed.  Laisney also lied in that book that there was a "universal consensus" of the Church Fathers in favor of BoD.  It's quite the opposite, where 5-6 Church Fathers explicitly rejected it, while 1-2 (arguably and at best) floated the speculation.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 07, 2022, 09:03:02 PM
Here's Laisney at a priests' meeting:
(https://fsspx.asia/sites/sspx/files/styles/colorbox-big/public/priests_meeting_2015_-_fr_laisney_457x460.jpg)

Remind you of anyone else?
(https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(101-200)/168_Ratz_Suit02.jpg)

Ratzinger was dressed better through.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 07, 2022, 10:25:05 PM
Laisney then continues in this Modernist Manifesto:

Quote
Now when we study the book of nature, we find fossils that “tell” us that they are very old. Did God create dead fossils that appear to be so old, but in fact never lived? Were they created dead? Not a single Father of the Church ever claimed that! We should rather believe that God is as true in the Book of Nature as in the Scriptures!
...
At the end of your reflections you mention the principle of uniformity. This principle states simply that the Laws of nature, as we know them today, have been the same since the beginning of creation and shall remain the same until the end of time. Such principle is most certainly not opposed to the faith.

Here we have Laisney bowing down to the "Goddess Reason" (of French Revolution fame), equating the "Book of Nature" with the Sacred Scriptures.  On one level, it's true that God authored both nature and Sacred Scripture, but to elevate nature to being on the same footing as Supernatural Revelation is borderline blasphemous.

Of course, what Laisney is promoting here is not that NATURE is on the same footing as Scripture, but rather that MODERN SCIENCE (who INTERPRET fossils being "very old") has the same degree of AUTHORITY and INERRANCY as the Sacred Scriptures ... nay, rather, more.  If there's a contradiction between the interpretations (often admittedly driven by an atheistic agenda) of Modern Science and the Sacred Scriptures, it is the Sacred Scriptures that must give way, and the interpretations thereof by the Church Fathers, and so now we must throw overboard the Church Fathers as ignorami and also do violence to Sacred Scripture, to the point of saying there can be scientific or historical error in Sacred Scripture.  Since the Sacred Scriptures did not "intend" to teach about science (also parroted by Father Peter Scott), that equates to there potentially being scientific ERROR in Sacred Scripture.

So, in other words, Modern Science is more inerrant than Sacred Scripture, and Lyell and Darwin were more enlightened and intelligent than the Church Fathers. Disgusting.

Modern Science's claim that fossils are "very old" has been thoroughly debunked.

Modern Science has been driven by a deliberate and conscious AGENDA to destroy faith and to undermine the Scriptures.  In fact, the term "uniformity" (i.e. the principle of "uniformitarianism") was coined by Charles Lyell, a bosom buddy and pen pal of Charles Darwin.  In the correspondence between these two scuм, Lyell admits to basically making it all up, and not caring whether it's true or not, so long as with it he can gut Christianity and the Sacred Scriptures.  Darwin said similar things.

So here we have a Traditional Catholic championing the scientific philosophy of two avowed enemies of the Church who admit to making things up precisely to undermine Sacred Scripture over Sacred Scripture itself.

So when Laisney is pretending to praise the Book of Nature, he's actually championing the Book of Darwin and Lyell over the Sacred Scriptures.

This is wicked, and Laisney needs to be rejected as a manifest heretic and a non-Catholic.  If he does not convert, he'll indeed find out the true Catholic meaning of the term, "Outside the Church There Is No Salvation".

BTW, Big Bang theorists (among whom we have Robinson, Laisney, etc.) only cling to this magical (and admittedly made-up by a vowed enemy of Christianity) "law" of "uniformitarianism" when it's convenient to attack Sacred Scriptures.  Otherwise, as the Big Bang began to fail, its proponents have had to invent a period of time where the laws of nature were "suspended" or "different" ... to account for serious problems with it. 

Of course, even outside of "uniformitarianism", the Big Bang VIOLATES the known laws of nature, the first and second laws of thermodynamics, the first being that matter and energy cannot be created (or destroyed), the second, of entropy, one facet of which is that disorganization / chaos cannot ever tend toward organization / order.

But these absolute and sacrosanct "laws of nature" (per Laisney) only remain inviolate when convenient in order to attack Sacred Scripture.  For, you see, God cannot violate them during Creation, but Mother Goddess Nature can certainly do so ... when the math behind Big Bang starts to fail.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on October 07, 2022, 10:29:45 PM
Speaking of fossils, let us not forget the very Father of Modernism, Teilhard de Chardin.

de Chardin conspired with a Charles Dawson to fabricate the Piltdown Man hoax to bolster evolution ... something now universally recognized not only as wrong, but as having been a DELIBERATE HOAX.

de Chardin largely started the assault on Sacred Scripture.

At one point, the Kolbe Institute put together a disturbing account of some vision/encounter de Chardin had that set him on his path to destroy the Faith.  It was clearly a diabolical vision.  I'll see if I can find it somewhere.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on October 22, 2022, 07:18:32 PM
Speaking of fossils, let us not forget the very Father of Modernism, Teilhard de Chardin.

de Chardin conspired with a Charles Dawson to fabricate the Piltdown Man hoax to bolster evolution ... something now universally recognized not only as wrong, but as having been a DELIBERATE HOAX.

de Chardin largely started the assault on Sacred Scripture.

At one point, the Kolbe Institute put together a disturbing account of some vision/encounter de Chardin had that set him on his path to destroy the Faith.  It was clearly a diabolical vision.  I'll see if I can find it somewhere.

https://www.kolbecenter.org/teilhard-de-chardin-false-prophet-of-a-new-christianity/

 (https://www.kolbecenter.org/teilhard-de-chardin-false-prophet-of-a-new-christianity/)Indeed, less than two years after the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, when the three child-seers had had their last public encounter with the Queen of Prophets, Teilhard de Chardin, the future prophet of a “new Christianity” centered on evolution, had a pivotal, life-changing mystical encounter with what he later called “the Thing.”  Describing his experience in the third person, Chardin wrote that:

the Thing swooped down. . . Then, suddenly, a breath of scorching air passed his forehead, broke through the barrier of his closed eyelids, and penetrated his soul.  The man felt he was ceasing to be merely himself; an irresistible rapture took possession of him as though all the sap of all living things, flowing at one and the same moment into the too narrow confines of his heart, was mightily refashioning the enfeebled fibers of his being . . . And at the same time the anguish of some superhuman peril oppressed him, a confused feeling that the force which had swept down up him was equivocal, turbid, the combined essence of evil and goodness . . .

