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Author Topic: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church  (Read 1438 times)

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Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2026, 07:40:14 AM »
Latin Mass is a gateway and an exit ramp from Catholicism. There you go. What do ya think of that, gang?

Imagine that.  The normative Mass of the Church up until 1965 now becomes an avenue for leaving the Church, one assumes, even for adherents to the FSSP, ICKSP, et al.

EMJ is putting on awfully big shoes.

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Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2026, 07:42:11 AM »
EMJ says SSPX is in schism. Rome says if SSPX goes forward with episcopal consecrations it is an act of schism. Does that mean they will be in double extra schism? 


Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2026, 10:15:18 AM »
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The pope needs to state clearly that the SSPX is outside of the Church, that there is no salvation outside of the Church, and if anyone remains in the SSPX he is placing the eternal salvation of his soul at risk. He also needs to state clearly that the Tridentine Mass is the gateway to the SSPX and an exit ramp from the Church."

The sinister irony here is that Dr. Jones does not actually even believe that there is no salvation outside of the Church

He here is in his article on the death of +Williamson:

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[E]xtra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Latin phrase means that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, and it was first formulated by St. Cyprian, not to speculate about the fate of those who through no fault of their own could not know Christ, but as a warning for the schismatics and heretics of their day who thought their ultra-pure sects were better than the Church which spawned them

https://culturewars.com/news/rip-bishop-williamson-extra-ecclesiam-nulla-salus


And in an exchange with Thomas J. Nash from 2005:

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Mr. Nash’s discussion of invincible ignorance is beside the point here. It applies to those who don’t know of the coming of Christ as the Messiah. These people can be saved if they follow the moral law.

https://culturewars.com/news/invincible-ignorance


So Dr. Jones believes that practically anyone can potentially be saved, save for actual Catholics such as those who reject V2 and the Novus Ordo

To his credit, Dr. Jones does not extend "invincible ignorance" to the Jews, and he says that they cannot be saved without converting..but converting to what, exactly?Because, remember, Jones believes actual Catholics cannot be saved :popcorn:



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Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2026, 11:49:42 AM »
So Dr. Jones believes that practically anyone can potentially be saved, save for actual Catholics such as those who reject V2 and the Novus Ordo

To his credit, Dr. Jones does not extend "invincible ignorance" to the Jews, and he says that they cannot be saved without converting..but converting to what, exactly?Because, remember, Jones believes actual Catholics cannot be saved :popcorn:

With all due respect to Mr. Jones, he is an ass clown. :clown:

Re: EMJ: Latin Mass is gateway to leaving the Church
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2026, 12:53:14 PM »
With all due respect to Mr. Jones, he is an ass clown. :clown:
Yeah, and with this:

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the Tridentine Mass is the gateway to the SSPX and an exit ramp from the Church.

you're pretty much forced to conclude that whatever church he is a member of is NOT the Catholic Church. The Mass is an exit ramp from the Church? What Church is that Dr. Jones??