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Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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    Fatima, July 13th, 1917

    The Blessed Virgin opened her hands like in the preceding months. The ray of projected light seemed to penetrate the ground and we saw like a great sea of fire.

    In it the devils were plunged with souls resembling transparent and black or tanned embers in human form.
    They were floating in the conflagration, carried by flames coming from all sides, like sparks of great fires, without weight nor balance, in the midst of horrible cries and horrible shoutings of pain and despair, which made us shiver and tremble with horror. […]
    The devils were distinguished by horrible and repugnant forms of hideous and unknown beasts, like black embers, both ablaze and transparent.

    That vision lasted only one instant, and we must thank our Mother of Heaven who had prepared us in advance, promising us to take us with Her in Heaven; otherwise we would have died of terror and fright.

    “A reading and deep reflection of the book Eternal Hell by Fr. Chazal has the power to enlighten minds and transform souls with the same holy efficacy of an Ignatian Retreat.  Yes, it contains that much worldly detoxification and spiritual rejuvenation, i.e., that many life-altering gems of Catholic truth, within its pages.  It’s a spiritual masterpiece we would want to place in the hands of as many Catholics and Christians that we can reach – especially those nearest and dearest to us.  There is no greater or more urgent work of mercy than to help redirect as many souls as we are able away from Hell and towards Heaven, with this potent new missionary tool.” –  Hugh Akins, Publisher




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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #3 on: October 02, 2022, 10:16:27 AM »
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  • Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #4 on: October 02, 2022, 11:13:04 AM »
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  • Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.
    Yikes. Wouldn't have thought the SSPX is already at that stage...


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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #5 on: October 02, 2022, 11:23:39 AM »
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  • Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.
    Seems to me Fr. Chazal should not be advertising the personal info of his seminarians.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #6 on: October 02, 2022, 11:47:54 AM »
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  • Seems to me Fr. Chazal should not be advertising the personal info of his seminarians.

    What was so personal about what he said?  I should think it was probably already public knowledge by them.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #7 on: October 03, 2022, 12:36:42 AM »
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  • Interesting.  Father Chazal says he has a new seminarian from South Korea, who had been expelled from the SSPX for disagreeing with Father Paul Robinson's book.

    That video was from 2020, so it's not "new" information. What I heard from my sources rather, was that he was expelled for insisting geocentrism as dogma.


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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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  • That video was from 2020, so it's not "new" information. What I heard from my sources rather, was that he was expelled for insisting geocentrism as dogma.

    Well, the Holy Office considered it at least proximate to faith, and heliocentrism to be heresy.  Is Father Chazal a geo-centrist, and, if not, would this young man consider Father Chazal a heretic?

    I doubt that he was only concerned about the heliocentrism in Father Robison's book ... but more about Big Bang and evolution.

    This notion that he held geocentrism to be dogma is very likely a misunderstanding of holding that Father Robinson's book is heretical, and I would agree with that.  I'm guessing that your sources do not have the full story.

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #9 on: October 03, 2022, 09:39:33 AM »
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  •   Is Father Chazal a geo-centrist,
    Yes!

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
    « Reply #10 on: October 03, 2022, 10:46:03 AM »
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  • Well, the Holy Office considered it at least proximate to faith, and heliocentrism to be heresy.  Is Father Chazal a geo-centrist, and, if not, would this young man consider Father Chazal a heretic?

    I doubt that he was only concerned about the heliocentrism in Father Robison's book ... but more about Big Bang and evolution.

    This notion that he held geocentrism to be dogma is very likely a misunderstanding of holding that Father Robinson's book is heretical, and I would agree with that.  I'm guessing that your sources do not have the full story.
    Is heliocentrism still considered a heresy even before the Council?

    Is geocentrism an article of the faith? So any Catholic who accepts heliocentrism are no longer Catholics?

    From the apologetics work Radio Replies volume 4 (Vol 4 : 1,650 questions and answers on Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Paganism and Communism from the radio information session over the 13 years from 1941 to 1954.)

    459. Has the Copernican system been accepted by all astronomers?

    As opposed to the geocentric system of Ptolemy, Copernicus taught the heliocentric system, holding that the earth revolves around the sun. He arrived at that idea as a result of his studies of the movements of the sun and moon and planets which he undertook in the interests of reforming the calendar. And his conclusion has been accepted by all astronomers. No one today would dream of disputing it.

    Regarding the position of the SSPX on this topic, here is what I found:

    https://sspx.org/en/sspx-on-geocentrism-press-release-galileo-heliocentric-solar-system-bible-divino-afflatu-spiritu-providentissimus-deus


    The SSPX on geocentrism: press release

    What is the SSPX's position concerning the heliocentric and geocentric scientific theories of the solar system?

    PLATTE CITY, MO (8-30-2011) A recent news report implied that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X promotes the scientific theory of geocentrism as a Catholic teaching based upon the Bible. The SSPX holds no such position.

    The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics should not use Sacred Scripture to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. As a religious congregation of the Catholic Church, the SSPX holds to these principles and does not teach any solar scientific theory.




    The SSPX and the solar system

    As declared by Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus, science cannot contradict the Faith:

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    There can never… be any real discrepancy between the theologian and the physicist, as long as each confines himself within his own lines, and both are careful, as St. Augustine warns us, 'not to make rash assertions, or to assert what is not known as known.'"
     

