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Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
« on: May 26, 2018, 08:16:41 PM »
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  • Number DLXVII (567)
    May 26, 2018
    Totalitarian Abortion
    Can Brexit shield from foreigners England’s shores,
    When England kills its own, with never a pause?

    It is possible to give too much importance to the fight against abortion insofar as it is only natural life that is being defended, and not supernatural life. All things being equal, the same time and effort would be better spent on defending by whatever means the life of grace than on defending the unborn life of nature, but in today’s society all things are not equal. Above all, there is so little faith left in our godless world, that to talk of the supernatural with most people today is like talking to them Greek – “God, Heaven, Hell, eternity – what on earth are you talking about?” But if people today have a shred of decency left in them, they can still conceive what a crime it is to turn the sanctuary of life, a mother’s womb, into a prison of death. Therefore God bless Catholics who do what they can to hinder abortion.
    But they are up against the totalitarian State of England today. An anti-abortion campaigner of many years’ standing writes that a new technique of “pavement counselling,” which engages more directly with women coming for an abortion, has provoked a draconian reaction from the System in place, no doubt because it has been effective, at least in the short term. In the first PSPO (Public Space Protection Order) of its kind in the country, the local Council has voted to confine the anti-abortionists to a grass area 100 metres from the abortuary, where they are not to number more than four, they are not allowed to display posters larger than A3 size, they are not to mention abortion, baby, mum, foetus, soul, kill, hell or murder, they are not to display any images, play amplified music or voices, shout messages relating to abortion, or even pray aloud. These restrictions came into force on April 23 and could be applied both more widely by this local Council, and also by others. Fines for defying the restrictions could run up to £1,000.
    What can one say? Engl and is committing ѕυιcιdє. Possibly the local Council chose to enforce the restrictions on April 23 because that is St George’s Day, when England celebrates its patron Saint, as though to protect abortion is an act of patriotism, or love of country! But what is more anti-natural for a woman than to destroy the fruit of her own womb, or more anti-social for a man than to encourage her to do so? How far must a woman have gone down the road of self-destruction to consent to the literal murder of her motherhood, the main purpose of her existence next after the saving of her own soul. “Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with modesty,” says Scripture (I Tim. II, 15), which is the Word not of a supposed misogynist, but of God.
    True to form, Shakespeare has seized on the essence of woman’s self-destruction in a few lines which he puts in the mouth of Lady Macbeth (Act 1, Scene 5) as she steels herself to push her husband to murder Duncan, his king, cousin and friend, even while Duncan will also be a guest under Macbeth’s roof. In terrifying words she calls on devils to rip out of her all feminine tenderness and compassion:—
    “. . . . Come, you spirits
    That tend on mortal thoughts! Unsex me here
    And fill me from the crown to the toe top full
    Of direst cruelty, make thick my blood,
    Stop up the access and passage to remorse,
    That no compunctious visitings of nature
    Shake my fell purpose, nor keep peace between
    The effect and it! Come to my woman’s breasts,
    And take my milk for gall, you murdering ministers . . .”
    She proceeds to overwhelm Macbeth’s scruples, and he murders Duncan, the first of many more victims.
    Readers, please pray for England, once the Dowry of Mary and still the object of Her motherly care.
    Kyrie eleison.
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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2018, 02:14:01 AM »
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  • Intentionally or unintentionally, HE opens with a theological question to ponder:

    "It is possible to give too much importance to the fight against abortion insofar as it is only natural life that is being defended, and not supernatural life. All things being equal, the same time and effort would be better spent on defending by whatever means the life of grace than on defending the unborn life of nature,..."

    Therefore, if "Baptism of Desire" provides a soul with the necessary sanctifying grace, could not the anti-abortion campaigners standing on the sidewalk, simply desire that the unborn babies be baptized before their abortions? 

    Would desiring this grace for the unborn waiting in queue in the murder-clinics, be the same as the parents or other Baptismal sponsors providing a helpless baby with a water Baptism?

    Think that this Baptism extrapolation is joke?  The answer is "No".

    For it is quite consistent with Bp. Fellay's theological proposal (San Franciso, Jan 2016) that the blood spilled in an abortion, is the same as an unbaptized soul's martyrdom via "Baptism of Blood".
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2018, 08:02:11 AM »
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  • Incredulous....