“You called me here: here I am” [said “the Thing”].  “Grown weary of abstractions, of attenuations, of the wordiness of social life, you wanted to pit yourself against Reality entire and untamed . . . I was waiting for you in order to be made holy.  And now I am established on you for life, or for death . . . He who has once seen me can never forget me: he must either damn himself with me or save me with himself.”[1] (https://www.kolbecenter.org/teilhard-de-chardin-false-prophet-of-a-new-christianity/#_edn1)
(https://i0.wp.com/www.kolbecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/002_Teilhard_de_Chardin.jpg?resize=239%2C300) (https://i0.wp.com/www.kolbecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/002_Teilhard_de_Chardin.jpg)
In the light of these revelations, it is not surprising to learn that Teilhard held that even "evil spiritual powers" are the "living instruments" of Christ[2] (https://www.kolbecenter.org/teilhard-de-chardin-false-prophet-of-a-new-christianity/#_edn2)  In the decades that followed, in his work as a paleontologist and theologian, Teilhard opposed every tenet of the traditional Catholic doctrine of creation with a new tenet of a new evolutionary creed.

Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on November 03, 2022, 08:12:42 PM
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Fatima, July 13th, 1917

The Blessed Virgin opened her hands like in the preceding months. The ray of projected light seemed to penetrate the ground and we saw like a great sea of fire.

In it the devils were plunged with souls resembling transparent and black or tanned embers in human form.
They were floating in the conflagration, carried by flames coming from all sides, like sparks of great fires, without weight nor balance, in the midst of horrible cries and horrible shoutings of pain and despair, which made us shiver and tremble with horror. […]
The devils were distinguished by horrible and repugnant forms of hideous and unknown beasts, like black embers, both ablaze and transparent.

That vision lasted only one instant, and we must thank our Mother of Heaven who had prepared us in advance, promising us to take us with Her in Heaven; otherwise we would have died of terror and fright.

“A reading and deep reflection of the book Eternal Hell by Fr. Chazal has the power to enlighten minds and transform souls with the same holy efficacy of an Ignatian Retreat.  Yes, it contains that much worldly detoxification and spiritual rejuvenation, i.e., that many life-altering gems of Catholic truth, within its pages.  It’s a spiritual masterpiece we would want to place in the hands of as many Catholics and Christians that we can reach – especially those nearest and dearest to us.  There is no greater or more urgent work of mercy than to help redirect as many souls as we are able away from Hell and towards Heaven, with this potent new missionary tool.” –  Hugh Akins, Publisher

I just purchased this book and I can't say enough good about it.  (It is such a powerful soul saving work that I plan on ordering a few more copies.)  Fr. Chazal appears to have put a tremendous amount of hard work into composing this 353 page masterpiece.

Aside from its astounding and very moving content, one of the truly great and exceptional things about the book is that it carries absolutely no copyright.  In omitting to get a copyright perhaps Fr. Chazal had the indomitable Fr. Denis Fahey.  The Rev. Fahey purposely did not get a copyright so as to maximize the dissemination of his works.  It is said that he was also afraid of the copyrights being purchased by the enemies of Christ after his death for the purpose of then suppressing his works.

After having skimmed the book, I have no doubt that the devil would very much like to suppress Fr. Chazal's work.  As far as its actual printing and publication by Hugh Akins, the devil certainly appeared to be in the details as Hugh related to me that of all the books he has put into circulation over the years none have given him such incredible difficulties as this one.  So many things went wrong over and over again that there -- without exaggerating -- appeared to Hugh to be some degree of diabolic connection.






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Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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                            PREFACE

Dear Reader,

After this book on eternal death, I shall write another one on eternal
life called Eternal Crown, the two of which will be called Eternity, because
“man shall go into the house of his eternity” (Eccles. 12:5). “Before man is
life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him”
(Eccles. 15:18); “There is but one evil and one good in the world,” said St.
Francis Xavier. As we stand in time on the edge of eternity, “only one
thing is necessary” (Luke 10:42), eternal life.

But fear comes first. What is at hand is the eternal damnation of too
many souls, a fact Our Lady laments so much. And we, who think we
know beer, must always fear God, lest we cease to love Him, and lose
Him forever. at is why we shall consider rst the house of Hell in
three parts:

  I The first part commands the rest. Is there a hell or not? If there is
no hell, throw the book away, don’t waste your time, enjoy this
short life, everything is permitted.

  II But if the source of the dogma of Hell is serious, then you must
proceed to the second part and inquire how your soul, any soul,
will go to Hell and by what path.

  III  Then, thirdly, to avoid taking that path, it is vital to consider the
nature of Hell, as most of us Catholics know of its existence, but not
in its details: how unbearable, impossible to live with, impossible
to remedy is the evil of Hell, which, like sin, is the absolute and
ultimate evil.

Today, most people are chained up to computers and gadgets; they
don’t have the time to read St. Alphonsus, whom I have shamelessly
plundered, worse even than Dom Marechaux and Mgr. de Segur, and
others, I must confess! These magnificent books are less and less available.
Yet the maxims and examples contained in them are absolutely essential
and must still remain available, in a summarized way at least. And if
you have children, please read to them or let them read the many stories
contained in this book; they are not from me, they are safe for their soul.

Sinners are my first intended customers, to be sure, but even the better
Christians will benefit. “For he that feareth God, neglecteth nothing” (Ec-
cles. 7:19). One can always take one’s own salvation and one’s neighbor’s
salvation better at heart.

Read on, “Heaven is not made for the slothful” (St. Philip Neri); and
may Our Father deliver you from Hell, the infinite evil.

Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on November 08, 2022, 05:43:49 PM
                          FOREWORD

This book is very necessary for modern times. Men do not want God,
they don’t believe in sin as a consequence and they do not want a Hell
to exist.

Yet God was good enough to create the whole universe for souls to
share His eternal and infinite happiness, but He is not silly. He gave us
free will because He doesn’t want robots in His Paradise; but that same
free will carries the danger that men refuse His Paradise. In this case,
their refusal of His great love as Creator of the Universe, who particularly
bends over every man to save him, deserves a proportional chastisement;
and this is Hell.

