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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Eleison Comments Worldwide Warning July 9 A.D. 2022
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2022, 01:06:31 PM »
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  • Those are very interesting questions, Sean, but the condemnation of the work precedes Cdl. Ottaviani's tenure as Secretary of the Holy Office.
    (There was a thread where many of the details were examined, but I think it was deleted in the purge of XavierSem works.)

    I did find this still extant though:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/what-should-we-make-of-the-book-the-poem-of-the-man-god-by-maria-valtorta/msg485944/#msg485944

    Last advice : Rather than read these novels where errors abound, it would be better to read Holy Scripture with good commentary based on the Fathers of the Church3, or even good lives of the saints4.
    (From Le Sel de la terre, n° 7)

    • These references correspond to the edition published at that time in Italian.
    • Retreat preached in september 1986, fourth instruction. Father Emily cites, at the end of his work, a part of this testimony, as well as an extract of a letter of Archbishop Lefebvre which goes along the same lines.
    • For example, The Great life of Jesus Christ, by Ludolphe le Chartreux or the commentaries of Bossuet.
    • The lives of the Saints, except in the case of a bad biography, make us remain in the real rather than depart into the imaginary, as is the case of these “visions” . The lives of Saints have what is needed to nourish the imagination, the heart and the intelligence of all Christians, even the most simple. Even today, one can find good illustrated lives of the saints.

    Hello Emile-

    Thanks for the helpful quotes, but please don’t misunderstand: I am no defender and/or advocate of the Poem.

    I just wasn’t convinced that a blind Ottavianni in office for 3 weeks surrounded by enemies was sufficient proof-positive of the value of said condemnation (eg., kind of like how some people question how much involvement Pius XII really has with regard to some of the things done under his pontificate).

    I’m perfectly content to accept Avrille’s position on the Poem, and have for years.

    One thing I might question is whether some of the outrage generated every time +Williamson hands his enemies a club to beat him with, is whether it is overdone for partisan purposes (eg., Note the stark contrast in +Lefebvre’s response to Fr. Barielle at Econe, vs that of some today with regard to +Williamson).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Eleison Comments Worldwide Warning July 9 A.D. 2022
    « Reply #16 on: July 09, 2022, 01:20:04 PM »
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  • Re: Garabandal.....Whatever happened to the expected miracle of the return of Joey Lomangino's sight...before he died....who died and never had his sight restored?

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Eleison Comments Worldwide Warning July 9 A.D. 2022
    « Reply #17 on: July 09, 2022, 01:23:13 PM »
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  • Whatever happened to the expected miracle of the return of Joey Lomangino's sight...before he died....who died and never had his sight restored?

    Is this to me?

    If so, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    If it’s something in the Poem, and it is directed to me, then I’m really confused, since I’ve never read it, and do not defend it.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Eleison Comments Worldwide Warning July 9 A.D. 2022
    « Reply #18 on: July 09, 2022, 01:31:52 PM »
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  • Is this to me?

    If so, I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    If it’s something in the Poem, and it is directed to me, then I’m really confused, since I’ve never read it, and do not defend it.
    No, it's about Garabandal.  I'll edit the other post.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Eleison Comments Worldwide Warning July 9 A.D. 2022
    « Reply #19 on: July 09, 2022, 01:49:34 PM »
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    The book was placed on the Forbidden index by "Pope" John XXlll in 1960. Take that as you wish.
    Not certain how to take it.  In fact, I'm not sure why Roncalli took the name of an earlier antipope.  Are you?


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    Re: Eleison Comments Worldwide Warning July 9 A.D. 2022
    « Reply #20 on: July 09, 2022, 02:10:43 PM »
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  • Re: Garabandal.....Whatever happened to the expected miracle of the return of Joey Lomangino's sight...before he died....who died and never had his sight restored?
    Yeah- there are a lot of questions here. Joey said that Padre Pio told him he would have his sight returned before he died- sigh. 
    I was really into this apparition 30 years ago- in fact I kept a clean credit card available so when the miracle was to be announced, I would be able to travel to witness it ( in Garabandal) .Supposedly everyone who is present in Garabandal and physically witnesses the miracle will/would be healed.