    My initial reaction to the quote you focused on is that abortion isn't a natural life issue.  It is a supernatural life issue because these babies have not been baptized.  Is that what Bishop Williamson is talking about here?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2018, 11:35:55 AM »
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  • Incredulous....

    My initial reaction to the quote you focused on is that abortion isn't a natural life issue.  It is a supernatural life issue because these babies have not been baptized.  Is that what Bishop Williamson is talking about here?
    I think that quote isolated is suggesting that the act of abortion is only a natural issue.  Leaving baptism aside, it seems to me that if it is at its core only a natural life issue, then it would become a supernatural life issue when legalized and subsidized by the government.  Not only that, but "on the mouths of infants of babes God has perfected praise" suggests that it is may be more than a natural life issue.  

    There may also be drawn a distinction between a baby who has not yet been weaned, and one that has; along with a distinction being between a child who communicates with words and one that yet does not(communicates rather with cries and goo goo gaga).  And, I say all of this in favor of the potential supernatural nature of the life of a newly born baby as opposed to it only being a natural life.  Because, we know that just because a child does not have the use of reason(reason attained by age 7), does not mean they cannot go to hell.  If that were the case, we would not have such cause as we do for infant baptism.  However, Christmas is not a major liturgical feast because of the three kings, or the shepherds, or the nativity scene, or the injustice of being turned out of the inn.  Christmas is a major liturgical feast because Christ is newly born.  So, there may be something entirely sacred about a newly born baby(as opposed to a weaned and speaking pre age of reason un baptized child).

    If it is only a supernatural life issue because of subsidy by the government, then we may be better off protesting that rather than the act of abortion itself.  However, we may be better off in general protesting the subsidy over the act.  Because, in all likelihood, when you get rid of the subsidy, you get rid of the act along with it.  You nail two birds with one stone.  That seems smarter to me.  If they are going to regulate catholics activities at abortion mills, move the opposition to the government steps.  That is probably where we will have the most success ending the act anyway.

    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #4 on: May 28, 2018, 12:05:17 PM »
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  • Intentionally or unintentionally, HE opens with a theological question to ponder:

    "It is possible to give too much importance to the fight against abortion insofar as it is only natural life that is being defended, and not supernatural life. All things being equal, the same time and effort would be better spent on defending by whatever means the life of grace than on defending the unborn life of nature,..."

    Therefore, if "Baptism of Desire" provides a soul with the necessary sanctifying grace, could not the anti-abortion campaigners standing on the sidewalk, simply desire that the unborn babies be baptized before their abortions?  

    Would desiring this grace for the unborn waiting in queue in the murder-clinics, be the same as the parents or other Baptismal sponsors providing a helpless baby with a water Baptism?

    Think that this Baptism extrapolation is joke?  The answer is "No".

    For it is quite consistent with Bp. Fellay's theological proposal (San Franciso, Jan 2016) that the blood spilled in an abortion, is the same as an unbaptized soul's martyrdom via "Baptism of Blood".
    Objectively, each aborted baby is being denied the opportunity of the life of grace, the supernatural life, so it indeed a matter of supernatural import.
    Baptism of desire is a theological speculation and has no place or power when applied to this situation, Bishop Fellay's statement is rhetorically interesting but not accurate in reality.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #5 on: May 28, 2018, 01:10:25 PM »
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  • JPaul - I sort of played along with the natural idea conversation at hand in my previous post.  However, I will be honest, I really do not see how this is not a supernatural concern.  I do think we can be much more effective against abortion besides posting up outside of an abortion mill.  But, that is another discussion.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #6 on: May 28, 2018, 02:42:12 PM »
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  • JPaul - I sort of played along with the natural idea conversation at hand in my previous post.  However, I will be honest, I really do not see how this is not a supernatural concern.  I do think we can be much more effective against abortion besides posting up outside of an abortion mill.  But, that is another discussion.  
    There is indeed a much deeper meaning to the growth of child killing in our time. Viewed from the position that it is the ritual murder of innocent children and for the power which this gives to those who practice and organize it, it is a way by which the natural world can be used to influence the super natural realm. 
    In short, it is an illicit use of magic. There is greater power which is to be derived by the blood of the pure and the uncorrupted.
    A much too broad of a discussion for a one page commentary.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #7 on: May 28, 2018, 03:26:41 PM »
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  • There is indeed a much deeper meaning to the growth of child killing in our time. Viewed from the position that it is the ritual murder of innocent children and for the power which this gives to those who practice and organize it, it is a way by which the natural world can be used to influence the super natural realm.
    In short, it is an illicit use of magic. There is greater power which is to be derived by the blood of the pure and the uncorrupted.
    A much too broad of a discussion for a one page commentary.
    I have thought about this before.  There is an unholy trinity occurring regarding all that is relevant to abortion, and all three can be identified by their first initial which is the same.  The evil women relishes all three.  Most sinful women relish only in part. 
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #8 on: May 29, 2018, 08:50:38 AM »
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  • It is just one more way for women to dispose of their feminine functions and become parties to the elimination of gender in  society. This process is underway in the West with the children of immigrants filling the vacuum. Further down the line the elimination of the European family, turning us all into ageng singletons, will provide our social engineers with scope for some radical experiments in the area of genetics, socialising and robotics. That all this is happening without barely a squeak from religious institutions is further proof of their redundancy.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
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  • It is just one more way for women to dispose of their feminine functions and become parties to the elimination of gender in  society.