Father Chazal, by his own admission, has plundered with both hands
the great works of the past of Mgr. de Segur and St. Alphonse of Liguori,
proting with them from the wealth of awful past testimonies on the
existence and nature of a chastisement proportionate to the refusal of
Divine Love for us, human beings.

Dear reader, beware!... and thank God for putting in your hands a
book so precious for the salvation of souls. Indeed, it is said that “Hell is
the greatest of all missionaries.” Do beg of God the necessary graces to
understand that.

✠ Richard Williamson
Morannes, June 25th 2022
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Post by: Charity on November 08, 2022, 06:06:11 PM
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Introduction -- How Immense and Greater the Number of those Who Fall in Hell 1 2
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Denied

The World’s Immense Denial, Condemnation and Scorn of the Belief in Hell 2 14

Distorted notions of those few who still admit that Hell exists 3 20

Collaboration of clerics by silence and denial 4 26

Burial of Hell in the spirit of man by vain distractions and pursuits 5 32

The Devil, chief organizer of the oblivion of Hell 6 36
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Affirmed

By the good

Christ 7 43

Tradition 8 48

Scripture 9 58

Church and Saints 10 69

By the bad Devil himself, surprisingly 11 75

Many damned themselves 12 79
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Occasional Satan is no cause of our Hell, while Hell was for him alone 13 86

Per se cause: God put things where they belong. “Est est, Non non” 14 92

Divine Justice 1 Mortal Sin = Eternal Hell (no sin, no Hell) 15 99

Particular

Occasional
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Positive cause:
Means of Perdition

The flesh 16 110
The world and its three concupiscences 17 116
The Devil and his Gates of Hell 18 127

Negative cause: Failure to
use the means of Salvation

Doctrine and humility 19 148
Prayer and penance 20 157
Holy Eucharist and Our Lady 21 168

Per se:
Malice of soul

Conversion to creatures causing inside, outside pain 22 180
Departure from God, through lack of prayer especially: 23 180
Ingratitude, presumption, contempt 24 187
Final impenitence 25 194
Bad death 26 199

Both G & P Effective Judgment 27 207
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Corporeal

Definite place locations, states and position 28 221

Definite, mysterious but real, dark re 29 226

Fills all senses perfectly and simultaneously: Horrible tears and thirst. 30 235

Spiritual

Eternity e will cannot change and God will not reverse it 31 246 No change to greater or lesser intensity 32 255
Remorse

All in Hell chose, and knew they were going to Hell 33 261

All in Hell were given sufficient grace, yet in different quantity 34 269

Lack of prayer is the most acute remorse 35 275

Crushing shame 36 280

Result: Intense hatred of self and desire to cease to exist 37 286

Loss of God

Makes all other suffering fall into insignificance 38 291

Varies strictly according to the measure of sin 39 300

Result: Intense hatred of God and His creatures 40 307

Conclusion: “Divine Love is stronger than death and harder than Hell”

Appendix A: The Vision of St Theresa
Appendix B: To Hell and Back — The Visions of Dom Bosco
Appendix C: The Story of Annette
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Post by: Charity on November 08, 2022, 06:15:22 PM
List of Examples

1  Death of General V. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11

2  Death of Voltaire . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17

3  Death of Robespierre . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24

4  Death of Raymond Diocres . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31

5  Death of Collot d’Herbois . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35

6  Death of Antiochus Epiphanes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41

7  Death of Hunerick, King of the Vandals . . . . . . . . . 47

8  Death of Zeno, Emperor of Constantinople . . . . . . . 57

9  Death of Diderot . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67

10  Death of the Dutch Printer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73

11  Death of the Rich Man Crisorius . . . . . . . . . . . . . 77

12  Death of the Comedian of Palermo . . . . . . . . . . . . 83

13  Death of Emperor Valentinian I . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 90

14  Death of King Lothar II . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 97

15  Death of Redbad, King of Frisia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 109

16  Sinner of Naples . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 114

17  Leipzig Horsetrader . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 126

18 Cut in Half . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 147

19 “Nobody Knows, Nobody Believes” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 155

20 Anko-Anko, Peru . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 167

21 Two Belgian Libertines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 173

22 Imprudent and Obstinate Mother . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 179

23  Glutton of Cuneo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 186

24 Saint Francis Borgia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 192

25 Notre-Dame de l’Osier . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 197

26 Mount Hiboc Hiboc . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 204

27  Martinique Eruption of 1902 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 214

28 Demonic Poem . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225

29 Four Witty Priests . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 232

30 Trithelmus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 241

31 “How Do You Know?” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 253

32 Versailles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 260

33 Mysterious Grumpy Boy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 268

34  Complicated Case of Fr. Pallota . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 273

35  Death of Louis XV . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 279

36 “Where Are You Now?” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 285

37  Lady With the Golden Bracelet . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 289

38 Mother Mariana of Quito . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 298

39 Parisian Synod . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 306

40 The Three Merchants of Gubbio . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 312
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Post by: Charity on November 08, 2022, 06:32:24 PM
“A reading and deep reflection of the book Eternal Hell by Fr. Chazal has the power to enlighten minds and
transform souls with the same holy efficacy of an Ignatian Retreat. Yes, it contains that much worldly detoxification
and spiritual rejuvenation, i.e., that many life-altering gems of Catholic truth, within its pages. It’s a spiritual
masterpiece we would want to place in the hands of as many Catholics and Christians that we can reach – especially
those nearest and dearest to us. There is no greater or more urgent work of mercy than to help redirect as many souls
as we are able away from Hell and towards Heaven, with this potent new missionary tool.” – Hugh Akins, Publisher

Select Excerpts from Eternal Hell
by Fr. Francois Chazal, MCSPX

“It is appointed for all men to die once, and after this, the judgement” (Heb. 9:27)… “By what man has sinned, so shall he be
punished” (Wis. 11:17)… “He will come in love to the good, and in terror to the wicked,” says St. Augustine.

Very few Christians are saved, because they are very few who sincerely renounce the world… Among so many people who profess
the Christian faith, one finds only a few with a true faith, and who are found worthy of beatitude… The man who had more
knowledge in his lifetime suffers more severely [in the hereafter] than the one who knew less. If one has sinned through malice, he
suffers more cruelly than if it had been through weakness. But nobody suffers more than he has deserved.