    Even today, many commonly-held tenets of natural science are merely theories, not certainties. This is not the case with the Catholic Faith, which is a certainty.

    The Church’s magisterium authoritatively teaches on the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture. As Pope Pius XII taught in Divino Afflatu Spiritu:

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    The Holy Ghost, Who spoke by them [the sacred writers], did not intend to teach men these things—that is the essential nature of the things of the universe... [which principle] will apply to cognate sciences…"
     

    Providentissimus Deus also states that Scripture does not give scientific explanations and many of its texts use “figurative language” or expressions “commonly used at the time”, still used today “even by the most eminent men of science” (like the word “sunrise”). Such expressions are not scientific teachings about the cosmic world.

    So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium, the Society of St. Pius X holds fast to these principles: no more and no less.



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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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  • From the apologetics work Radio Replies volume 4 (Vol 4 : 1,650 questions and answers on Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Paganism and Communism from the radio information session over the 13 years from 1941 to 1954.)

    459. Has the Copernican system been accepted by all astronomers?

    As opposed to the geocentric system of Ptolemy, Copernicus taught the heliocentric system, holding that the earth revolves around the sun. He arrived at that idea as a result of his studies of the movements of the sun and moon and planets which he undertook in the interests of reforming the calendar. And his conclusion has been accepted by all astronomers. No one today would dream of disputing it.


    Incredible!  Hard to believe such a good work as Radio Replies would put forth such a scandalously erroneous answer as they clearly do above.  I checked it out for myself at http://www.radioreplies.info/site-search.php?q=copernicus&db=4 and sure enough Radio Replies Volume 4 published in 1954 does indeed state the above!

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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  • Incredible!  Hard to believe such a good work as Radio Replies would put forth such a scandalously erroneous answer as they clearly do above.  I checked it out for myself at http://www.radioreplies.info/site-search.php?q=copernicus&db=4 and sure enough Radio Replies Volume 4 published in 1954 does indeed state the above!

    It's hard to believe how the entire Catholic world collapsed into Modernism in dramatic fashion during Vatican II also.  These types of things are signs of the seeds that were planted everywhere already well before Vatican II.  While exterally robust, there was already a rot that ran deep among the faithful.  Whatever you think of Father Feeney, if you look at what actually happened, it wasn't until later that Father Feeney started to hold his famous opinion about Baptism of Desire.  What was under dispute is all the people around him who OUTRIGHT rejected the dogma that there's no salvation outside the Church, with one verbatim denial after another, including from his chief adversary, Cardinal Cushing:  "No salvation outside the Church?  Nonsense.  Nobody's gonna tell me that Christ came to die for any select group."  (I'm guessing this "nobody" includes the Holy Catholic Church and three dogmatic declarations.  This man was echoing Wojtyla about 30 years ahead of time.)  Some of the statements made by Father Feeney's Jesuit superiors were just shameless heresy, without even the slightest attempt to say, "Well, yes, we believe that there's no salvation outside the Church, but what the dogma really means is ..."  Nope.  It was shamelss, "We don't believe EENS."  In fact, after Father's "excommunication," the headlines from the New York times were along the lines of "Catholic Church Rejects That There's No Salvation Outside the Church".

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    Re: Eternal Hell by Fr. Francois Chazal, mcspx
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  • As declared by Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus, science cannot contradict the Faith:

    Even today, many commonly-held tenets of natural science are merely theories, not certainties. This is not the case with the Catholic Faith, which is a certainty.

    The Church’s magisterium authoritatively teaches on the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture. As Pope Pius XII taught in Divino Afflatu Spiritu:

    Providentissimus Deus also states that Scripture does not give scientific explanations and many of its texts use “figurative language” or expressions “commonly used at the time”, still used today “even by the most eminent men of science” (like the word “sunrise”). Such expressions are not scientific teachings about the cosmic world.

    So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium, the Society of St. Pius X holds fast to these principles: no more and no less.

    Nothing has been so badly abused as Pope Leo XIII's Encyclical Providentissimus Deus.  While the Sacred Scriptures did not have as the direct object of their Revelations matters of natural science PER SE, they nevertheless did reveal many such things PER ACCIDENS.  Same thing can be said of history.  As St. Robert discussed, even if such things were not infallible ex parte objecti, as the subject matter of science and history cannot be objects of "faith" per se, they are nevertheless infallible and inerrant ex parte dicentis ... because of He Who authored the texts.  This is why Galileo's theories were condemned as heresy.  How can science be heresy?  Because to contradict Sacred Scripture impugns the inerrancy of God Himself, the Holy Spirit, Who authored the Sacred Scriptures.'

    This is just repackaged Modernism from SSPX, and Father Paul Robinson's book takes it to the next level.  I recall back in my day, in the early 1990s, there was one seminarian who said he believed in evolution, and everyone to a man was stunned at that.  Now I'm sure you're considered a freak if you don't believe in the Big Bang, and especially if you're a geocentrist, and heaven forbid if you believe in a "Young Earth" or even that human beings have been around only for about 6,000 years.  Flat Earthers would get immediately expelled, even though they claim here that this has nothing to do with the faith ... just like Bishop Williamson was expelled for expressing an opinion about a historical (or non-historical) event.  So they speak out of both sides of their mouth.

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  • just like Bishop Williamson was expelled for expressing an opinion about a historical (or non-historical) event. 
    Any mention on CI as to whether or not Bp. W is a FE or GE?