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Offline LaramieHirsch

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EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
« on: Yesterday at 09:30:52 PM »
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    • According to E. Michael Jones on Facebook today, he said this:


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    "This statement from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith is a recipe for failure.

    "Tucho's earlier statement on Medjugorje was a scandalous dereliction of his duty as the Church's guardian of doctrine. But beyond that his current statement misunderstands the issue with the SSPX, which is schism, which is based on lack of charity, not heresy.

    "Talking with the SSPX is a waste of time. I discovered this when I tried to persuade Bishop Williamson to sign the letter he had received from Rome which would have ended the schism, if he had accepted Vatican II in light of tradition, which, he admitted, Archbishop Lefebvre would have done.

    "Tucho needs to clarify the situation by stating clearly that the problem is schism and that schism is based on lack of charity, and that no discussion of doctrine will ever replace the charity that is needed for salvation.

    "The pope needs to state clearly that the SSPX is outside of the Church, that there is no salvation outside of the Church, and if anyone remains in the SSPX he is placing the eternal salvation of his soul at risk. He also needs to state clearly that the Tridentine Mass is the gateway to the SSPX and an exit ramp from the Church."

    Latin Mass is a gateway and an exit ramp from Catholicism. There you go. What do ya think of that, gang?

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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 10:10:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on Yesterday at 09:30:52 PM
    According to E. Michael Jones on Facebook today, he said this:


    Latin Mass is a gateway and an exit ramp from Catholicism. There you go. What do ya think of that, gang?
    Pretty sure he's a judaizer. Also he denies race and Catholic teaching on healthy racism.
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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 10:35:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on Yesterday at 10:10:36 PM
    Pretty sure he's a judaizer. Also he denies race and Catholic teaching on healthy racism.

    I deny "racism" exists unless someone defines it specifically. It's too nebulous and slippery a term. I refuse to use it (or have it used) without explicitly defining it.

    I sometimes use the term "race realism".

    The ridiculous thing is, burning a cross in someone's yard, vandalism, assault, etc. ARE ALREADY CRIMES. Who cares why you did it?  If you beat someone up because he was in your parking spot, is that somehow better or worse than beating up someone because he was from a race you didn't like? What difference does it make? It's a crime either way.

    People act like there's especial malice if you attack someone because he represents a given race or people. No, I'm pretty sure the sin is equivalent to beating him up for any other reason.

    The whole concept of a hate crime is ludicrous and an insult to a jellybean's intelligence.
    So if I'm not beating him up for race/sɛҳuąƖ orientation/religion/etc. than what is it, a love crime?

    See what I mean? It's ridiculous.
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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 10:38:18 PM »
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    • E Michael Jones is no hero or good guy. His words against holy Catholic Tradition show this quite clearly for all to see.
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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 11:37:13 PM »
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    • "I tried to persuade Bishop Williamson to sign the letter he had received from Rome which would have ended the schism"

    Did you mention the intelligence of a jellybean, Matthew?

    Poor man.
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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #5 on: Today at 07:40:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on Yesterday at 09:30:52 PM
    Latin Mass is a gateway and an exit ramp from Catholicism. There you go. What do ya think of that, gang?

    Imagine that.  The normative Mass of the Church up until 1965 now becomes an avenue for leaving the Church, one assumes, even for adherents to the FSSP, ICKSP, et al.

    EMJ is putting on awfully big shoes.
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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #6 on: Today at 07:42:11 AM »
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    • EMJ says SSPX is in schism. Rome says if SSPX goes forward with episcopal consecrations it is an act of schism. Does that mean they will be in double extra schism? 
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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #7 on: Today at 10:15:18 AM »
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    The pope needs to state clearly that the SSPX is outside of the Church, that there is no salvation outside of the Church, and if anyone remains in the SSPX he is placing the eternal salvation of his soul at risk. He also needs to state clearly that the Tridentine Mass is the gateway to the SSPX and an exit ramp from the Church."

    The sinister irony here is that Dr. Jones does not actually even believe that there is no salvation outside of the Church

    He here is in his article on the death of +Williamson:

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    [E]xtra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Latin phrase means that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, and it was first formulated by St. Cyprian, not to speculate about the fate of those who through no fault of their own could not know Christ, but as a warning for the schismatics and heretics of their day who thought their ultra-pure sects were better than the Church which spawned them

    https://culturewars.com/news/rip-bishop-williamson-extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus


    And in an exchange with Thomas J. Nash from 2005:

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    Mr. Nash’s discussion of invincible ignorance is beside the point here. It applies to those who don’t know of the coming of Christ as the Messiah. These people can be saved if they follow the moral law.

    https://culturewars.com/news/invincible-ignorance


    So Dr. Jones believes that practically anyone can potentially be saved, save for actual Catholics such as those who reject V2 and the Novus Ordo

    To his credit, Dr. Jones does not extend "invincible ignorance" to the Jews, and he says that they cannot be saved without converting..but converting to what, exactly?Because, remember, Jones believes actual Catholics cannot be saved :popcorn:


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    Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
    « Reply #8 on: Today at 11:49:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 10:15:18 AM
    So Dr. Jones believes that practically anyone can potentially be saved, save for actual Catholics such as those who reject V2 and the Novus Ordo

    To his credit, Dr. Jones does not extend "invincible ignorance" to the Jews, and he says that they cannot be saved without converting..but converting to what, exactly?Because, remember, Jones believes actual Catholics cannot be saved :popcorn:

    With all due respect to Mr. Jones, he is an ass clown. :clown:
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