    And the men who support these women are just thrilled for the free sex they get with absolutely no commitment or responsibilities. What a perverse and wicked generation this is.

    Promiscuity of women is what really behind of the so called "rights" of women; but no one really talks about this.

    "Stop listening to women or we die", I heard someone say recently.

    I am a woman; but as time passes and I observe this crumbling civilization, I realize that this is disturbingly true.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
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  • And the men who support these women are just thrilled for the free sex they get with absolutely no commitment or responsibilities. What a perverse and wicked generation this is.

    Promiscuity of women is what really behind of the so called "rights" of women; but no one really talks about this.

    "Stop listening to women or we die", I heard someone say recently.

    I am a woman; but as time passes and I observe this crumbling civilization, I realize that this is disturbingly true.
    Women can thank the Jєωs for having "elevated" them  to the unnatural position and power that they enjoy.  They are simply a part of the organized efforts to remake the world and humanity in the grotesqueries of a Luciferian world and to refuse the Divine order of Jesus Christ.


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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
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  • Women can thank the Jєωs for having "elevated" them  to the unnatural position and power that they enjoy.

    Well...the Serpent always deceives women first. 

    It is his modum operandi.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #12 on: May 29, 2018, 11:39:22 AM »
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  • Therefore, if "Baptism of Desire" provides a soul with the necessary sanctifying grace, could not the anti-abortion campaigners standing on the sidewalk, simply desire that the unborn babies be baptized before their abortions?  

    Many of them have taken to trying precisely that.

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #13 on: May 30, 2018, 11:48:49 AM »
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  • I was reading ezekiel yesterday, and I a came across a great passage.  ezekiel 44.9

    Thus saith the Lord God: No stranger uncircuмcised in heart, and uncircuмcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, no stranger that is in the midst of the children of Israel.

    This suggests that not only is circuмcision in the flesh important, but circuмcision in the heart is important.  And, if circuмcision in heart is so important, why should we be surprised that God is merciful towards those who are circuмcised in heart, but not yet in the flesh, for one reason or another.  This is in my opinion another passage supporting baptism of desire, if we want to call it that.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: Eleison Comments - Totalitarian Abortion (no. 567)
    « Reply #14 on: May 30, 2018, 03:00:22 PM »
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  • There is indeed a much deeper meaning to the growth of child killing in our time. Viewed from the position that it is the ritual murder of innocent children and for the power which this gives to those who practice and organize it, it is a way by which the natural world can be used to influence the super natural realm.
    In short, it is an illicit use of magic. There is greater power which is to be derived by the blood of the pure and the un-corrupted.
    A much too broad of a discussion for a one page commentary.
    You've hit upon abortion's relationship to other demonic (magic) sacrificial acts.

    In the book, "Conquest of New Spain", written by the Spanish military officer, Bernal Diaz Del Castillo, he recorded comments from the Franciscan Friars who were in Cotez's expedition.

    The Friars evangelized the Catholic Faith and closely observed the Aztec religion.
    They believed it was taught to the Aztecs by Jєωs, who made it into the New World after their Dispora.

    The Franciscans noticed that Blood sacrifice was practiced by all of the tribes. 
    They had their own priesthood and demonic iconography, which was very similar from tribe to tribe.  It was too systematic.

    Like the Roe versus Wade abortion culture, the Indians were coached and instructed in this blood-sacrifice religion.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi