Author Topic: Eleison Comments - Vigano Letter (no. 583) (Read 787 times)

Matthew · « **on:** September 15, 2018, 01:28:25 PM »

Number DLXXXIII (583)

September 15, 2018

Viganò Letter
Loosening doctrine straight undoes behaviour.
Catholic doctrine alone has the true Saviour.
A reader wrote in with a few questions on the 11-page letter of the former Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, Archbishop Viganò, which declared with a wealth of details, and quoting names, that there is immense moral corruption rotting the Catholic clergy in the USA, and that the responsibility for the crimes involved reaches to the very top of the Church. At the time of writing these “Comments,” the scandal caused by the letter is immense, and it is having widespread repercussions. Nobody can tell right now what the ultimate fallout will be. Here are the reader’s four questions with brief answers –
1 What is to be thought of the Viganò letter? Is it as serious as it looks?
Yes, because Archbishop Viganò gives all indications of being an honest man. In 2011 he was exiled from Rome and sent to the USA because he was making a successful attempt to clean up Vatican finances. At the time of writing he is in hiding because he is in fear for his life. He has serious enemies.
2 Will the letter be a bombshell in the Church, or a mere fire-cracker, with no lasting consequences?
Time must tell. Certainly the corruption high in the Church is matched by the corruption high among the powers-that-be in the world, politicians, bankers, media and so on. Satan rules, because satanists are linked with one another in all domains, and they are not going to allow one mere Archbishop to upset their apple-cart, if they can help it. In fact it is God who holds the whip-hand. Are people turning back to Him, or not? If not, He will allow the servants of Satan to continue whipping Church and world into the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. If they are turning back to Him, we will have before long the Consecration of Russia.
3 Will the scandal make Menzingen think again about seeking recognition from the Pope and Rome?
It certainly should do so, but I fear it may not. For many years now, Society headquarters in Menzingen have been in the clouds, and liberals do not change their doctrine. For liberals, it is reality that is in the wrong. At all costs official recognition for the Society must be obtained from Rome, and so Pope Francis must still be treated as a friend. Maybe Menzingen can admit that they have been wrong for 20 years, but it will not be easy for them to change course. Archbishop Lefebvre on the contrary decided 30 years ago to let the Conciliar Popes go their way. He would not have been at all surprised by the Viganò letter.
4 What made the Archbishop so clear-sighted?
Doctrine. Scratch many a materialistic Westerner of today and you find an heir of Protestantism who tends to strain out a gnat and swallow a camel (Mt. XXIII, 24), meaning that he is more severe on sins of the flesh than on sins of the spirit, such as doctrinal error, or heresy. Now sins of the flesh are serious enough to contribute to the eternal damnation of a huge number of the souls that fall into Hell – so said Our Lady to the children of Fatima. But it is heresy which opens the way to these sins. See Romans I, 21 to 31. Breaking the First Commandment leads to impurity in general (21–24), to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in particular (26–27), and to all kinds of other sins in general (28–32). In other words it is the First Commandment which is the first, and not the Sixth.
Thus the real scandal being denounced by Archbishop Viganò is implicit rather than explicit. It is less the perverse sins of the flesh running riot in high-up churchmen than the official idolatry committed by Vatican II in its docuмents, which did more than anything else to take off the Catholic brakes on immorality. If no State should coerce doctrinally false religions in public ( Dignitatis Humanae), why should I have to observe Catholic morals which put special limits on my liberty? If Hell is a mere “doctrine” of the Church, why should it stop me from sinning how I like? Vatican II ( Nostra Aetate, Unitatis Redintegratio) declared that several religions beside Catholicism have their points. Was this not the Catholic Church itself teaching me that I do not really need to be Catholic?
Kyrie eleison.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2018, 01:31:15 PM »

A lot of wisdom in this EC, as usual.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2018, 01:41:14 PM »

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2018, 02:15:56 PM »