Catholics suffer a lot more in Hell than non-Catholics [to whom the greater grace is offered, the greater the torment to those who
reject – or who fail to live according to – that greater grace]…

Despite the small number of the elect, the Church teaches that there is a secure foundation of hope for any sinner to be saved if he
so wants, because “God wills all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.”

Salvation…is conditioned by our service to God. This service consists in good works, which in turn are conditioned by the grace to
perform them, which grace is obtained by prayer. “When the Son of Man shall return, He shall give to every man according to His
works.”

“The Devil is coming down on you with a great wrath, because he knows he has little time left” (Apooc. 12:12)…The problem is that
if you do not resist now, the Devil gains ground and further erodes your resistance.

The Devil did not create Hell, even if Hell was created for him, but something he did create are the Gates of Hell… The latest gate of
Hell, Vatican II, was long in the making, and enjoyed at least two centuries of preparation (read the decrees of Pistoia, the
“Profession de foi” of Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and the docuмents of the “Alta Vendita” Masonic Lodge and The Protocols of the
Learned Elders of Zion).

For my [Fr. Chazal] part, being a priest for 25 years, all the people I’ve seen dying so far, died like they lived. When I told the relatives what a beautiful death this man had, they always replied to me, “indeed, Father, he was a very good man, he loved Our Lord and Our Lady.”  But when a man has been indifferent all his life [mediocre in faith and devotion, materialistic and worldly, devoid of sufficient good
works], whenever I told him to get ready and have contrition for the sins of his life, it was like he did not know what I was talking
about.

“If you do not work ardently at your salvation, if you do not do more than the common of men, you will not receive everlasting
reward” – St. Thomas Villanueva

“I do not believe that many priests are saved; I believe the contrary, that the number of those who are damned is greater” – St. John
Chrysostom

In her last confidence with Fr. Fuentes…Lucy of Fatima describes that the only thing the Devil cares about is the loss of souls, and
that his final battle is against consecrated souls, so that the way is then free for the perdition of a defenseless people.
With Vatican II, hundreds of thousands of priests left the priesthood, but even more of them rotted, losing the sense of their
mission… The problem for us clerics is that, if Hell is real, we have to get to work and consider our entire life, day after day, as a
rescue mission of souls in imminent peril of eternal death… Popular parlance has it that “Hell is paved with the skull of bishops,”
because of their responsibility in the damnation of so many others.

The problem with easy preachers [neglectful of preaching as if they were ordained emissaries of the Church Militant] is that the Cure
d’ Ars is the model of parish priests, especially in his sermons. The Church doesn’t want beautiful sermons; she wants sermons to
the point of eternal life and death: sin, justice, judgement, good and evil exactly as Our Lord indicated.

Sinful priests are worse than heretics, says St. Bernard; they put sin in a high place… “Such priests are not My priests, but they are
real traitors” (Rev. 1:47)… St. Vincent Ferrer admonishes: Theirs [sacrilegious priests] is “a greater sin than throwing the Blessed
Sacrament in a sewer.”

In order to lure souls into Hell, what better way than to take on God’s Justice which is the cause of Hell’s existence, and Divine
Mercy, which is what prevents souls from going to Hell… Modern man, and the Novus Ordo Church by extension, sweeps Divine
Justice under the carpet, only to keep and misrepresent Divine Mercy as something that excludes the damnation of any man. Thus,
people are encouraged to stay exactly as they are; sins have no consequences since there will always be a God to forgive them… The
Divine Mercy of Sr. Faustina has become a mainstay of Novus Ordo devotions…and fits perfectly the [deadly] false theory of
“universal salvation.”

As Divine Mercy is God’s highest attribute, Lucifer is very eager to deform it, separate it from Justice and use it as an instrument to
set sinners on the path to perdition in the name of mercy… The mercy of God sends more sinners to Hell than His Justice… When the
sinner exhausts the mercy that God has allotted him, He punishes, and the more He was merciful, the more severe the punishment.
It is like the magnetic pressure under a volcano…the more you wait, the bigger will be the explosion.

He who despairs, despises the Mercy of God, believing that his sins are greater than Divine Mercy. If he truly had sorrow for having
offended God, he would hope in His Mercy, and he would realize that this Mercy is infinitely greater than any sins any creature could
ever commit. To despair is to sin against the Holy Ghost…the most grievous of all grievous sins.

God easily finds excuses to spare His creatures, and He created Our Lady to populate Heaven with people who otherwise stood no
chance of saving themselves.

At the explicit request of Our Lady, the Church also included the “Fatima Prayer,” following each decade of the Rosary. It states: “O
my Jesus…save us from the fires of Hell,” and did not much agree with Pope John Paul II’s [heretical] doctrine of universal salvation
[i.e., all are saved].

“No army on earth fears so much the enemy than the spirits of Hell fear the name of Mary,” said St. Germanus. What Lucifer is to
Hell [loss of God], Our Lady is to Heaven [possession of God]. A creature placed at the summit.

Our Lord died on His Cross to pay our debt, but also preventively, to show us that sin is murder, deicide to be precise.

Carefully explain many of the Devil’s traps, I saw that each bore an inscription: Pride, Disobedience, Envy, Impurity, Theft, Gluttony,
Sloth, Anger, and so on… Bad companions, bad books, and bad habits are mainly responsible for so many eternally lost… as too
idleness…

Mammon [is] one of the most powerful Lords of Hell. Its other name is greed, avarice, from the glittering splendor of some works of
the hand of man, to insignificant amounts of money…greed over accuмulates in retention; it prevents the heart from melting at the
sight of the misery of others… Some are so attached to material possessions that their love of God is lessened. Thus they sin against
charity, piety and meekness. Even the desire of riches can corrupt the heart, especially if such a desire leads to injustice… This is a
sure way to Hell.

How foolish of Elon Musk planning to connect brains to robots to extend human life, as if the progress of medicine did not show us
how miserably and inevitably the human brain decays.

Against prayer, the world is powerless…The world is full of evil, but “by prayer is obtained the gain of every good and the liberation
from every evil”…When he saw a Rosary, Padre Pio called it “The Weapon.” “He who uses this great weapon…knows not death,
leaves the earth, enters Heaven, and Lives with God.”

When souls live in the habit of mortal sin, the demons enter in them, and dominate them in several ways that vary according to the
quantity of their crimes…Most sinners make work easy for the Devil, says St. Theresa…”When a man abandons meditation, the Devil
has no need of carrying him to Hell, for he throws himself into it.”

Says the Cure d’ Ars: “My children, I think often that the greater number of Christians that damn themselves, do so by lack of
religious instructions…Religion is not properly understood. We affirm that the great part of those who are condemned to everlasting
torments, owe this irreparable misfortune to the ignorance of the Mysteries of the Faith that must necessarily be known and
believed to be admitted to the number of the elects.”

“God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble” (James 4:6). Says the Cure d’ Ars: “When He describes the proud prayer of
the Pharisee, Our Lord concludes he went away with nothing, because pride occupies the soul and leaves no space for grace. Pride,
likewise, guarantees that prayer, alms, fastings and good works will not get rewarded in the next life.” The toll of pride is heavy;
heavier and heavier…pride is Hell!

“If you consider the sacrament of penance,” says St. Leonard, “there are so many distorted confessions, so many studied excuses, so
many deceitful repentances, so many false promises, so many ineffective resolutions, so many invalid absolutions! Would you
regard as valid the confession of someone who accuses himself of sins of impurity and still holds to the occasion of them?”
More than confession, which heals the patient, the Eucharist is the preventative medicine par excellence; it blows up the access
bridges to mortal sin. Received properly, it makes the heart of man impossible to conquer by Satan: “It makes us flaming lions,” says
Chrysostom; “It burns sins, and illuminates our hearts as to inflame and divinize us by the participation to divine fire,” says St. John
Damascene.

The Novus Ordo Church presses indifference by securing at least a lukewarm reception to Holy Communion. This is done by
discouraging daily Mass, and by removing manifestations of adoration, such as Benedictions of the Blessed Sacrament, 40 Hours
Eucharistic Devotions, all abolished under Vatican II, and by removing genuflections at the requests of Protestants in the New Mass,
with all other manifestations of respect and love Catholics used to have. This culminates into allowing non-Catholics to approach
the Sacrament, in virtual of the so-called “Eucharistic hospitality,” and into allowing unconsecrated hands to handle the Sacrament,
leading to an infinite number of profanations.

The greatest punishment of sin is that it spirals into other sins, further engrossing the soul. For greed, St. Augustine says, “the
possession of great wealth does not end there, but rather extends the jaws of avarice.” For lust, St. Alphonsus asserts, “the more
the unchaste man wallows in the mire of impurity, the greater is his disgust, and, at the same time, his desire for such beastly
pleasure.” And for ambition the latter takes the example of Alexander, who wept because the rest of the kingdoms of the earth
were not under his dominion. He concludes: “If worldly goods would content the human heart, the rich and the monarchs of the
earth would enjoy complete happiness; but experience shows the contrary.”

The greatest danger of sin is that it lies: “Iniquity lies to itself;” it plunges man into the evil of guilt and blinds the soul until it finds
itself plunged in Hell. This hellish delusion is called presumption. “The Devil deludes man in two ways: by despair and by [false]
hope,” says St. Augustine.

“There is nothing easier in this world for a man than to pray, and it is precisely upon prayer that everyone’s salvation depends.”
The moment of our death, like the end of the world, has been kept secret from us, precisely to ensure good resolve every day;
otherwise, we would only repent at the gates of death and not before, which in fact means we would not repent at all. “The last day
is hidden so that all days may be carefully spent,” St. Augustine tells us.

We must take due note that the remedy to Hell is anther fire, that which proceeds from the admirable Heart of Mary. It is at this
moment of crisis in humanity, when so many are lost, that God is revealing to us His creates creation, Our Lady… There is no need
for us to despair in any way. Like a leashed dog, Hell can only hurt us if we are in its perimeter, and only for fear of entering this
perimeter must we know how bad Hell is. Therefore, we must stay in Her Heart, and fear nothing but to be away from its
protection. Fatima, unfulfilled as it is, shows what terrible price man has to pay if he refuses to be in compliance with the one God
has chosen to elevate [the Blessed Virgin Mary]…

If we determine to love Our Lord properly, invited as we are by Our lady to do penance for sinners…the early dynamic of the [infant]
Church will be restored, and an amazing triumph of Heaven over Hell is at hand.

Eternal Hell
by Fr. Francois Chazal, MCSPX

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Post by: Meg on November 08, 2022, 07:47:33 PM
"Eternal Hell" looks like a very good and useful book. I'll order it. 
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: B from A on November 08, 2022, 08:01:42 PM
Charity, thank you for all your posts above.  
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Post by: Ladislaus on November 08, 2022, 09:41:18 PM
List of Examples

1  Death of General V. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11

2  Death of Voltaire . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17

3  Death of Robespierre . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24

4  Death of Raymond Diocres . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31

5  Death of Collot d’Herbois . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 35

6  Death of Antiochus Epiphanes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41

7  Death of Hunerick, King of the Vandals . . . . . . . . . 47

8  Death of Zeno, Emperor of Constantinople . . . . . . . 57

9  Death of Diderot . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67

10  Death of the Dutch Printer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 73

11  Death of the Rich Man Crisorius . . . . . . . . . . . . . 77

12  Death of the Comedian of Palermo . . . . . . . . . . . . 83

13  Death of Emperor Valentinian I . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 90

14  Death of King Lothar II . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 97

15  Death of Redbad, King of Frisia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 109

16  Sinner of Naples . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 114

17  Leipzig Horsetrader . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 126

18 Cut in Half . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 147

19 “Nobody Knows, Nobody Believes” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 155

20 Anko-Anko, Peru . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 167

21 Two Belgian Libertines . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 173

22 Imprudent and Obstinate Mother . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 179

23  Glutton of Cuneo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 186

24 Saint Francis Borgia . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 192

25 Notre-Dame de l’Osier . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 197

26 Mount Hiboc Hiboc . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 204

27  Martinique Eruption of 1902 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 214

28 Demonic Poem . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 225

29 Four Witty Priests . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 232

30 Trithelmus . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 241

31 “How Do You Know?” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 253

32 Versailles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 260

33 Mysterious Grumpy Boy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 268

34  Complicated Case of Fr. Pallota . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 273

35  Death of Louis XV . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 279

36 “Where Are You Now?” . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 285

37  Lady With the Golden Bracelet . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 289

38 Mother Mariana of Quito . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 298

39 Parisian Synod . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 306

40 The Three Merchants of Gubbio . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 312

This looks great!  I of course heard about the death of Voltaire (which was terrifying), but the rest of these I am unacquainted with.
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Post by: Ladislaus on November 08, 2022, 09:45:08 PM
Is there an electronic (PDF?) copy of this book available?
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Post by: Charity on November 10, 2022, 08:22:20 PM
The horror!  A few sample pages.
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Post by: Ladislaus on November 10, 2022, 10:15:53 PM
I just wish Father had published a PDF (or other electornic) edition of the book to purchase and download.  I can't find one.
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Post by: Charity on November 11, 2022, 12:08:10 AM
I just wish Father had published a PDF (or other electornic) edition of the book to purchase and download.  I can't find one.
Hope folks can spend a little bit extra to help a most worthy and long standing traditional Catholic Apostolate headed up by Hugh Akins, the publisher of Eternal Hell by Fr. Chazal by buying the regular print edition.