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What made the Archbishop so clear-sighted?
Doctrine. Scratch many a materialistic Westerner of today and you find an heir of Protestantism who tends to strain out a gnat and swallow a camel (Mt. XXIII, 24), meaning that he is more severe on sins of the flesh than on sins of the spirit, such as doctrinal error, or heresy. Now sins of the flesh are serious enough to contribute to the eternal damnation of a huge number of the souls that fall into Hell – so said Our Lady to the children of Fatima. But it is heresy which opens the way to these sins. See Romans I, 21 to 31. Breaking the First Commandment leads to impurity in general (21–24), to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in particular (26–27), and to all kinds of other sins in general (28–32). In other words it is the First Commandment which is the first, and not the Sixth.
Thus the real scandal being denounced by Archbishop Viganò is implicit rather than explicit. It is less the perverse sins of the flesh running riot in high-up churchmen than the official idolatry committed by Vatican II in its docuмents, which did more than anything else to take off the Catholic brakes on immorality. If no State should coerce doctrinally false religions in public ( Dignitatis Humanae), why should I have to observe Catholic morals which put special limits on my liberty? If Hell is a mere “doctrine” of the Church, why should it stop me from sinning how I like? Vatican II ( Nostra Aetate, Unitatis Redintegratio) declared that several religions beside Catholicism have their points. Was this not the Catholic Church itself teaching me that I do not really need to be Catholic?

Vigano is talking about sodomites and ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the Vatican, it has nothing to do with the secular world, it is about the Vatican II church priests from the bottom to the top, from an assistant priest to the pope. The world is another matter.

One loses all sense of doctrine, the faith, by their sins, not the other way around. Our wisdom and understanding comes from God, when man sins as heinously as these reprobate popes, cardinals, bishops and priests have sinned, God's Grace departs from them and they become as blind as any pagan.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2018, 03:00:26 PM »

People see things differently from different perspectives, which is a good thing.

For example, I think it has much to do with the secular world; this is what bothers me the most.
The Church that Jesus Christ founded has a mission for the entire world. Although I do not believe Vatican II is This Church, THE WORLD for the most part does.

Vatican II and all its evil is a bad example for the world, actually, any man-made religion is a bad example, and that is exactly what Vatican II IS. MAN MADE.

I cringe when I read or hear your average person saying Catholics are Satanic or similar words because of the behavior of the so-called Francis, who himself does not like the title "pope." He prefers to be known as the bishop of Rome. (getting off point, sorry)

Why would anyone searching for truth, has done the research and discovered the Apostles were Catholic, now looking toward the Catholic church to convert; today and seeing all this garbage, why would they want to convert?

Yes, I know you will say, they must pray, "Seek and you will Find." However, not everyone has this grace at the beginning of their search and they give up. This is why I believe this crisis is soon coming to an end. What comes next ...? PRAY THOSE 15 DECADES OF THE ROSARY, sooner than later.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2018, 03:02:13 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM on September 15, 2018, 01:41:14 PM

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Michael Matt asks a question at 29:30, "What can we do?" Then he pretends to answer his own question.
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Pretends to.
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But his answer is wanting.
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He seems to talk tough in this video. Seems to.
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In the past, he has directed or has allowed others using his newspaper to direct this manner of rhetoric against a good priest.
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Maybe you didn't know that.
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Therefore he is complicit in the problem. He has attacked Tradition with his "The Rmenant Newspaper."
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Consequently, for his answer to be genuine, he would have to repent of his prior abuse of a good priest.
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He needs to repent of having smeared the good reputation of a TLM priest who suffered under Newchurch and Paul VI.
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Do you think that's about to happen? I can't imagine any reason for it to happen.
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Matt has never acknowledged his crime or his failure to do the right thing in this regard, why should he start now?
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He seems to think that Francis et. al. have a lot of reparation to do for their misdeeds.
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Well, Michael Matt has some reparation to do as well, and its high time he start, to show he means what he says.
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It's easy to point the finger of blame at someone else.
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But what you do when it's pointed at YOU, says a lot about what you are, and what you're made of.
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His answer in 29:40 would be immensely improved were he to own up to his own calumnies against a good priest.
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He needs to make public acknowledgement of his nefarious attacks against a good priest, attacks without cause.
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He needs to do public penance for his longstanding contribution to the unjust assault against a good priest.
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He needs to make compensation for the damage that he helped Newchurch to inflict by attacking a good priest.
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That's what HE can do, and saying so would make his answer in 29:40 a LOT more genuine.

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