 And IF you can -- be sure to send a few bucks or more to Fr. Chazal who continues to valiantly fight the good fight in the Philippines where the American dollar tends to go a lot further than in the U.S.  His contact info is as follows:
E-mail : MarianCorpsInformation@gmail.com

Facebook : www.facebook.com/MarianCorpsOfSt.PiusX
Tel. : +63 9991680637
Messenger : olhcccebu.mcspx

The following message is seen on the home page of Mr. Akins' website (https://ca-rc.com/ (https://ca-rc.com/)):


Message From Hugh Akins

Dear Friends, please be advised that none of the titles we publish are offered as pdf e-books. We publish hard-copy print editions only, not electronic ones. And yet we have become aware that there are a number of online entities that are selling our books in pdf electronic format. Let it be known they have NOT been authorized to do so; they are selling our books WITHOUT our permission; in other words, they are STEALING from us, appropriating profits they have no moral or legal right to, in flagrant violation of God’s 7th commandment forbidding theft.

Although Catholic Action Resource Center is predominantly a lay apostolate rather than a profit-based business, the laborious and time-consuming work of researching, writing, editing, formatting, designing, publishing, marketing, packaging, and shipping Catholic books is still our livelihood. It is how we make our living, feed our family, pay our bills – in a word, how we survive, materially speaking. Certainly it is a labor of love before all else, and yet it is no less necessary to be able to cover basic expenses, at the very least. Making things more difficult (we aren’t complaining, mind you), a large part of what we publish is without any financial return whatsoever, such as the 7-volumes of Bishop Williamson’s Rector’s Letters and Eleison Comments’ series. Added to this, there are literally hundreds of books going to needy prison inmates each year, 99% of whom are unable to pay (one single Douay-Rheims Bible alone costs more than $60. In all this, we cover the full costs from our meager income). It goes without saying, then, that without the modest revenue generated from the small number of books that we do profit from (as well as from the generous donations of supporters that recognize the importance of our work), we would not be able to keep this faith-mission going.

Illicit pdf selling of our books could well force us to close up shop.

Therefore, we are asking all our friends not to patronize or in any other way encourage this criminal activity by obtaining, or directing others to obtain, any of these unauthorized e-books from such shady online sources.

Thank you!


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Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2022, 12:47:20 AM
Hope folks can spend a little bit extra to help a most worthy and long standing traditional Catholic Apostolate headed up by Hugh Akins, the publisher of Eternal Hell by Fr. Chazal by buying the regular print edition.

Uhm, no.  it is not my intent to steal.  I'd rather have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc.  And it's not about saving monney.  I'd be willing to pay the same price as for the Print Edition.  I don't appreciate the condescending insinuation.

Why is Hugh Akins trying to cash in on Father Chazal's work anyway?  If I were Father and wanted this book to have great reach, I would publish it in PDF for free and then put in a request for a $10 donation for anyone who reads the book and finds it to have been of value.
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Post by: Charity on November 11, 2022, 02:29:04 AM
Uhm, no.  it is not my intent to steal.  I'd rather have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc.  And it's not about saving monney.  I'd be willing to pay the same price as for the Print Edition.  I don't appreciate the condescending insinuation.

Why is Hugh Akins trying to cash in on Father Chazal's work anyway?  If I were Father and wanted this book to have great reach, I would publish it in PDF for free and then put in a request for a $10 donation for anyone who reads the book and finds it to have been of value.

Please don't read what isn't there.  No one said, implied, or insinuated that it was your intent to steal!  And no one is questioning your legitimate preference to "have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc."

I find it amazing, however, that you would accuse Mr. Akins, a very decent -- some would say heroic -- and hard working traditional Catholic of in your words "trying to cash in on Father's Chazal's work."   The incredible amount of work and out of pocket expenses Mr. Akins went through in getting Father's  very rough transcript into print are relatively mind boggling and the chances of him breaking even, let alone "cashing in" appear dim at best.  The books he prints up and doesn't manage to sell just sit around as dead inventory.   

As for Fr. Chazal's writings, as has been stated before, they are not even copyrighted.  Anyone is legally free to copy them and sell them for their own personal profit.  Nothing in Mr. Akins' message on his website states or implies otherwise, although if one were to copy and sell them sending Mr. Akins an appropriate donation would certainly seem like the right thing to do in all Christian charity.

Fr. Chazal and Mr. Akins have had a very cordial, trusting, working relationship/friendship of many years.  That said, I can appreciate your constructive suggestion for Fr. Chazal publishing his work in PDF,  etc.  I believe your suggestion is sincere and well intended.  I hope that you convey it directly to Fr. Chazal who I think may be well receptive to it.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2022, 02:32:32 AM
Please don't read what isn't there.  No one said, implied, or insinuated that it was your intent to steal!  And no one is questioning your legitimate preference to "have an electronic copy for portability and also to be able to search the text, to get it right away, etc."

Alright, but your response to my query about the availability of an electronic (typically PDF) copy was to post a long rant from Mr. Akins about defrauding him through PDFs.  Not sure how I was to take your post.

You simply could have stated, "There's no PDF or other electronic version of the book available at this time."  That would have sufficed.

And how exactly would Mr. Akins be defrauded if Father Chazal has stated that there's no copyright?  So how is his rant about laying claim to his intellectual property consistent with this publication relevant to my query, since it's not copyrighted?

Either his rant was unrelated to Father Chazal's book (in which case it's entirely irrelevant) or else it was his attempting to seize the IP of Father Chazal's book and profit off it exclusively when Father Chazal has (reportedly) put no such restrictions on it.

From your post:
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Dear Friends, please be advised that none of the titles we publish are offered as pdf e-books. We publish hard-copy print editions only, not electronic ones. And yet we have become aware that there are a number of online entities that are selling our books in pdf electronic format. Let it be known they have NOT been authorized to do so; they are selling our books WITHOUT our permission; in other words, they are STEALING from us, appropriating profits they have no moral or legal right to, in flagrant violation of God’s 7th commandment forbidding theft.

So he states that "none" of the books he publishes (he's publishing Father Chazal's book) are available as PDFs because that would constitute "stealing" from him.  Well, how is it stealing form him if Father Chazal owns/controls the rights to the book and he has stated that there's no copyright on it.  Either there is or there isn't.  Either it's stealing from Akins or it's not.  Which one is it?  He appears to be trying to corner the market on a book that Father Chazal has control over.  None of this makes sense.  I suppose that if some work went into preparing the printed edition, if someone then tried to convert his printed edition into a PDF, that would be one thing.  But if there were a PDF out there that came from Father Chazal's sources, that would in no way be stealing from HIM.  It was Father Chazal who put 99% of the work into the book, nor Mr. Akins.  I could take a source PDF and touch it up and send it in to a printing company within a few days.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: ServusInutilisDomini on November 11, 2022, 03:41:10 AM
I just wish Father had published a PDF (or other electornic) edition of the book to purchase and download.  I can't find one.
Yeah, no reading outside the US...
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on November 11, 2022, 07:37:53 PM
Setting aside my personal preference for hard copy books, I sent an email today to Mr. Hugh Akins with a copy to Fr. Chazal, in which I strongly implored him to "revisit" the question of E-Book publication.  I expressed my belief that in today's day and age, in order to achieve an exponentially greater dissemination of much needed traditional Catholic literature, it is absolutely essential that E-Book publication be an integral part of the equation.

cf: https://www.blueleaf-book-scanning.com/book_scanning_service_order.html (https://www.blueleaf-book-scanning.com/book_scanning_service_order.html)

https://www.microsystems.com.au/book-scanning-what-does-it-cost/ (https://www.microsystems.com.au/book-scanning-what-does-it-cost/)

 https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-digitize-a-printed-book (https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-digitize-a-printed-book)

,ttps://kitaboo.com/switching-epublishing-from-traditional-books/ (https://kitaboo.com/switching-epublishing-from-traditional-books/)


Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on November 11, 2022, 08:55:12 PM
Setting aside my personal preference for hard copy books, I sent an email today to Mr. Hugh Akins with a copy to Fr. Chazal, in which I strongly implored him to "revisit" the question of E-Book publication.  I expressed my belief that in today's day and age, in order to achieve an exponentially greater dissemination of much needed traditional Catholic literature, it is absolutely essential that E-Book publication be an integral part of the equation.

cf: https://www.blueleaf-book-scanning.com/book_scanning_service_order.html (https://www.blueleaf-book-scanning.com/book_scanning_service_order.html)

https://www.microsystems.com.au/book-scanning-what-does-it-cost/ (https://www.microsystems.com.au/book-scanning-what-does-it-cost/)

 https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-digitize-a-printed-book (https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-digitize-a-printed-book)

,ttps://kitaboo.com/switching-epublishing-from-traditional-books/ (https://kitaboo.com/switching-epublishing-from-traditional-books/)

Thank you.  I agree.  In this day and age, however, I would be surprised if there isn't an electronic version out there somewhere.

Did Father write this book with pencil and paper?  I would bet that he used some kind of Word Processing software.  So there would seem to be no need to covert the book back from the physical copy into an electronic.

Very few printers sit there these days and typeset the book using those little metal letters they used to use, right?  They take an electronic version and send that to the printer.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on November 11, 2022, 10:15:18 PM
Did Father write this book with pencil and paper?
If I recall correctly, Akins said it was a rough hand written composition and he, Atkins, had great difficulties in getting it all put together properly.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on November 14, 2022, 07:31:54 PM


Did Father write this book with pencil and paper?


I just found out from Mr. Akins that Father sent it to him electronically. 

 I also just found out from Fr. Chazal that Resistance priest Fr. Valan D. Rajkumar put out 2,000 copies of the book (see attachment below) and that a certain Mr. Loeman put out another batch for Australia.  Also, Fr. Chazal let me know that a french translation of the work is already half done.

Below is an old video of Fr. Valan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPkrTPzu2EY&list=PLy6oYOeZMk2jaN8aEdIuCyjHCbwegxvbH&index=2

 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPkrTPzu2EY&list=PLy6oYOeZMk2jaN8aEdIuCyjHCbwegxvbH&index=2)
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Meg on November 14, 2022, 07:45:01 PM
My copy of "Eternal Hell" arrived in the mail today. That was quick service.

I don't understand why anyone would think that it's so terrible to read an actual book made of paper. Unless one is disabled, and hasn't the use of their hands to hold a book, or something like that. Books are really quite traditional - they've been around for a long time. Hopefully, they'll be around for awhile longer.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on November 25, 2022, 06:03:20 PM
Chapter 5 of 40 chapters from Eternal Hell by the Reverend Father Francois Chazal, MCSPX:

Burial of Hell Into Oblivion

Man has been created to know, love and serve God. The failure of doing
so permanently is called damnation, the failure of doing so in this life is
called sin. Most people are not that bad as to hate God in this world, and
most do not commit heinous mortal sins, but their loss came from the
lack of consideration of eternal things.

Today’s world is especially dangerous in that respect, with the advent
of new means of capturing the mind of men in general, and the electronic
cage in particular.

The hymn of Vespers says it all: “Dum nil perenne cogitat sese culpis
illigat,” “As he perpetually thinks about nothing, he ties himself with
sins.” Most don’t think in their heart, and break the rst commandment
imperceptibly because the rst commandment requires to love God with
one’s whole mind, soul, heart and strength. People like God for the most
part, but that is not at all what He is asking, or demanding of us. People
“luv” God, says a well-known bishop, they don’t LOVE Him.

Warner & Bros., in order to cater to the American Catholic public in
the 1950’s, came with a nice rendition of Fatima: the children played
very well, the depiction of the Masonic government trying to counter
the spread of the phenomena and trying to persecute the seers, is well
done. e nerdy local priest, the inept bishop, are well described. Even
keeping Our Lady in a haze, was the right decision. All went well then?
No! e vision of Hell, which is the rst and most important message of
Fatima is missing in the movie. It seems that the Devil wouldn’t mind
having Russia mentioned by Our Blessed Mother, but what Warner and
all the yist priests and laymen of that time will not countenance is
the severe and terrible warning about Hell. is, you can say, is a typical
betrayal of souls, who will not hear what they need to hear from Our
Blessed Mother.

The problem is that after death, everyone will be alone with only God
and himself facing each other. Only then does the soul realize totally

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that He is his only life, his only light, his only happiness, in short his All.
St. Francis, the whole night long, night after night, could not sleep but
would say over and over again: “My God and my All!” By the end of his
life, he was quite ready... but now, men today don’t have any time to
tell God that they love Him, or it burdens them to say so enough times.

A World Geared Against Contemplation

The fabric of our present world says Bernanos, is the destruction of
contemplation.

It is a lot more eective to destroy man’s sense of contemplation of
eternity, than even to deny and brush Hell aside. Never before have we
seen the mind of man more absorbed by such an organized hallucination
of the senses, a well-planned organization, and a serious and massive
entertainment operation. e objective is simple: If man uses his intellect,
that will be to establish a bigger man-made paradise and diversion from
Eternity.

People can go to Disneyland and get a total immersion in a fabricated
paradise, or go to Phuket Island if they so desire; they can put on the
gear of virtual reality on their eyes and ears, or live like the Hikkiko-
moris, entirely enclosed into a virtual world, the Metaverse. For the
most a 72’ high-def convex plasma screen, combined with a massively
powerful gaming console will do. These are the successors of the colossal
entertainment institutions of the Roman Empire. Their main circus was
indeed called the Colosseum, not just because of the colossus of Nero
nearby, but because the building was, and still is actually huge. It is a pity
that so little remains of the Circus Maximus near the Palatine because
its capacity was 280,000 spectators. “We will keep you entertained,” we
will keep the bait until you are all in the net.

Global Ineptitude

Once the sense of man is emerged in horizontal earthly things, stupidity
is achieved at last, and the soul cannot catch any divine message: “The

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animal man does not perceive what belongs to the Spirit of God” (I Cor,
2:14), nay, he even desires what abstracts his mind from things above to
get a beer, deeper immersion in mud (2,2,46,ad2).

The final product is the lack of time devoted to prayer, the total lack of
orientation of the soul to Heaven. e avenues of fun are so diverse, many
sinful, and just as many seemingly innocent, like sports, games, races,
fashions, manias, modern music, fiestas, carnivals, always attended by
vast crowds, and now in some cases, billions of viewers. e big facilities
that used to exist in ancient time are now available, not just in an empire,
but in the whole world, even among nations who never used them. “Let
us build a city and a tower to celebrate our name,” says man in order
to forget God Who in turn observes, “What they have started, they will
never stop continuing it until it is complete.”

Interestingly, Isaiah does not blame Sodom for sodomy, but simply
for forgetting God altogether. Like Lot, it was lured by its prosperity
and abundance, like us today are lured by the massive ports, storage
facilities, logistic centers culminating in huge commercial complexes and
shopping malls. In Hong-Kong, Singapore and so many other places, you
can walk uninterruptedly among miles and miles of shops and galleries,
above ground and underground, all of them fully illuminated for the
‘Kwishmush’ season, that starts in September in the Philippines, (a poor
country hosting the largest shopping malls in the world).

Why on earth should one contemplate, and worse, meditate on Hell
amidst so many diversions? Babylon is truly great and prosperous. “Sedeo
Regina”: I seat as a queen, over all the people of the earth, I shall go from
prosperity to prosperity, good times to no end. It’s more by mercy than
justice that God decides to precipitate the succeeding Babylons “in one
hour,” all of a sudden, at different times of History.

To be sure, the Devil would prefer people to go to Hell by a greater
degree of malice, but for most, he must content himself with the simple
oblivion of God. “No deep-seated malice, but just defect of Heaven?”
“at will do,” says he.

Si quis ignorat, ignorabitur,” if you ignore God, He will ignore you,
and you will hear “In truth I say to thee, I know thee not.” If, as says Our

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Lord, “this is Eternal Life, that they may know Thee and the One thou has
sent,” Eternal Death is that they know Thee not. “That will do!”, says the
Prince of Darkness. “The way of the sinner is tenebrous, and they ignore
where they shall fall” (Prov. 4:19).

The Death of Collot d’Herbois

Collot d’Herbois is a well-known figure of the reign of Terror of the
French Revolution, going around France with a guillotine to cut the head
of anyone still believing or being suspected of believing in God. He was
particularly cruel against the city of Lyon, and openly confessed that
since men have no souls they can be killed like animals. And so he did
kill, by the thousands.

Accused as an accomplice of Robespierre, he was not executed with
him but sent to the tropical territory of Cayenne, in April 1795. As he
got there, loved neither by the white nor by the local blacks who called
him “bourreau des hommes et de la religion;” “executioner of men and
religion.” Seeing this he exclaimed: “I am punished! This abandonment
is Hell to me.”

Then his fever started. A mysterious re invaded all his members,
burning his whole body with unspeakable torments. A soldier asked
him why he was invoking the God he was mocking a few days before,
and he replied: “Ah, my friend, my mouth lied to my heart!” He was
crying constantly: “I am in Hell! I am in Hell!” For that reason, he was
sent to the most retired room of the hospital, but to no avail. To ease his
suffering, they tried to bury him to his neck in cool soil, only to find him
dead in that state.

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Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Ladislaus on November 26, 2022, 07:58:37 AM
Also, Fr. Chazal let me know that a french translation of the work is already half done.

It's curious / ironic that Fr. Chazal would write in English only to have it translated back into French.
Title: Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
Post by: Charity on November 26, 2022, 02:05:04 PM
It's curious / ironic that Fr. Chazal would write in English only to have it translated back into French.

Not really in so much as he presumably wanted to get an English edition out first to a bigger potential market.  In any event, feel free to inquire of him.  Fr. Chazal is Fr. Chazal. 

 I was very happy to read the first sentence of his preface to this book: "Dear Reader, after this book on eternal death, I shall write another one on eternal life called Eternal Crown, the two of which will be called Eternity, because "man shall go into the house of his eternity" (Eccles.12:5).